DUST Search - Vehicle to Infantry reps (Charybdis/Limbus)

Poplo Furuya wrote:

Can I propose a potential hybrid? AoE lock-on that latches onto everyone within 15-25m of the vehicle when triggered. Leeway of about 40m once beam is connected. Will continue transfer/repair for 3 seconds after beam is broken. Will only give up on automatically trying to regain lock after 10 seconds of the channel being broken.

Figures are mostly just to convey a sense of it. I think the feature should be intuitive, useful and give leeway for the squad to disperse a little and react to changing conditions without compromising the lock, also giving the LLAV a bit more freedom of movement.

Also, WPs. LLAVs being true logibros would be awesome and they should be rewarded WPs for being awesome.

If it becomes so great that everyone wants to run with an LLAV, that's brilliant. If it's useful on the PC level you could get some interesting dynamics and strategies emerging. If it becomes recognised as a boon to the average pub player, wonderful. Wouldn't it be amazing if a LLAV turning up naturally becomes something for a team to rally around, if LLAVs became a common part of a ground force's composition? I am all for them becoming incredibly good at what they do.

Think about it. It's a first step in making the infantry and vehicle game much more closely linked. Infantry force rallies around LLAV. LLAV acts as force multiplier. Taking out LLAV becomes priority for the other side, emphasising AV. The infantry surrounding it and being protected by the LLAV must then in turn protect it, singling out the enemy AV. Congratulations, strong symbiotic relationship between vehicle and infantry achieved.

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Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2270	Posted - 2013.07.30 20:51:00 - [1] - Quote Todays discussion, Vehicle to Infantry Repair/Transporters, these are found on the Limbus (Armor Repair) or Charybdis (Shield Transporter) Right now, I find them quite intolerable, I mean the entire function is very annoying trying to get the things in place. When trying to run them I have to ask my squad to stop so I can lock on to them, meaning they're more likely to get killed because they're standing still. I'd like to discuss two options with these repairs, and I'd really like some feedback. Note, GM/CCP guys, this isn't a feedback thread, this is feedback for my eventual feedback thread, so it's a discussion and belongs in this forum, kthx. Option 1: Logistic Bubble When the module is activated, a bubble is created around the Logistics LAV, everyone inside the Bubble receives Armor or Shields depending on the vehicle. For this to work, I'd suggest the following: - Large Spherical radius - Reduced running time - Shorter Cooldown - Reduced HP (Not by much) per second - Not able to go through objects such as buildings. Option 2: Redesign the current system When the module is activated, you're able to lock on to infantry and when ready, you must hit the trigger and begin the repairs. This is what it is currently, and needs a rework, the following suggestions: - Reduced lock on timer - Keep the Camera in the same place, rather than resetting to the default position every time you lock on to each player. - Allow beam to travel through walls (Most of the time, the rep is useless as it cuts out when someone goes past a lamppost or runs on bumpy terrain - Same cooldown, running time and healing per second Additionally, some things need to be added overall to make being a logistical support vehicle worthwhile. - Guardian Points, Armor or Shield repping, this should be basic for these vehicles, 35 points for Guardian like a repair tool. - Scan Assist, Running scans should give 5 Points per kill. So, discuss pls?
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2270	Posted - 2013.07.30 21:02:00 - [2] - Quote Edit: Updated some things, seems all good, now pls discuss :D Edit2: Nobody wants to discuss :( I'm going to carry on running you scrubs over till I can be a good Support Vehicle.
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 299	Posted - 2013.07.30 21:16:00 - [3] - Quote logi bubble
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2271	Posted - 2013.07.30 21:29:00 - [4] - Quote Seriously needs to be discussed, we've got all these whining little mugs crying about how strong the LLAV is, and when theres a way to make them useful without running people over, nobody responds, I'm sick of the infantry scrubs in this game. I just sat in a match trying to play support, it was ******* awful, and in the end I died faster than I would if I had just gone around the match lolstomping everyone.
General John Ripper The Generals EoN. 1963	Posted - 2013.07.30 21:41:00 - [5] - Quote They need to add a splat sound effect for everytime you run someone over. Throw in that "ahh my leg!!!! " guy from spongebob too.
cedz636 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 28	Posted - 2013.07.30 21:44:00 - [6] - Quote I like the bubble / radius idea. Think nano hives.
broonfondle majikthies P.O.N.A.G.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 66	Posted - 2013.07.30 21:45:00 - [7] - Quote General John Ripper wrote: They need to add a splat sound effect for everytime you run someone over. Throw in that "ahh my leg!!!! " guy from spongebob too. NOOOO the famous Star Wars (Wilhelm) scream
Aizen Intiki Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 296	Posted - 2013.07.30 21:48:00 - [8] - Quote Or auto-lock feature, that locks onto the nearest squadmates first, then anyone else around. you get a max of 5 locks. same for everything else.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2067	Posted - 2013.07.30 21:48:00 - [9] - Quote Definitely needs to be AoE
Cyrius Li-Moody The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 493	Posted - 2013.07.30 21:52:00 - [10] - Quote Bubble is a great idea. A big ol' moving nanohive. However, this should be limited to squads and not teams.

Vin Vicious Capital Acquisitions LLC 196	Posted - 2013.07.30 21:54:00 - [11] - Quote I agree with the AOE, currently it's impossible to rep more than one person(max is 3) you lock on to one guy than it sling shot back to you. And don't get me started on it breaking locks, the only way to hold a lock is to jump out of the car while it reps, and trying to rep anyone beside you or behind you, we'll just forget that **** This idea doesn't fix vehicle remote reps though
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 416	Posted - 2013.07.30 21:54:00 - [12] - Quote Bubble? InB4LogiPope?
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 2867	Posted - 2013.07.30 21:56:00 - [13] - Quote The bubble/radius idea is the best, been pushing it for a while.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1007	Posted - 2013.07.30 21:57:00 - [14] - Quote i like the bubble idea, not sure how much that would take on dev level to actually make it happen but i see option 2 being the easier option for the devs do till the bubble idea is fully tested and comes out. that is what i see happening if anything.
CoD isAIDS Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 90	Posted - 2013.07.30 22:25:00 - [15] - Quote I fully agree that the whole remote system needs a complete overhaul. I also think it should be like a bubble as well.
Telleth DUST University Ivy League 86	Posted - 2013.07.30 22:29:00 - [16] - Quote +1 for the bubble idea, but I would be happy with any rework to make it effective.
Poplo Furuya Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 510	Posted - 2013.07.30 22:45:00 - [17] - Quote Can I propose a potential hybrid? AoE lock-on that latches onto everyone within 15-25m of the vehicle when triggered. Leeway of about 40m once beam is connected. Will continue transfer/repair for 3 seconds after beam is broken. Will only give up on automatically trying to regain lock after 10 seconds of the channel being broken. Figures are mostly just to convey a sense of it. I think the feature should be intuitive, useful and give leeway for the squad to disperse a little and react to changing conditions without compromising the lock, also giving the LLAV a bit more freedom of movement. Also, WPs. LLAVs being true logibros would be awesome and they should be rewarded WPs for being awesome.
Xender17 Intrepidus XI EoN. 405	Posted - 2013.07.30 22:55:00 - [18] - Quote I want to use my tank to heal vehicles and infantry... But it just wastes slots and drastically reduces my survivability. :/
broonfondle majikthies P.O.N.A.G.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 66	Posted - 2013.07.30 23:03:00 - [19] - Quote If the bubble idea is not feasible I suggest making the lock on reticle much wider and drastically reducing the lock time
Harpyja DUST University Ivy League 409	Posted - 2013.07.30 23:08:00 - [20] - Quote The bubble would be best. It would be no different than a repair nanohive, but more powerful due to it being a vehicle module.

Nin Ker Red Star Jr. EoN. 44	Posted - 2013.07.30 23:16:00 - [21] - Quote It's a good idea, but so much would need to change before this was introduced. If it came in now an already near indestructible vehicle like the Charybdis would be ridiculously over powered.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 2531	Posted - 2013.07.31 00:05:00 - [22] - Quote Another thing that needs to really be looked at is the cooldown. Either let us re-lock rather than cancelling the module, or significantly reduce the cooldown.
CoD isAIDS Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 93	Posted - 2013.07.31 00:09:00 - [23] - Quote Poplo Furuya wrote: Can I propose a potential hybrid? AoE lock-on that latches onto everyone within 15-25m of the vehicle when triggered. Leeway of about 40m once beam is connected. Will continue transfer/repair for 3 seconds after beam is broken. Will only give up on automatically trying to regain lock after 10 seconds of the channel being broken. Figures are mostly just to convey a sense of it. I think the feature should be intuitive, useful and give leeway for the squad to disperse a little and react to changing conditions without compromising the lock, also giving the LLAV a bit more freedom of movement. Also, WPs. LLAVs being true logibros would be awesome and they should be rewarded WPs for being awesome. If it becomes so great that everyone wants to run with an LLAV, that's brilliant. If it's useful on the PC level you could get some interesting dynamics and strategies emerging. If it becomes recognised as a boon to the average pub player, wonderful. Wouldn't it be amazing if a LLAV turning up naturally becomes something for a team to rally around, if LLAVs became a common part of a ground force's composition? I am all for them becoming incredibly good at what they do. Think about it. It's a first step in making the infantry and vehicle game much more closely linked. Infantry force rallies around LLAV. LLAV acts as force multiplier. Taking out LLAV becomes priority for the other side, emphasising AV. The infantry surrounding it and being protected by the LLAV must then in turn protect it, singling out the enemy AV. Congratulations, strong symbiotic relationship between vehicle and infantry achieved. You're now one of my favorite forum-goers.
CoD isAIDS Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 93	Posted - 2013.07.31 00:10:00 - [24] - Quote Nin Ker wrote: It's a good idea, but so much would need to change before this was introduced. If it came in now an already near indestructible vehicle like the Charybdis would be ridiculously over powered. Heaven forbid a Charybdis should run with support, because then you can't solo it. It's a LOGISTICS vehicle. It's SUPPOSED to HELP people. That in turn causes people to follow/support it. You don't like it, Activision will be glad to take your money.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2292	Posted - 2013.07.31 00:18:00 - [25] - Quote Nin Ker wrote: It's a good idea, but so much would need to change before this was introduced. If it came in now an already near indestructible vehicle like the Charybdis would be ridiculously over powered. I'm a firm believer that Logistic Vehicles should be hench, as long as there are measures in place to make it so it's very difficult to run people over and iirc there is a 50% reduction on the turret damage output. Anything weaker and they'll never be used on the front line, ever.
Jessica Montoya Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. Interstellar Conquest Enterprises 21	Posted - 2013.07.31 00:41:00 - [26] - Quote I like option one. :)
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2301	Posted - 2013.07.31 14:28:00 - [27] - Quote Bumping, I'm open to hearing changes on the options I've presented, they're just general outlines of course.
Oso Peresoso RisingSuns 437	Posted - 2013.07.31 14:30:00 - [28] - Quote The LLAV concept doesn't even make sense. You put it on a jeep, then the jeep has to stay still... and within range.. Or just drive very slowly... it doesn't make sense.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2301	Posted - 2013.07.31 14:35:00 - [29] - Quote Oso Peresoso wrote: The LLAV concept doesn't even make sense. You put it on a jeep, then the jeep has to stay still... and within range.. Or just drive very slowly... it doesn't make sense. Eh it would make sense if the driver couldn't be shot out :P I still believe there should be a Logistic Support Medium Vehicle, that is slow but strong, and offers driver protection. Then it makes sense, it's a support vehicle, with sensors and repairs available as well as Troop Transport.
Bendtner92 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 826	Posted - 2013.07.31 14:40:00 - [30] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Eh it would make sense if the driver couldn't be shot out :P I still believe there should be a Logistic Support Medium Vehicle, that is slow but strong, and offers driver protection. Then it makes sense, it's a support vehicle, with sensors and repairs available as well as Troop Transport. I'm pretty sure that's what the MAV is for, as I'm sure there will be a LMAV variant for that as well. All LAVs, including the LLAV, should be very fragile. Of course the LLAV should have slightly higher health/resist than the others, but right now it's just dumb. High health + high resist = bad.

Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2302	Posted - 2013.07.31 14:43:00 - [31] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Eh it would make sense if the driver couldn't be shot out :P I still believe there should be a Logistic Support Medium Vehicle, that is slow but strong, and offers driver protection. Then it makes sense, it's a support vehicle, with sensors and repairs available as well as Troop Transport. I'm pretty sure that's what the MAV is for, as I'm sure there will be a LMAV variant for that as well. All LAVs, including the LLAV, should be very fragile. Of course the LLAV should have slightly higher health/resist than the others, but right now it's just dumb. High health + high resist = bad. Well thats what I mean, when the MAV comes along it needs the Logistic variant, but then the LLAV will become obsolete, why bother with it? If the LAV is meant to be a vehicle for assaulting but very weak, there shouldn't be a logistics variant.
TunRa The Vanguardians 18	Posted - 2013.07.31 14:43:00 - [32] - Quote The ability to lock on to multiple targets would be great.
Bendtner92 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 826	Posted - 2013.07.31 14:49:00 - [33] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Well thats what I mean, when the MAV comes along it needs the Logistic variant, but then the LLAV will become obsolete, why bother with it? If the LAV is meant to be a vehicle for assaulting but very weak, there shouldn't be a logistics variant. There would still be different uses for each kind. The LMAV would be for supporting a single tank or squad, while the LLAV could easier support in different areas since it can get around fairly quickly. It's just what you prefer or need in a given situation. I'm just saying the LLAV is not for sitting still behind something for ages. If there's AV up ahead it should be used as a short time support tool and then it should get out of there before it's killed. If there's no AV around, it can sit still behind something supporting, but only if there's no AV. Edit: But we still need better support tools of course. Right now the LLAV can't really do any support at all
Gorra Snell BetaMax. 65	Posted - 2013.07.31 14:52:00 - [34] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: All LAVs, including the LLAV, should be very fragile. Of course the LLAV should have slightly higher health/resist than the others, but right now it's just dumb. High health + high resist = bad. If people actually start using the LLAVs to rep teammates, they'll become the top priority target for the entire opposing team. They could probably use a little eHP nerf, but if you make them much easier to kill AND make one of the fixes this thread is proposing, they'd just be useless/wastes of ISK in a different way. On the main topic, I'd much prefer an activated bubble. Driving and activating modules is enough...even if you incrementally improve the activate->lock-on to x targets->activate process, it's still a big, multistep process, and that doesn't work well in a fast-paced game like an FPS...particularly when you need to be able to switch your focus from the repping task back to the 'running away from AV' task at a moment's notice.
sixteensixty4 Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 48	Posted - 2013.07.31 15:00:00 - [35] - Quote Ive been using my LLAV to do logi things Locking onto moving infantry, well, even stood still ones takes to long and is a pita, I agree, some kinda hive bubble would be much better Also would be sweet to drive around dishing out ammo, or even have some kind of dropsuit swapout thing (like supply depot) as depots always getting blown up Not really having a issue locking onto tanks, and you can distance yourself quite far from tanks while healingh to avoid running into each other, bubble would have to be "big" to get the same distance Do we not get guardian points? i swear i've got some healing tanks..... (could be trippin tho)
broonfondle majikthies P.O.N.A.G.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 71	Posted - 2013.07.31 15:32:00 - [36] - Quote sixteensixty4 wrote: Ive been using my LLAV to do logi things Locking onto moving infantry, well, even stood still ones takes to long and is a pita, I agree, some kinda hive bubble would be much better Also would be sweet to drive around dishing out ammo, or even have some kind of dropsuit swapout thing (like supply depot) as depots always getting blown up Not really having a issue locking onto tanks, and you can distance yourself quite far from tanks while healingh to avoid running into each other, bubble would have to be "big" to get the same distance Do we not get guardian points? i swear i've got some healing tanks..... (could be trippin tho) I got the guardian bonus too (maybe I'm high too)
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 765	Posted - 2013.07.31 15:36:00 - [37] - Quote Option 1 is best Eazy to do and useful
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2305	Posted - 2013.07.31 15:37:00 - [38] - Quote sixteensixty4 wrote: Ive been using my LLAV to do logi things Locking onto moving infantry, well, even stood still ones takes to long and is a pita, I agree, some kinda hive bubble would be much better Also would be sweet to drive around dishing out ammo, or even have some kind of dropsuit swapout thing (like supply depot) as depots always getting blown up Not really having a issue locking onto tanks, and you can distance yourself quite far from tanks while healingh to avoid running into each other, bubble would have to be "big" to get the same distance Do we not get guardian points? i swear i've got some healing tanks..... (could be trippin tho) I'd keep the lock on for vehicles, it works pretty well considering you only need to lock on once and they're quite large, but Infantry you can multiple lock on and they're small guys, takes forever to get your squad ready to move. Supply Depot Module would be awesome, maybe if you had a limited amount of nanites for Ammo replenishment? Would balance it out nicely for the extra WP coming in. We don't get guardian points as shield reppers, but I've been told that if you're repping armor you get points (Don't know if thats the Infantry Rep or Vehicle Rep, forgot to ask Popa)
sixteensixty4 Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 48	Posted - 2013.07.31 15:51:00 - [39] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: I'd keep the lock on for vehicles, it works pretty well considering you only need to lock on once and they're quite large, but Infantry you can multiple lock on and they're small guys, takes forever to get your squad ready to move. Supply Depot Module would be awesome, maybe if you had a limited amount of nanites for Ammo replenishment? Would balance it out nicely for the extra WP coming in. We don't get guardian points as shield reppers, but I've been told that if you're repping armor you get points (Don't know if thats the Infantry Rep or Vehicle Rep, forgot to ask Popa) Yeah, i find the infantry lock on horrid, and more trouble than its worth at the moment Regarding war points, im like 95% sure i got guardian with my shield repper on one of tanks, maybe it was a amour tank , if they the only tank out, i will buff there shields for them
The dark cloud Intara Direct Action Caldari State 1802	Posted - 2013.07.31 16:17:00 - [40] - Quote yeh the bubble would actually make more sense. CCP should just make a bigger nanhive effect on that LAV when the module gets active. It works with triage nanohives so why shouldnt that work out? But yeah i agree with jason pearson keep the lock on feature for the vehicle to vehicle repairs. make the bubble effect on vehicle to infantry.



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