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EMOLANO
G.U.T.Z
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:06:00 -
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 Hello, recently I was jgando couple of dust 514 in my spare time, and realized that facing an enemy with a mass driver is not a very good idea. Wanted to know the opnion of you, do you think this gun is a bit too strong? |
Rusty Sandstorm
Raven Accord
Black Core Alliance
7
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:08:00 -
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Frag rounds. |
Robocop Junior
The Surrogates Of War
99
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:08:00 -
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IT IS SO OVERPOWERED THAT I AM FEELING THE SPLASH DAMAGE WAY OVER HERE AND I AM NOT EVEN LOGGED INTO THE GAME HELP! |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
199
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:10:00 -
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godd@mit |
Paladin Sas
Pro Hic Immortalis
League of Infamy
136
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:11:00 -
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Caldari logis like to cry about getting oneshot by the MD because they cant comprehend the flux that smacked them first. |
First Prophet
Valor Company Incorporated
744
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:12:00 -
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Robocop Junior wrote:IT IS SO OVERPOWERED THAT I AM FEELING THE SPLASH DAMAGE WAY OVER HERE AND I AM NOT EVEN LOGGED INTO THE GAME HELP!
THERE'S SMOKE EVERYWHERE
HALP |
Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
955
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:15:00 -
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Yes.
inb4 Cosgar rains hellfire upon me.
jk they're fine. |
Aleksander Black
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:16:00 -
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EMOLANO wrote:Hello, recently I was jgando couple of dust 514 in my spare time, and realized that facing an enemy with a mass driver is not a very good idea. Wanted to know the opnion of you, do you think this gun is a bit too strong?
No. |
Derek Barnes
ZionTCD
361
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:23:00 -
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To me they arent OP, I run a proto amarr logi and die from them fast but not because they are OP but because I occasionally run into 2 guys running together with their 2 mass drivers. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
5219
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:23:00 -
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NO
It has high splash radius which is great advantage, but very low damage per second compared to an AR, even if all hits are direct hit, and even less DPS if its just splash damage (direct hits are rare). The fact the grenades travel in an arc, and travel slowly makes it require a degree of skill that other weapons do not. It is balanced.
Try using it yourself before complaining about it, and see how many kills you rack up compared to an AR of the same tier. |
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Ark Angel Clone-A
Fenrir's Wolves
RUST415
16
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:34:00 -
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in a way MD are not OP because you really are shooting grenades out of a gun so it seems logical that they would be this powerful |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
130
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:35:00 -
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Its a grenade launcher, be happy it doesnt do 400 damage like locus, on top of that anything kills easy and quick in cqc, at medium range getting hits with it requires movement tracking and judging trajectory, on top of all that it's a fking grenade launcher. No it's working as intended despite hating getting blown up with it. I do use it from time to time but with planetary conquest for my corp soon making it a situational weapon due to friendly fire I refrain from using it. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
RISE of LEGION
2892
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:37:00 -
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Paladin Sas wrote:Caldari logis like to cry about getting oneshot by the MD because they cant comprehend the flux that smacked them first.
I want a flux MD just for the variety, and the hate caldari users would give me. |
Paran Tadec
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
1261
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:39:00 -
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Its only 'OP' when 4 idiots chase you around a corner only to be met with a flux and then 2 MD rounds, wiping out all 4. |
The Loathing
The Southern Legion
195
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:40:00 -
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EMOLANO wrote:Hello, recently I was jgando couple of dust 514 in my spare time, and realized that facing an enemy with a mass driver is not a very good idea. Wanted to know the opnion of you, do you think this gun is a bit too strong?
No. |
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Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
207
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:42:00 -
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their fine your just gonna see more of them now that they can out shine the flaylock |
Cat Merc
BetaMax.
3680
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:44:00 -
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I wouldn't call it OP, just broken in a way.
Yeah, sure, you get less DPS, but I can't ******* see you from all the smoke everywhere.
Not to mention the fact that my frame rate drops from all the effects, and my screen flinches everytime you hit me.
I should at least be able to evade it.
Give the splash a proper fall off, so at 5m I get barely scratched from the damage. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
2778
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:44:00 -
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EMOLANO wrote:Hello, recently I was jgando couple of dust 514 in my spare time, and realized that facing an enemy with a mass driver is not a very good idea. Wanted to know the opnion of you, do you think this gun is a bit too strong?
I think it's just fine now. It used to suck. |
Aquinarius Zoltanus
0uter.Heaven
EoN.
218
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:49:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:I wouldn't call it OP, just broken in a way.
Yeah, sure, you get less DPS, but I can't ******* see you from all the smoke everywhere.
Not to mention the fact that my frame rate drops from all the effects, and my screen flinches everytime you hit me.
I should at least be able to evade it.
Give the splash a proper fall off, so at 5m I get barely scratched from the damage.
Of all the changes people have suggested for the MD, I think adding splash damage fall off is probably the best/most reasonable one I've heard. It is a little bit silly and counterintuitive that the damage is the same 1 inch away from the blast and 5 meters away from the blast. Unfortunately it seems like CCP might not have the technology to implement this kind of change at this time. But this is a change I could get behind. |
dday3six
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
147
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:54:00 -
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The only thing that might need to be looked into about the Mass Driver is number of rounds in the clip or reload speed. However it's nowhere near as big an issue as the pre-nerf Flaylock. First other suits, weapons and most importantly Armor needs to be balanced. After that point balance might need to be revisited on the MD, until then it's fine. |
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Spycrab Potato
Hold-Your-Fire
164
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Posted - 2013.08.01 02:08:00 -
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I have spent ~3 million SP in my Mass Driver to keep people like you QQing. Let me let you guys in a secret of how to combat a Mass Driver. Get above it or get far enough away that I won't be able to EASILY hit you. If you are in a group and you feel a round hit you. It should go through your THICK SKULL. TO GET OUT OF SAID GROUP. It is sad how many people I kill because they are next to 5 OTHER PEOPLE. |
Phantom Vaxer
The Generals
EoN.
70
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Posted - 2013.08.01 02:09:00 -
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The weapon isn't OP, its just easily spammable. Spam enough with minimal aim and you'll get the kill. If the other player can aim and shoot enough with either a Scrambler Rifle, Assault Rifle, or SMG |
Spycrab Potato
Hold-Your-Fire
164
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Posted - 2013.08.01 02:10:00 -
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Aquinarius Zoltanus wrote:Cat Merc wrote:I wouldn't call it OP, just broken in a way.
Yeah, sure, you get less DPS, but I can't ******* see you from all the smoke everywhere.
Not to mention the fact that my frame rate drops from all the effects, and my screen flinches everytime you hit me.
I should at least be able to evade it.
Give the splash a proper fall off, so at 5m I get barely scratched from the damage. Of all the changes people have suggested for the MD, I think adding splash damage fall off is probably the best/most reasonable one I've heard. It is a little bit silly and counterintuitive that the damage is the same 1 inch away from the blast and 5 meters away from the blast. Unfortunately it seems like CCP might not have the technology to implement this kind of change at this time. But this is a change I could get behind.
My fully spec'd mass driver only has a blast radius of 3.88. Without that specing it's blast radius is only 3. The assault variants have a blast radius of 5, with 5.88 by my skills. The splash damage is really only extremely devastating when people clump up. |
Spycrab Potato
Hold-Your-Fire
164
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Posted - 2013.08.01 02:12:00 -
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Phantom Vaxer wrote:The weapon isn't OP, its just easily spammable. Spam enough with minimal aim and you'll get the kill. If the other player can aim and shoot enough with either a Scrambler Rifle, Assault Rifle, or SMG
News flash. Only the mass drivers that don't know what they are doing spam at a 5m - 35m range. If they are that close it is much more beneficial to aim. |
stlcarlos989
SVER True Blood
434
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Posted - 2013.08.01 02:12:00 -
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Mass driver is fine it just needs to do extra damage to the user in CQC. The user should be punished for using an explosive weapon in close, if they don't have a sidearm for CQC they should end up killing themselves. |
XxWarlordxX97
187.
4330
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Posted - 2013.08.01 02:12:00 -
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EMOLANO wrote:Hello, recently I was jgando couple of dust 514 in my spare time, and realized that facing an enemy with a mass driver is not a very good idea. Wanted to know the opnion of you, do you think this gun is a bit too strong?
If MD is under power then the HMG is really Under power |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
2582
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Posted - 2013.08.01 02:13:00 -
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No.
Try using one before complaining. |
Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
984
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Posted - 2013.08.01 02:14:00 -
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An Assault Rifle has an easier time getting kills, is more versatile, can usually stretch its ammo farther, is ubiquitous on the battlefield and has less requirements.
So no, the Mass Driver is not overpowered. |
Brolaire of Asstoria
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
91
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Posted - 2013.08.01 02:15:00 -
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Mass Driver is fine as is...
As Carlos said if they know what they are doing only the Massholes spam
the weapon... |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
RISE of LEGION
2893
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Posted - 2013.08.01 02:18:00 -
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Spycrab Potato wrote:I have spent ~3 million SP in my Mass Driver to keep people like you QQing. Let me let you guys in a secret of how to combat a Mass Driver. Get above it or get far enough away that I won't be able to EASILY hit you. If you are in a group and you feel a round hit you. It should go through your THICK SKULL. TO GET OUT OF SAID GROUP. It is sad how many people I kill because they are next to 5 OTHER PEOPLE.
This, people have no right to complain when they clump up when fighting a AoE weapon. |
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XxWarlordxX97
187.
4330
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Posted - 2013.08.01 02:20:00 -
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Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:An Assault Rifle has an easier time getting kills, is more versatile, can usually stretch its ammo farther, is ubiquitous on the battlefield and has less requirements.
So no, the Mass Driver is not overpowered.
I don't have MD, and I can teach you how to use it |
XxWarlordxX97
187.
4330
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Posted - 2013.08.01 02:21:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:No.
Try using one before complaining.
Now I need to teach you too |
Skihids
Bullet Cluster
1794
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Posted - 2013.08.01 02:24:00 -
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What the hell?
Another nerf thread coming the day after the last whine fest?
Really people... |
Touchy McHealz
Vherokior Combat Logistics
Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2013.08.01 02:44:00 -
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I can understand some of the hate, even though I am a MD/Medic. It is only of the only weapons that is a no-revive kill immediatly from any shot.
Other than that, yeah .... I use it to supress so I can revive downed duders, or spam it out at the group of 6 clumped idiots trying to pop and shoot a corner. Really funny to get 3 kills and watch the bodies fly.
Like stated, get any elevation, be a PITA to aim at, or use the still OP AR to kill me first and your MD "problems" are over. Or ya know .... HTFU. |
Rugudorull Apophicyria
Supercalifragilisticexpialidocius
22
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Posted - 2013.08.01 02:46:00 -
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stlcarlos989 wrote:Mass driver is fine it just needs to do extra damage to the user in CQC. The user should be punished for using an explosive weapon in close, if they don't have a sidearm for CQC they should end up killing themselves.
I kill myself with the md all the time in cqc  Granted I exclusively use just the assault variants. I think it's the regular mds that perform better at cqc due to the smaller blast radius and higher damage. |
Killar-12
Molon Labe.
League of Infamy
358
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Posted - 2013.08.01 02:48:00 -
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Fix armor tanking then look at the MD. |
Unmei no Hoeru
Grupo de Asalto Chacal
CRONOS.
23
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Posted - 2013.08.01 03:43:00 -
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1st.- Try getting the high ground, and stay there
2nd.- Don't come too close, very few mass driver users have the fear of blowing themselves - as long as you die with them.
3rd.- In middle range, try making unpredictable moves as you close up your range even if it takes you more time, this goes for every weapon (especially the sniper)
4th.- If you see him raising his arm making a fist, unfortunately it's not going to throw you candy.
Shield tankers .- Don't get confident, people are starting to use the flux more often. Learn to avoid them
Armor tankers.- Pray to your god of preference, and hope CCP resolves that unbalance problem.
With those tips you could have a fair hand with your mindless AR against an average MD user.
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DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
875
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Posted - 2013.08.01 03:49:00 -
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The weapon is not a bit too strong at all, if anything it could use a buff.
Try using the MD and compare to using the AR, you will find it is much more difficult to get kills with in all areas (short, mid, and especially long range). The MD is good for getting mostly assists and annoying the hell out of the enemy players, but it certainly isn't OP. |
SERPENT-Adamapple
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
149
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Posted - 2013.08.01 03:52:00 -
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I'll tell you what isn't OP.
Plasma Cannon, which should have its name changed to potato launcher. |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
875
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Posted - 2013.08.01 04:29:00 -
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SERPENT-Adamapple wrote:I'll tell you what isn't OP.
Plasma Cannon, which should have its name changed to potato launcher.
Pro-tip: Use the plasma cannon for a few matches and get used to it's suckyness, then switch back to the MD and watch the bodies fly.
I did this last night and I would almost believe the MD got a major buff. People were actually getting hit with splash damage, and the hit-detection actually works!
Almost seemed too easy in comparison, which should say a thing or two about the PC, cause the mass driver isn't exactly up to par either. |
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Criteria Shipment
Baynaer Space Command
The Ditanian Alliance
26
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Posted - 2013.08.01 04:35:00 -
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If you nerf the mass drivers... |
Repe Susi
Rautaleijona
Top Men.
542
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Posted - 2013.08.01 05:09:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:The weapon is not a bit too strong at all, if anything it could use a buff.
Try using the MD and compare to using the AR, you will find it is much more difficult to get kills with in all areas (short, mid, and especially long range). The MD is good for getting mostly assists and annoying the hell out of the enemy players, but it certainly isn't OP.
This, this and this.
It is extremely effective on disorienting enemies but to get kills with it... |
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