So as I read the forums, I constantly see threads claiming that we need respecs, that respecs will save the game, that respecs are harmless, that CCP is stupid to not have them, and so on. This thread is meant to, in the simplest way possible, show you why you're wrong.

1. They're harmless!

No, they're not. As you can clearly see, as soon as CCP touches something in a way that reduces effectiveness in any way, shape, or form, people cry respec. Why? People don't like to see their effectiveness reduced, so now they want to move on to something else. Users of buffed equipment, oddly enough, remain silent.

2a. It's money!

It's pay to win, which CCP is trying to avoid.

2b. It's not pay to win!

Except it is. Let's take the Caldari Logi nerf as an example. CCP is nerfing them. The Cal-Logi players now want a respec because it's not as effective anymore. The only reason these people want a respec is so that they can drop the not-so-OP equipment and dump everything into the next flavor of the month. If we have aurum respecs, we would see people with a credit card always using the FotM setups because they can afford it, while those who can't are left behind, forced to live with their decisions.

Let's look at it this way too. Everyone knows of the Core Flaylock by now. Let's pretend that the upcoming nerf to them is actually how they've been all along. Let's pretend that the new upcoming stats for this weapon have actually been in place since the flaylocks were released, and they're actually getting buffed to their current state. How many people would buy a respec so they could go stomping around the battlefield with a flaylock primary and completely obliterate those who only had enough SP saved for, say, Flaylock 2 or 3?

3. But they messed with my stuff!

Not one item in this game will be left in its current state. Every single item will eventually be reworked, for better or worse. Take a look at Eve Online. CCP is performing what they call "Tiericide" on all of their ships (reworking stats, slot counts, bonuses, etc.). Not one ship is escaping this massive iteration. Please visit the Eve Online forums and see how the Eve players are handling watching the results of their SP investments being changed. The funniest part? They continue to rebalance these ships even after they get their tiericide rework.

4. They added new stuff!

Cool. Now everyone gets to start on an even playing field, save those who planned ahead and rightfully deserve to reap the rewards of foresight.

5. It's why the game is dying!

Books could be written about why the Dust player count isn't very high, and respecs might get a one sentence honorable mention, if even that. Bugs, lack of content, little / no Eve interaction, among multitudes of other things, is why the player is remaining stagnant, not because you can't get your instant gratification.

6. Not everyone skills FotM!

I know that not everyone's intent is to become OP and boost K/D ratios out the derp. These few people with good intenions, however, make up the minority. Even if these people made up a vast majority, they'd still get completely beat down by the FotM chasers.

7. You're a CCP fanboi!

Problem? :trollface:

Will nothing sway you?!

Sure! There are times when respecs are fully warranted, such as when CCP reworked the entire skill tree into the node system we have now. The upcoming vehicle iteration may also be a candidate for a partial respec, since its goal is to completely change the role and effectiveness of every vehicle on the battlefield, and will also affect AV equipment as well (since you can't balance a role without looking at its counter). I won't be butthurt if it doesn't happen, and I won't be jumping for joy if it does.

Feel free to litter my beautiful thread with you incomprehensible word vomit. I'll mull it over and verbally berate you in the original post.

TL;DR - Pick an underlined topic, read the response.

CCP needs a complete wipe is what it needs.

OP: I completely and unequivocally disagree

I agree for the most part. I would consider at least a partial respec to be warranted for when the rest of the Racial Variants of Dropsuits and vehicles are added to the game.

As far as completely new things like MTACS and FIGHTER JETS, I consider this type of thing as an expansion, which would not warrant a respec. I would say that these types of expansions should not be added until all Racial Variants are complete and can be added as one package.

4. is kinda bs what about those sad heavy puppies what about the PUPPIES

You need to look at it this way:

The elite are elite not because they exploit the system. They are elite because they live, they breathe, they eat, and they **** this game all day long, every second, it's in their blood, it's how they are, it's what makes them elite.

You see, when you look at LIFE (this reality) the world you live in, and compare it to this game (a small model of the real world) you realize that no matter how many laws come up, solutions, etc the elite always stay on top. THEY ALWAYS FIND WAYS AROUND THINGS.

To remove respeks does nothing but **** the 90% off, why? cuz the 90% play this game casually and are more affected, the elite just sit there and laugh cuz they will find a way, they willlllllllllllllll get around things.

In the end u realize it's a never ending battle between the makers of the game and the 10%. Everyone else is just along for the ride.

You need to look at it this way:

The elite are elite not because they exploit the system. They are elite because they live, they breathe, they eat, and they **** this game all day long, every second, it's in their blood, it's how they are, it's what makes them elite.

You see, when you look at LIFE (this reality) the world you live in, and compare it to this game (a small model of the real world) you realize that no matter how many laws come up, solutions, etc the elite always stay on top. THEY ALWAYS FIND WAYS AROUND THINGS.

To remove respeks does nothing but **** the 90% off, why? cuz the 90% play this game casually and are more affected, the elite just sit there and laugh cuz they will find a way, they willlllllllllllllll get around things.

In the end u realize it's a never ending battle between the makers of the game and the 10%. Everyone else is just along for the ride.

It works out fine in other games.
Simmer.

That's in part because they are other games.

Most other games are never going to have a player driven market that is dependant on player behavior to change gradually over time so that the market spread sheet guys cant actually react to changes in the demand segment.

Allowing regular respecs would be akin to a complete market crash every single time the player base at large uses respecs to suddenly change up all their fits and all the items needed for it along with that. "Terry Trader" won't invest billions of ISK into building a supply chain to maximize production quantities, ensure proper transport and lower production cost to be competitive in the market if all the items he is producing might be completely irrelevant the very next day.

The future market will be completely dependant on a dust without respecs. Introduce them and CCP might aswell scrap all plans to to allow large scale production of Dust items, making the most important eve dust connection a useless and broken feature before it even arrived.

Now you have to kill a kitten. Or a pig, since this time you were the one to make a respec thread.

But will Dust last until one day, sometime, we don't know whenGäó, when the player driven market might be introduced?

As true as this is, I've stopped the slaughter of kittens about a week ago. My dearest friend Sammy Whiskers was euthanized several days after going into diabetic shock while suffering from a ruptured ear drum, frequent ear infections, earmites, and inner ear tumors. It doesn't feel right to continue to make these posts.

We miss you buddy :c

The only reason these people want a respec is so that they can drop the not-so-OP equipment and dump everything into the next flavor of the month.

You do realize that you just said that CCP is incapable of balancing this game ever.

[...]I do, however, totally agree that periodic respecs are very reasonable when major changes are made to the skill tree. There really should be little debate (oh, but there will be... *sigh*) about respecs when the full racial lines of suits come out. I guess maybe you could argue about full vs partial respecs, but that's it.

TheAmazing FlyingPig sniped me out of a moving llav (I was gunnin' people down using the blaster) yesterday.

I bet when you saw me in the match yesterday you were thinking "oh yeah....... u want respeks uh.... "aims"... "adjusts to moving speed"... here's ur respek "pulls trigger"

PrEaCh eats a bullet in da head


"ya still want a respek PrEaCh?"

"no thanks... I was wrong.... Pigs can fly!"

Now you have to kill a kitten. Or a pig, since this time you were the one to make a respec thread.

I could not read that whole list. I got the gist after the first 3. Bottom line... this is a FPS with MMO aspects not a MMO with FPS aspects.

I have played eve for 8 years ... I don't expect respecs.

I have played Dust since Beta. From my FPS I expect to be able to 'play every class'. You can not do that in Dust.

To CCP ... I am a 15m SP Merc. I have played for over a year. I have NEVER fit a heavy suit, fired a heavy weapon, along with most other weapons in the game.

Why? because there are no respecs ... which I would pay good money for. Not because I want a win button when there is imbalance. but because FPS fill a different role in my gaming life them pure MMO's they cater to my mood more. When I want to snipe I snipe when I want to barrel in recklessly I play the tank.

If I had one game to compare the Dust arctypes to it would be Team Fortress. Your mood dictates what you play and sometimes I want to be a heavy and sometimes I want to be a spy.

Now I can get on board with in Dust I can't change that every death/round. Or maybe not every week. But the fact that from the FIRST DAY I create a toon, I have to commit for life (literally) every SP I earn to an arc type... just breaks the FPS mold to much.

I love the idea of merging MMO long term planning with FPS gratification, but part of the gratification is changing arctypes.

CCP PLEASE TAKE MY MONEY ... once a week I will pay you 5 dollars for the opportunity to respec my SP. So that week if I feel like experiencing a different aspect of the game I can do so. I have only experience 10% of what your game has to offer because I am terrified of 'wasting' SP.

8. Just reset all SP!

I've seen this one thrown around many times, mostly by new players. I would like someone to show me an MMO that gives you as much of a fighting chance against a one year vet as this game does. While yes, vets do have more SP than you and probably always will, no other MMO game I can think of allows you to be as effective against older players as this one.

We've also already had our SP reset several times, so... yea.

The only thing I have a problem with is this line and ill explain why. Sure, this game gives a great fighting chance against vets, which in other MMOS just simply isn't the case. If your skilled enough, and have an idea for what your speccing into, a 1 week old player can put a pretty good fight up against a 5 month old vet. HOWEVER, I would like to point out that most MMOS separate Vets from Noobs. The battle academy is a good start, but its pretty poor. As soon as you get out of it, the game goes wayyyy down hill. The ability for players to choose when they can fight a vet is what I think is needed. At that point, I would be much more inclined to agree with this particular point