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OZAROW A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy 238	Posted - 2013.07.26 23:08:00 - [1] - Quote Hey devs, there are tons of threads out there because we're getting slaughtered, the good scouts do good but I think we're all in agreement we were doing better in chrome an 1.1 Currently in a world of faylocks an md were getting ohkilled, because we can't run an jump an our core stats are horrible considering most people have a proficiency 5 damage weapon an enough slots for damage mods an tons of hp. We have all had to swap our speed mods for a cardiac an now everyone's just as fast our faster. My 60 000 isk proto suit is the same as my advanced suit with one more armor plate which makes no difference We need More slots CPU pg increase 2 equipment slots Nova fix Buff to stamina Core speed increase Shield recharge of 50 Cloaking Some scout only things Just to say the least, so can you please review this an have it on the to do by 1.4
Smooth Assassin Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2013.07.26 23:20:00 - [2] - Quote Only logi dropsuits can get more than 1 equipment i'm certain of that but i don't think the scouts should be upgraded because they have an incredible power to take kills from a long range location before the enemy even knows he was there in the first place. My opinion to you is to stay at a long ranged location where you can get a good view of the map and the enemies, make sure to get headshots as they deal superior damage to targets or simply upgrade your sniper rifle to higher tiers i recommend the "Charged Sniper Rifle"
OZAROW A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy 238	Posted - 2013.07.26 23:34:00 - [3] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: Only logi dropsuits can get more than 1 equipment i'm certain of that but i don't think the scouts should be upgraded because they have an incredible power to take kills from a long range location before the enemy even knows he was there in the first place. My opinion to you is to stay at a long ranged location where you can get a good view of the map and the enemies, make sure to get headshots as they deal superior damage to targets or simply upgrade your sniper rifle to higher tiers i recommend the "Charged Sniper Rifle" For one I have a knife assassin, two, in chrome we had two types of scouts one had two guns an one equipment the other had one gun an two equipment. Scouts are first in our equipment in majority are r/e an links. If I wanted to be a sniper I wouldn't be a scout.
DottorBestemmia Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS. 5	Posted - 2013.07.26 23:37:00 - [4] - Quote ehi,this isnt scout,this is a sniper,a noob sniper... i use gk.0 scout dropsuit with Shotgun pro and flylock pro,the life of scout is very hard,the bonus are broken,the nova are broken,the hit detected as = than heavy...is a f**** s***!!!i hav 12kk sp please ccp,repec my u.u sorry,i no speak inglish,im italian XD
TheEnd762 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 100	Posted - 2013.07.26 23:37:00 - [5] - Quote We definitely need a speed and stamina buff, but the rest sounds a little OP.
Smooth Assassin Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2013.07.26 23:37:00 - [6] - Quote Be amar cos they are heavy and takes more than 1 shot with a weak sniper rifle with a headshot to kill them
DottorBestemmia Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS. 5	Posted - 2013.07.26 23:46:00 - [7] - Quote op?op is a caldari dropsuit XD the is very very very up lol..i lost 153.000 isk for dead with my f***** proto,I'm dead 49658764 times thanks to a sniper with a ishukone in the red line(1 shot 1 die -_-),because a gallente dropsuit have 1 slot high,and my max hp is 150 shield 160 armour.. the scout cant tanking be armur!!!!not sense ccp!
OZAROW A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy 239	Posted - 2013.07.27 01:07:00 - [8] - Quote TheEnd762 wrote: We definitely need a speed and stamina buff, but the rest sounds a little OP. Not really op if your walking around in a hail of explosions a 50 shield recharge is fair considering the max shield on a minmatar scout is 343 with under a 100 armor considering hardley any mini scout uses the low slots for anything other than a green an red / two green / two red or armor basic an a red which means at max you might have 500 hp on a prot an move slow. Now if they boosted the shield to 50 recharge an kept theslots as is that's fine but if they give mini another low slot then keep the shield recharge as is. Now the gallente can tank armor an be slow an we all know armor sucks so even a proto gallente only gets one shield do if that stays the same boost the recharge it's only gonna have maybe 150 shield So they can ignore giving us more slots but the stamina an shield an CPU an pg should change if that's the case or do us all a favor an make the hit detection on knives an sg work, since most scouts went logi so they can still play the same just have more hp. So in conclusion we need one or the other because this games still growing, wait until everyone in the game equals up to everyone's sp, my scout has 14 million an almost everything is complex an proto an that's as good as its gonna get while that's not the case for other suits. A scout can barely keep the speed with a proto logi with 4/4 running full shield a dam mod, sg an complex red/ greens. Nobody in the game should have more speed , stamina, or strafe speed than a scout or even be equal it defeats the purpose of the class
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 2709	Posted - 2013.07.27 01:08:00 - [9] - Quote OZAROW wrote: Hey devs, there are tons of threads out there because we're getting slaughtered, the good scouts do good but I think we're all in agreement we were doing better in chrome an 1.1 Currently in a world of faylocks an md were getting ohkilled, because we can't run an jump an our core stats are horrible considering most people have a proficiency 5 damage weapon an enough slots for damage mods an tons of hp. We have all had to swap our speed mods for a cardiac an now everyone's just as fast our faster. My 60 000 isk proto suit is the same as my advanced suit with one more armor plate which makes no difference We need More slots CPU pg increase 2 equipment slots Nova fix Buff to stamina Core speed increase Shield recharge of 50 Cloaking Some scout only things Just to say the least, so can you please review this an have it on the to do by 1.4 Is this another request for Scouts to be frontline combat suits? You know they have 3 more planned specializations for Lights that we've seen, right? I'm pretty sure the Breach suit will fit the Light-Assault role just fine.
OZAROW A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy 239	Posted - 2013.07.27 01:11:00 - [10] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: OZAROW wrote: Hey devs, there are tons of threads out there because we're getting slaughtered, the good scouts do good but I think we're all in agreement we were doing better in chrome an 1.1 Currently in a world of faylocks an md were getting ohkilled, because we can't run an jump an our core stats are horrible considering most people have a proficiency 5 damage weapon an enough slots for damage mods an tons of hp. We have all had to swap our speed mods for a cardiac an now everyone's just as fast our faster. My 60 000 isk proto suit is the same as my advanced suit with one more armor plate which makes no difference We need More slots CPU pg increase 2 equipment slots Nova fix Buff to stamina Core speed increase Shield recharge of 50 Cloaking Some scout only things Just to say the least, so can you please review this an have it on the to do by 1.4 Is this another request for Scouts to be frontline combat suits? You know they have 3 more planned specializations for Lights that we've seen, right? I'm pretty sure the Breach suit will fit the Light-Assault role just fine. Before you asked, the names and some details of the descriptions were in the market on Buckingham before they closed it down to EVE players again. So what I have to spend 3 million more sp into a suit that's just as broken ad the one I have?

Lightning Bolt2 DUST University Ivy League 75	Posted - 2013.07.27 02:31:00 - [11] - Quote OZAROW wrote: Hey devs, there are tons of threads out there because we're getting slaughtered, the good scouts do good but I think we're all in agreement we were doing better in chrome an 1.1 Currently in a world of faylocks an md were getting ohkilled, because we can't run an jump an our core stats are horrible considering most people have a proficiency 5 damage weapon an enough slots for damage mods an tons of hp. We have all had to swap our speed mods for a cardiac an now everyone's just as fast our faster. My 60 000 isk proto suit is the same as my advanced suit with one more armor plate which makes no difference We need More slots CPU pg increase 2 equipment slots Nova fix Buff to stamina Core speed increase Shield recharge of 50 Cloaking Some scout only things Just to say the least, so can you please review this an have it on the to do by 1.4 Cloaking NEEDS to be scout only, also its even in the description.
TheEnd762 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 100	Posted - 2013.07.27 03:17:00 - [12] - Quote Lightning Bolt2 wrote: OZAROW wrote: Hey devs, there are tons of threads out there because we're getting slaughtered, the good scouts do good but I think we're all in agreement we were doing better in chrome an 1.1 Currently in a world of faylocks an md were getting ohkilled, because we can't run an jump an our core stats are horrible considering most people have a proficiency 5 damage weapon an enough slots for damage mods an tons of hp. We have all had to swap our speed mods for a cardiac an now everyone's just as fast our faster. My 60 000 isk proto suit is the same as my advanced suit with one more armor plate which makes no difference We need More slots CPU pg increase 2 equipment slots Nova fix Buff to stamina Core speed increase Shield recharge of 50 Cloaking Some scout only things Just to say the least, so can you please review this an have it on the to do by 1.4 Cloaking NEEDS to be scout only, also its even in the description. I definitely agree with that. I can get on board with some more shield regen too.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 2713	Posted - 2013.07.27 03:31:00 - [13] - Quote OZAROW wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: OZAROW wrote: Hey devs, there are tons of threads out there because we're getting slaughtered, the good scouts do good but I think we're all in agreement we were doing better in chrome an 1.1 Currently in a world of faylocks an md were getting ohkilled, because we can't run an jump an our core stats are horrible considering most people have a proficiency 5 damage weapon an enough slots for damage mods an tons of hp. We have all had to swap our speed mods for a cardiac an now everyone's just as fast our faster. My 60 000 isk proto suit is the same as my advanced suit with one more armor plate which makes no difference We need More slots CPU pg increase 2 equipment slots Nova fix Buff to stamina Core speed increase Shield recharge of 50 Cloaking Some scout only things Just to say the least, so can you please review this an have it on the to do by 1.4 Is this another request for Scouts to be frontline combat suits? You know they have 3 more planned specializations for Lights that we've seen, right? I'm pretty sure the Breach suit will fit the Light-Assault role just fine. Before you asked, the names and some details of the descriptions were in the market on Buckingham before they closed it down to EVE players again. So what I have to spend 3 million more sp into a suit that's just as broken ad the one I have? Yeah, you could be a pessimist about it.
Ghost Kaisar Intrepidus XI EoN. 190	Posted - 2013.07.27 04:26:00 - [14] - Quote Okay, I will be up front about this. Light Frames are BROKEN. Pros of a Light Suit: Speed Tracking ability (CQC) Stealth Stamina Cons: Low eHP Low CPU/PG Low Slots CHANGES AS OF 1.3 We are still fast. Thank god. Tracking ability is reduced. Everybody strafes like crazy now. Turning speed is the only advantage Stealth never freaking worked in the first place. Profile Dampening is Broken as well Stamina has been nerfed. Still fragile Still low on CPU/PG Still low on Slots CHANGES IN 1.4 Still fast. Our ONLY claim to fame. Say goodbye to CQC viability. EVERYONE will now turn at the same speed. Stealth. Still broken. Stamina. Still nerfed. Aim assist will help noobs shoot us. Vets still have no problem. STILL low on CPU/PG STILL low on slots Re-assesment on the Strengths and Weaknesses of the Light Frame. Pros: Speed Cons: Low eHP Low CPU/PG Low Slots Do you see the problem now? We can only claim to be fast. And guess what? Even that is nerfed to a degree, as if the objective is farther than 200m from the beginning of the game, a full squad can get there at the same time, if not sooner in a LAV. THERE IS NO VALID, LEGITIMATE REASON TO RUN A LIGHT FRAME. WE ONLY DO IT BECAUSE WE PUT OUR SP INTO IT AND BECAUSE WE ARE STUBBORN AS HELL
Django Quik R.I.f.t 1105	Posted - 2013.07.27 04:46:00 - [15] - Quote We need one slot extra at advanced and at least one at proto, maybe 2. Then like 50 more cpu and 15 pg. The low HP thing is fine as long as we have ways to compensate. With these buffs we still wouldn't be able to have the same eHP as assaults, so still wouldn't be the frontline suits of choice but would have the flexibility to make ourselves a lot more useful than we are now. I don't personally mind only having 1 equipment slot but adding a variant similar to the old b type would be fine. And for all our sakes please do something about passive scanning that will make low profile suits actually relevant!
OZAROW A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy 241	Posted - 2013.07.27 14:14:00 - [16] - Quote They have to fix this stamina an hit box crap, it's been prove that your hit box as a scout increases with speed to the same size as a heavy suit, that's why you get snagged running through tight spots an also end up getting shot when you make it around a corner; because your hit box sticks out so your actually getting killed by a guy that's missing! Plus this nova knive hit detection blue shield garbage, an the inability to jump a handrail without your feet touching the top is crappy, 1.1 was perfect, wake up in 1.2 I'm like wtf!?
Funkmaster Whale 0uter.Heaven EoN. 131	Posted - 2013.07.27 14:29:00 - [17] - Quote Scouts definitely need some lovin. They need something to set them apart from the other classes other than 'speed', which is nice but becomes pretty useless as the game progresses. Scouts should get some sort of built-in feature like an active scanner or cloaking so that they're not just underpowered Assault suits. I tried running shotgun scout and found myself doing better as an Assault with catalyzers because I wouldn't die to one or two shots. Hopefully once EWAR is fleshed out scouts will play a more pivotal role.
Vulcanus Lightbringer Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 41	Posted - 2013.07.27 14:47:00 - [18] - Quote OZAROW wrote: CPU pg increase 2 equipment slots Cloaking This I agree with, the rest not so much.
OZAROW A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy 242	Posted - 2013.07.27 16:30:00 - [19] - Quote Vulcanus Lightbringer wrote: OZAROW wrote: CPU pg increase 2 equipment slots Cloaking This I agree with, the rest not so much. Need CPU an pg, an if we get no slots than we need more base speed an endurance an shield regen. Now if we get these slots than I can compensate for endurance but as of now as a scout I shouldn't have to waste one of two slots in a cardiac or CPU chip but if I had 3 low slots np All othe suits get at least 2 more slots at proto, an my scout gets what; 60 more shield? An I still move the same as others or less efficient ? Makes no sense
Eno Raef KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 56	Posted - 2013.07.27 16:55:00 - [20] - Quote CCP has made the scout cost more SP which hurts. The scout and heavy suit require more skill progression than the medium suits which seems illogical since the scout and heavy are situational than medium suits are all around useful suits. Biotics which are geared mostly to scouts also have a high skill progression. IMO there may not be enough standard speed difference between medium suits and scout suits. But, CCP can't make scouts too fast or hit detection and latency may become too much of an issue when going against a scout.

Niuvo The Phoenix Federation 296	Posted - 2013.07.27 17:07:00 - [21] - Quote The scout class is for skillful players to take out other skillful players. Right now of course we ARE being taken out by noobs. Please, this is the most coolest class ever, our tactics our unmatched except by other scouts. I have spent a lot of SP for my scout, and I haven't yielded the fruits. They better ripen us soon!
OZAROW A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy 246	Posted - 2013.07.27 17:21:00 - [22] - Quote Eno Raef wrote: CCP has made the scout cost more SP which hurts. The scout and heavy suit require more skill progression than the medium suits which seems illogical since the scout and heavy are situational than medium suits are all around useful suits. Biotics which are geared mostly to scouts also have a high skill progression. IMO there may not be enough standard speed difference between medium suits and scout suits. But, CCP can't make scouts too fast or hit detection and latency may become too much of an issue when going against a scout. True but the change from 1.1 to 1.2 was devestating to us. Fix that an give us the same advantage as before an I would be fine, 1.2 did nothing but make other suits equal to scouts in almost every possible way, but also made other suits op against a scout since we are essentially moving the same with weaker stats. This has to change, so either buff us or return stamina , movement , strafing an hit box sizes back to that of 1.1
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD 106	Posted - 2013.07.27 18:25:00 - [23] - Quote OZAROW wrote: Hey devs, there are tons of threads out there because we're getting slaughtered, the good scouts do good but I think we're all in agreement we were doing better in chrome an 1.1 Currently in a world of faylocks an md were getting ohkilled, because we can't run an jump an our core stats are horrible considering most people have a proficiency 5 damage weapon an enough slots for damage mods an tons of hp. We have all had to swap our speed mods for a cardiac an now everyone's just as fast our faster. My 60 000 isk proto suit is the same as my advanced suit with one more armor plate which makes no difference We need More slots CPU pg increase 2 equipment slots Nova fix Buff to stamina Core speed increase Shield recharge of 50 Cloaking Some scout only things Just to say the least, so can you please review this an have it on the to do by 1.4 My 255 ISK proto heavy suit gets eating up in a clip of a duvolle and you're whining? Scouts are fine, they, as many scouts have said before die a lot. Be happy you even get equipment Be happy you can move faster than 3 m/s Be happy you can jump over a railing Be happy you can strafe faster than heavies turn around The only thing I agree with you is your slot config, they either need to give us more high slots or remove ALL but one of the CK.0's low slots
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 55	Posted - 2013.07.27 20:16:00 - [24] - Quote My current issue with scouts is that to be relevant on the battle field in any way I have to run proto. as far as explosives go they need to have an explosion radius and every thing they can damage needs and signature radius, so they can make explosives scale lit they do in eve. even a 20-30% damage reduction would help scouts a lot against MD and FL
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 55	Posted - 2013.07.27 20:21:00 - [25] - Quote Oh whoops not to mention fall damage needs to be fixed for scouts. Seriously what kind of super soldier cant fall two stories with out injury, **** real people can fall three with minor injuries and no injuries if they know what they are doing. not to mention since scouts are the fast agile suits (with non exsistant HP) they should really should get a bonus to fall hight.
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 55	Posted - 2013.07.27 20:27:00 - [26] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: OZAROW wrote: Hey devs, there are tons of threads out there because we're getting slaughtered, the good scouts do good but I think we're all in agreement we were doing better in chrome an 1.1 Currently in a world of faylocks an md were getting ohkilled, because we can't run an jump an our core stats are horrible considering most people have a proficiency 5 damage weapon an enough slots for damage mods an tons of hp. We have all had to swap our speed mods for a cardiac an now everyone's just as fast our faster. My 60 000 isk proto suit is the same as my advanced suit with one more armor plate which makes no difference We need More slots CPU pg increase 2 equipment slots Nova fix Buff to stamina Core speed increase Shield recharge of 50 Cloaking Some scout only things Just to say the least, so can you please review this an have it on the to do by 1.4 My 255 ISK proto heavy suit gets eating up in a clip of a duvolle and you're whining? Scouts are fine, they, as many scouts have said before die a lot. Be happy you even get equipment Be happy you can move faster than 3 m/s Be happy you can jump over a railing Be happy you can strafe faster than heavies turn around The only thing I agree with you is your slot config, they either need to give us more high slots or remove ALL but one of the CK.0's low slots actually you are right sir one more high on every scout suit would help, that or fucktons more speeds which CCP can't do due to technical issues from what I under stand.
DottorBestemmia Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS. 6	Posted - 2013.07.27 21:30:00 - [27] - Quote lol,scout dropuist standard is equal to that specialist,you know it?
Ghost Kaisar Intrepidus XI EoN. 193	Posted - 2013.07.27 22:40:00 - [28] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: My 255 ISK proto heavy suit gets eating up in a clip of a duvolle and you're whining? Scouts are fine, they, as many scouts have said before die a lot. Be happy you even get equipment Be happy you can move faster than 3 m/s Be happy you can jump over a railing Be happy you can strafe faster than heavies turn around The only thing I agree with you is your slot config, they either need to give us more high slots or remove ALL but one of the CK.0's low slots Okay, time for some edumacation. We can't even eat 5 rounds of a Duvolle. Wouldn't be a problem except hit detection gets worse as you run faster. We can't FIT equipment due to lack of CPU/PG I am happy I can move faster than 3 m/s, good argument there. I love my extra Jump height. Last argument is invalid. You will be able to strafe and turn as fast as we can when 1.4 drops. Your list boils down to this. Be happy you can move faster than 3 m/s Be happy you can jump over a railing. WHOOP-DE-*******-DOO
OZAROW A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy 250	Posted - 2013.07.28 02:13:00 - [29] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: THUNDERGROOVE wrote: My 255 ISK proto heavy suit gets eating up in a clip of a duvolle and you're whining? Scouts are fine, they, as many scouts have said before die a lot. Be happy you even get equipment Be happy you can move faster than 3 m/s Be happy you can jump over a railing Be happy you can strafe faster than heavies turn around The only thing I agree with you is your slot config, they either need to give us more high slots or remove ALL but one of the CK.0's low slots Okay, time for some edumacation. We can't even eat 5 rounds of a Duvolle. Wouldn't be a problem except hit detection gets worse as you run faster. We can't FIT equipment due to lack of CPU/PG I am happy I can move faster than 3 m/s, good argument there. I love my extra Jump height. Last argument is invalid. You will be able to strafe and turn as fast as we can when 1.4 drops. Your list boils down to this. Be happy you can move faster than 3 m/s Be happy you can jump over a railing. WHOOP-DE-*******-DOO Thank you sir! We're supposed to do all that the heavy suit mention, but the problem is now its worse than before. With everything equal the scouts old advantages are gone. You also have to remember mister heavy suit poster, when you say scouts are fine it's only because the ones that kill you are damn good. Most scout players have stayed playing scout the whole time same as heavies, I can cut a heavy down with my smg, so what's your point? Heavies aren't as good as they used to be an armor sucks. But as I've said before everyone in the game now practically now has pro damage, an as the game progresses it's only gonna be more abundant. So we need a buff, your heavy might not perform as strong as before but at least your proto doesn't have 400 total hp for a cost of 50 000 more isk for 60 more hp, I would pay 250000 isk for over a 1000 hp
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 457	Posted - 2013.07.28 06:47:00 - [30] - Quote OZAROW wrote: Hey devs, there are tons of threads out there because we're getting slaughtered, the good scouts do good but I think we're all in agreement we were doing better in chrome an 1.1 Currently in a world of faylocks an md were getting ohkilled, because we can't run an jump an our core stats are horrible considering most people have a proficiency 5 damage weapon an enough slots for damage mods an tons of hp. We have all had to swap our speed mods for a cardiac an now everyone's just as fast our faster. My 60 000 isk proto suit is the same as my advanced suit with one more armor plate which makes no difference We need More slots CPU pg increase 2 equipment slots Nova fix Buff to stamina Core speed increase Shield recharge of 50 Cloaking Some scout only things Just to say the least, so can you please review this an have it on the to do by 1.4 actually alot of scouts are doing good because they have core flaylocks. why? shotguns were nerfed and now are really difficult to use. the core flaylock was helping scouts. you take that out, and now scouts can only use Ars effectively... meaning you will never win a fight with any other suit... scouts and heavies are worthless now



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