Madrugar's can't do that either, and to get more PG
(which they need) you have to give up slots that their tank is in. All they need to do is put the engineering skill back to where it used to be, so slightly nerfed: 3-5% PG per level.

I did misspeak, and will correct my post.

We all know there's quite an imbalance between Shield and Armor vehicles, the winner in all areas being armor. However, this is not a post about making it balanced, but simply a temporary measure until CCP has time to work on the imbalance.

The current issue for vehicles is the lack of powergrid. In a Gunnlogi, currently I have two of the best powergrid expansion units for 15% increase apiece in both of my lows and still don't have the pg to fit two heavy extenders and a heavy rep, even the supplemental ones which use less pg. I even did a theoretical fit, using the lowest pg a Tank can possibly use up (Standard missile turrets) plus the two pg extenders, currently with lvl 3 in Vehicle Core Upgrades, and I still cannot fit two extenders and a rep. I even left the other two high slots empty.

My request is simple. Vehicle Armor Plating gives a 3% decrease in pg consumption of armor plates. I request that Vehicle Shield Extension give a powergrid reduction as well in lieu of the current reduction to CPU it gives.

By no means am I saying this will fix all the imbalance between the two different tanks, nor will I repeat those arguments again here. But this is a quick fix until such time as vehicles get the proper attention they need. A little painkiller before the surgery as it were.

I think that changing the skill bonus shouldn't be that hard, since they stealth-changed vehicle engineering to the near-useless bonus it has now. But the fact that Armor can reach comparable, and even higher, raw hp and still fit the proper sized rep is ridiculous.

180mm Reinforced Nanofiber Plate:

Gives 2448 hp
Uses 20 CPU
Uses 928 powergrid

2 Heavy Supplemental Shield Extenders (stats are two combined)

Gives 3420 hp
Uses 120 CPU
Uses 1088 powergrid

In an hp to pg fraction, the armor gets ~2.64 hp per 1 pg. The 2 extenders get ~3.14 hp per pg. A difference of 0.5 hp per 1 pg, and that's before the pg reduction bonus. And that's a single plate versus 2 extenders, which means armor is using one less slot.
I'm not asking for the overhaul to happen right now. I understand such things take time. But armor has an acknowledged glitch rep, and while I agree with CCP's decision to keep it as it is to balance it against AV, at the least shield's should be able to fit the proper rep on their tanks.

You're sorta right, in reality Shield is meant for Long Range combat, where armor is more in your face, tank all the things, combat. Problem is that armor with a railgun basically negates that advantage for a shield tank.

An armored railgun is just begging to be blown to pieces by anti av though it maybe great as an anti tank build but it leaves you extremely vulanerable. Its pretty balanced Shield can tank AV armor tanks cant the only defense an armor tank has against AV is a blaster. You just have to play your cards right. If you see a railgun armor tank you have to ambush him from behind or else youre toast

You should be able to fit about 8k shield with a light rep and a missle/railgun blasters are just out of the question id also put 2 7% diagnostic pgs to increase your shield and passive repair even further. If the tank has a blaster you can take him down just avoid railgun tanks be more evasive spawn a lav and get to the other side of the map and call your tank in.

How about they in nerf the PG on all vehicles, that should probably help.

Interesting but these types of tweaks will not be effective. What you, OP, are missing is Data. As in, you have None. CCP/Shanghai has it but the API to share it with us is not released yet, like so many things that are in the SOON(hah!) bucket.

Without it you're just throwing darts.

The real problem is the Shield Tank was broken during Uprising. The Shield tank collision detection is broken and has been since way before Chromosome. For that matter, I suspect All Vehicle Shield collision detection is off by a significant amount and always has been. Just driving a Madruger around and even its tinker toy shields can disappear driving around a map. Something is definitely off.

I switched to Armor and haven't looked back. With SP being as expensive as it is down here in the DUST I seriously don't recommend skilling into broken gear. They adjusted something (speed?) for the Gunlogis and it contributed to making it not worth using under many circumstances, IMO. A Madruger is as effective for sniping. Although missiles might be great I cannot comment as I don't use Large Missile Turrets.

Don't forget they just hammered the heavy armor repair tool. Which I have yet to test, so your mileage may very on that as well. If they did as their post suggested in the bug fix then the advantage of Armor has been reduced. If it hasn't been fixed yet, then Armor will be less effective when it does get fixed.

Many things were broken when Uprising and its various patches were released. CCP/Shanghai has been grinding through their fixes, some we wanted and some we didn't, but it is still quite a long list. So patience would probably be the best suggestion here.

Clarity Ward Shield Booster
Azeotropic Shield Extender

Microcell Nanite Armor Hardener
180mm Reinforced Nanofibre Plates
Heavy IG-L Polarized Armor Regenerator
Local Power Diagnostic System
Photonic CPU Enhancer

no they need to return the shield tanks speed and put the PG back and the tanks will be what there we last build

I think you're misunderstanding what he's saying. He's asking that the Shield Extender skill give the same bonus as the Armor Plate skill.

Also, I think the OP mispoke and meant to say that Armor is the winner between the two tank types.

Yes, I understood that. Look at his fit. Notice that he's trying to put on 2 Large extenders. Gallente HAV's can't do that without 2 PG extenders, and you can forget about the heavy rep. But if you took the time to see that, and thought about it, yo would know that.

The point the OP is trying to make is that the Armor Tank can fit a Plate AND it's Nomral Sized Rep.. ie. Large / Heavy

The SHield Tank can EHP OR Rep, but not both.