Sounds like some really solid ideas right there.
Though i would say does the remote explosive skills also count for proximity explosives ??
And the "focused beam" skill for upgrading range of repair tools should probably be more like 1-2 meters as with 3 meters you would be able be able to make a core repair tool rep out to 25 meters which is over 100 HP/s at 25 meters ..... but numbers they can always be fine tuned

Also fitting optimization skill as far as i remember the optimization skill for all the weapons only give lowers the amount of PG and not CPU.

BUt otherwise nice ideas +1

I'm liking this idea more than changing all the logi bonuses to be equipment specific. Last thing I want is for my hacking bonus to be tied to a repair tool I barely use.

Clarifications and explanations:



As of this moment weapons have 2 skills that help reduce the cost of fitting them. The first their initial skill Light weaponry, heavy weaponry etc, and secod their fitting optimization skill. Since there exist no such skill for equipment, my proposal was to make a skill that fills these two optimizations but at a 1% less than the individual skill for a total of a 10% reduction to total fitting.

Ahh yes baah i totally forgot about the fact that light weaponry skill gives you a what 3% reduction CPU or something like that.
I've actually been fighting for all skills to have some kind of effect tied to them like i think all skills have in eve. Meaning that like the basic fram skill won't just unlock next tier of suits but it'll also grant something like 1% more armor to the suit per level or something like that

We should definitely have lower CPU tied to the respective equipment skills !!!

Ahh yes baah i totally forgot about the fact that light weaponry skill gives you a what 3% reduction CPU or something like that.
I've actually been fighting for all skills to have some kind of effect tied to them like i think all skills have in eve. Meaning that like the basic fram skill won't just unlock next tier of suits but it'll also grant something like 1% more armor to the suit per level or something like that

We should definitely have lower CPU tied to the respective equipment skills !!!

What if all logis had an inherent CPU/PG reduction bonus for equipment, but it wasn't as effective as the Gallente? Keep all the suit bonuses we have now but just a 3rd static bonus just for using the suit, like -10% CPU/PG reduction.

The +1 explosives carried seems a bit much, maybe +1 explosive active instead. This would give little benefit to non-logi using explosives, but let logi restock from a nanohive they carried to place more of them. That should be enough to avoid R.E. spam yet give clever logi players some tricks to use.

The skill tree for equipment is great idea. It makes sense for it to be as deep as the weapon trees.

Most of the bonus should be percentage instead of set values. The bonus ideas look good for most part otherwise.

The +1 explosives carried seems a bit much, maybe +1 explosive active instead. This would give little benefit to non-logi using explosives, but let logi restock from a nanohive they carried to place more of them. That should be enough to avoid R.E. spam yet give clever logi players some tricks to use.

I already have a love hate for this idea. Love the concept of making equipment use more of a role (aka a real logi), but holy crappie what a sp sinkhole. Minded it would be useful sinkness, but my suit already requires a ton of extra SP than any other.

The problem with percentages is that the bonuses are minimal. As we have it in the weapon tree there are skills that do absolutely noting for the weapon. CCP just added carpet bonuses to fill in the gaps. We can see ow that they are starting to implement "set bonuses" because percentages does not work for certain things; like say repair distance on repair tools which would give an extra 1 to 2 meters max; not enough to want to skill into it making it a dead skill.

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Some cool ideas here. I hope CCP has a look at these ideas and at least implement some of it. I just hope the skills aren't too expensive SP-wise lol. I already had to spend a huge shitload on equipment skills as a Gallente logi but I'm willing to spend a little more as long as the bonuses are good.

Many of the skills would be great. I think the skills affecting deployables once deployed might be an issue though from a network / client standpoint. That'd mean every time you'd come into range of a nano-hive the client would have to query the hive and see who dropped and what particular skill level they have and then recalculate it's resupply accordingly. I'm not saying it's a bad idea or anything, just that it could have problems. Just look at the uplink spam issue we seem to have on many maps. Imagine every time you spawned in another query would have to be done for each and every uplink on the screen.

I don't necessarily agree with all the "proficiencies" you've listed, however, I do like the overall idea

Good ideas I like them.

What I would change in your proposal though would be the bonuses. Instead of static bonuses they should be proportional like the rest of the bonuses in the game.

This means that all you equipment gets the same amount better rather than your militia equipment doubling in power were your proto is barely affected.

For example,
Instead of +2 armour repair rate you should have +5% armour repair rate.

Bump because I want to keep my hacking bonus.

A few thoughts to address some issues raised by posters in the thread.

optimization skills: Yes, please and thank you. This could, if done right, even fix the lackluster status of the Gal skill bonus, if the raw fittings reductions were both additive/free of stacking penalties a fully skilled Gal logi would have a great deal more flex while still being able to run 100% top shelf equipment, and that's kind of the point of the bonus isn't it?

Repair tool proficiency & Beam focusing: Convert both of these to % values which will grant the same raw total numbers for mid range repair tools while giving a bit more to proto and a bit less to militia. This preserves proper risk v reward scaling within the line.

Nanocircuitry proficiency: Change this to a bonus to total nano clusters, this will reduce the possible tech overhead as the cluster count in a hive is already tracked and the new value can be set with a one time check upon deployment thus costing the client no more resources than at present.

Nanite overloading: Honestly I think it should be effectiveness not a raw buff. The problem with giving all injectors an additional +x% rahter than giving them an additional x% to their baseline efficiency is that is favors low meta loading of gear by breaking balance scaling within the line. Why run an advanced injector when you can run a BPO injector and revive someone with only 5% less total armor? when looking at the increased fittings and ISK cost it puts the risk v reward paradigm in question here. If the bonus is to effectiveness however it will naturally scale with the meta of the gear thus avoiding any damage to the risk v reward balance of the line.

Drop Uplink proficiency: I really like this one, honestly I think I like it a little too much. A 25% reduction in spawn time would put militia level uplinks at a higher level of function than even some of the current prototype uplinks with regards to spawn time. I would suggest dropping it to a 3% per level bonus for testing, that's still substantual allowing a character with max levels to get nearly proto level performance out of a militia uplink but at the 3% level it's no longer exceeding the best gear in the game which I think is important.
drop uplink stabilization: Convert to a % base to preserve scaling, as per the explanations above.

active scanners - I can't comment on the actual values listed as I lack sufficient testing background with the scanners to do so, but the concept for the skills seems sound enough.

remote explosives: These seem in keeping with other weapon skill trees in game, regardless of which slot they fit into on the dropsuit I see no reason not to use the current standards.

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I agree with the changes from a standard +x to a +x% so the bonuses increase depending on the better gear. Specifically to repair rates and repair distance.

A second note: The base suggestions of 2,3,5% seem to be standard in the game and I am wondering if that is why you have chosen them. Many of these modifiers are on the worthless skill that were put in as placeholders on weapons and what not. So I would not immediately agree to their use. For example the skill that decreases the pg of an assualt rifle uses the same bonuses but really has no effect until the 4th level. For that reason these percentages should be looked at again. A noticeable bonus at the first and subsequent levels is required in my opinion. Lets not do it just because that is what has been written - what would make a real difference and bonus to the equipment? Lets not be modest or hold back, what is thought to be a real and beneficial bonus to the role - it will be nerfed and adjusted by the developers anyway if it is broke.

Give me a 5%/lvl to cpu/pg most suits suffer greatly because of these costs
10%/lvl on repair range or about 2 meters a level
10%/lvl repair rate - if it is going to be a sp sink make it worth it. For some tools that only an extra 3hp per rep - and at its best there is about +15 - 20 maxed out on most models (to infantry)

Go through your lists again and build some real numbers. I like the idea - one I have been touting myself - but have not made a thread on it. No that you have lets get some real numbers and see the differences that you suggestions would create.

There will be push back, but this is the kind of bonuses that could be useful in a support role. I like this more than the suggested suit overhauls.

Great and logical input. A few thing in mind though; militia and standard drop uplinks even with a 25% time reduction cannot get up to proto status which all have a carpet 50% reduction to spawn time, except for the imperial flux which has a 63% reduction in spawn time. Thats why those where my original numbers but at 3% per level nothing can go wrong and you still get quite a nice boost, while not making them overpowered, so thanks for the idea.

I agree with the other parts of your input about percentages on total value and not added untop of what they already have. Whatever makes the game balanced and doesnt destabalize the clients performance.

As per scanners, these are just super slow in their recharge time. A 10% increase will help scanners scan more times per minute spent scanning giving a better position of the enemy at faster intervals. This will be very necessary when they take away our power to share enemy locations on the tacnet when we see them.

The 10% to scanner distance is also a very necessary thing. When an assault rifle can peck at you from 80 to 90 meters, the need to scan farther than 100 meters while still keeping the width of the scan will make strd variations of the scanner much more usefull and the flux variant a treasure trove of information for going about the squads next move.


Thanks everyone for the excellent feedback and I appreciate your support in this topic. ALL LOGI'S UNITE