DUST Search - Can you please fix scouts for 1.4?

Mobius Wyvern wrote:

OZAROW wrote:

Hey devs, there are tons of threads out there because we're getting slaughtered, the good scouts do good but I think we're all in agreement we were doing better in chrome an 1.1
Currently in a world of faylocks an md were getting ohkilled, because we can't run an jump an our core stats are horrible considering most people have a proficiency 5 damage weapon an enough slots for damage mods an tons of hp.

We have all had to swap our speed mods for a cardiac an now everyone's just as fast our faster.
My 60 000 isk proto suit is the same as my advanced suit with one more armor plate which makes no difference
We need

More slots
CPU pg increase
2 equipment slots
Nova fix
Buff to stamina
Core speed increase
Shield recharge of 50
Cloaking
Some scout only things

Just to say the least, so can you please review this an have it on the to do by 1.4

Is this another request for Scouts to be frontline combat suits?

You know they have 3 more planned specializations for Lights that we've seen, right? I'm pretty sure the Breach suit will fit the Light-Assault role just fine.

Before you asked, the names and some details of the descriptions were in the market on Buckingham before they closed it down to EVE players again.


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OZAROW A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy 238	Posted - 2013.07.26 23:08:00 - [1] - Quote Hey devs, there are tons of threads out there because we're getting slaughtered, the good scouts do good but I think we're all in agreement we were doing better in chrome an 1.1 Currently in a world of faylocks an md were getting ohkilled, because we can't run an jump an our core stats are horrible considering most people have a proficiency 5 damage weapon an enough slots for damage mods an tons of hp. We have all had to swap our speed mods for a cardiac an now everyone's just as fast our faster. My 60 000 isk proto suit is the same as my advanced suit with one more armor plate which makes no difference We need More slots CPU pg increase 2 equipment slots Nova fix Buff to stamina Core speed increase Shield recharge of 50 Cloaking Some scout only things Just to say the least, so can you please review this an have it on the to do by 1.4
OZAROW A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy 238	Posted - 2013.07.26 23:34:00 - [2] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: Only logi dropsuits can get more than 1 equipment i'm certain of that but i don't think the scouts should be upgraded because they have an incredible power to take kills from a long range location before the enemy even knows he was there in the first place. My opinion to you is to stay at a long ranged location where you can get a good view of the map and the enemies, make sure to get headshots as they deal superior damage to targets or simply upgrade your sniper rifle to higher tiers i recommend the "Charged Sniper Rifle" For one I have a knife assassin, two, in chrome we had two types of scouts one had two guns an one equipment the other had one gun an two equipment. Scouts are first in our equipment in majority are r/e an links. If I wanted to be a sniper I wouldn't be a scout.
OZAROW A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy 239	Posted - 2013.07.27 01:07:00 - [3] - Quote TheEnd762 wrote: We definitely need a speed and stamina buff, but the rest sounds a little OP. Not really op if your walking around in a hail of explosions a 50 shield recharge is fair considering the max shield on a minmatar scout is 343 with under a 100 armor considering hardley any mini scout uses the low slots for anything other than a green an red / two green / two red or armor basic an a red which means at max you might have 500 hp on a prot an move slow. Now if they boosted the shield to 50 recharge an kept theslots as is that's fine but if they give mini another low slot then keep the shield recharge as is. Now the gallente can tank armor an be slow an we all know armor sucks so even a proto gallente only gets one shield do if that stays the same boost the recharge it's only gonna have maybe 150 shield So they can ignore giving us more slots but the stamina an shield an CPU an pg should change if that's the case or do us all a favor an make the hit detection on knives an sg work, since most scouts went logi so they can still play the same just have more hp. So in conclusion we need one or the other because this games still growing, wait until everyone in the game equals up to everyone's sp, my scout has 14 million an almost everything is complex an proto an that's as good as its gonna get while that's not the case for other suits. A scout can barely keep the speed with a proto logi with 4/4 running full shield a dam mod, sg an complex red/ greens. Nobody in the game should have more speed , stamina, or strafe speed than a scout or even be equal it defeats the purpose of the class
OZAROW A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy 239	Posted - 2013.07.27 01:11:00 - [4] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: OZAROW wrote: Hey devs, there are tons of threads out there because we're getting slaughtered, the good scouts do good but I think we're all in agreement we were doing better in chrome an 1.1 Currently in a world of faylocks an md were getting ohkilled, because we can't run an jump an our core stats are horrible considering most people have a proficiency 5 damage weapon an enough slots for damage mods an tons of hp. We have all had to swap our speed mods for a cardiac an now everyone's just as fast our faster. My 60 000 isk proto suit is the same as my advanced suit with one more armor plate which makes no difference We need More slots CPU pg increase 2 equipment slots Nova fix Buff to stamina Core speed increase Shield recharge of 50 Cloaking Some scout only things Just to say the least, so can you please review this an have it on the to do by 1.4 Is this another request for Scouts to be frontline combat suits? You know they have 3 more planned specializations for Lights that we've seen, right? I'm pretty sure the Breach suit will fit the Light-Assault role just fine. Before you asked, the names and some details of the descriptions were in the market on Buckingham before they closed it down to EVE players again. So what I have to spend 3 million more sp into a suit that's just as broken ad the one I have?
OZAROW A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy 241	Posted - 2013.07.27 14:14:00 - [5] - Quote They have to fix this stamina an hit box crap, it's been prove that your hit box as a scout increases with speed to the same size as a heavy suit, that's why you get snagged running through tight spots an also end up getting shot when you make it around a corner; because your hit box sticks out so your actually getting killed by a guy that's missing! Plus this nova knive hit detection blue shield garbage, an the inability to jump a handrail without your feet touching the top is crappy, 1.1 was perfect, wake up in 1.2 I'm like wtf!?
OZAROW A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy 242	Posted - 2013.07.27 16:30:00 - [6] - Quote Vulcanus Lightbringer wrote: OZAROW wrote: CPU pg increase 2 equipment slots Cloaking This I agree with, the rest not so much. Need CPU an pg, an if we get no slots than we need more base speed an endurance an shield regen. Now if we get these slots than I can compensate for endurance but as of now as a scout I shouldn't have to waste one of two slots in a cardiac or CPU chip but if I had 3 low slots np All othe suits get at least 2 more slots at proto, an my scout gets what; 60 more shield? An I still move the same as others or less efficient ? Makes no sense
OZAROW A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy 246	Posted - 2013.07.27 17:21:00 - [7] - Quote Eno Raef wrote: CCP has made the scout cost more SP which hurts. The scout and heavy suit require more skill progression than the medium suits which seems illogical since the scout and heavy are situational than medium suits are all around useful suits. Biotics which are geared mostly to scouts also have a high skill progression. IMO there may not be enough standard speed difference between medium suits and scout suits. But, CCP can't make scouts too fast or hit detection and latency may become too much of an issue when going against a scout. True but the change from 1.1 to 1.2 was devestating to us. Fix that an give us the same advantage as before an I would be fine, 1.2 did nothing but make other suits equal to scouts in almost every possible way, but also made other suits op against a scout since we are essentially moving the same with weaker stats. This has to change, so either buff us or return stamina , movement , strafing an hit box sizes back to that of 1.1
OZAROW A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy 250	Posted - 2013.07.28 02:13:00 - [8] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: THUNDERGROOVE wrote: My 255 ISK proto heavy suit gets eating up in a clip of a duvolle and you're whining? Scouts are fine, they, as many scouts have said before die a lot. Be happy you even get equipment Be happy you can move faster than 3 m/s Be happy you can jump over a railing Be happy you can strafe faster than heavies turn around The only thing I agree with you is your slot config, they either need to give us more high slots or remove ALL but one of the CK.0's low slots Okay, time for some edumacation. We can't even eat 5 rounds of a Duvolle. Wouldn't be a problem except hit detection gets worse as you run faster. We can't FIT equipment due to lack of CPU/PG I am happy I can move faster than 3 m/s, good argument there. I love my extra Jump height. Last argument is invalid. You will be able to strafe and turn as fast as we can when 1.4 drops. Your list boils down to this. Be happy you can move faster than 3 m/s Be happy you can jump over a railing. WHOOP-DE-*******-DOO Thank you sir! We're supposed to do all that the heavy suit mention, but the problem is now its worse than before. With everything equal the scouts old advantages are gone. You also have to remember mister heavy suit poster, when you say scouts are fine it's only because the ones that kill you are damn good. Most scout players have stayed playing scout the whole time same as heavies, I can cut a heavy down with my smg, so what's your point? Heavies aren't as good as they used to be an armor sucks. But as I've said before everyone in the game now practically now has pro damage, an as the game progresses it's only gonna be more abundant. So we need a buff, your heavy might not perform as strong as before but at least your proto doesn't have 400 total hp for a cost of 50 000 more isk for 60 more hp, I would pay 250000 isk for over a 1000 hp
OZAROW A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy 250	Posted - 2013.07.28 21:26:00 - [9] - Quote Draco Cerberus wrote: Scouts are low hp high speed suits. They are designed to speed tank not shield or armor tank. If you are getting slaughtered try setting your suit up for speed and mobility rather than armor or shield tank. IMO scouts are functioning as they were intended and there is no need for a buff/nerf or tweak of this suit. Learn how to use the scout suit properly, its not just scouts getting slaughtered but EVERY other class of suit as well. This is not a game where it is possible to not die every match. There is only one thing that is certain, DEATH. When you start a new character the first thing that you are told is that you will die, get used to it and adapt to minimize your deaths and you will do just fine. Militia suits while you are learning how to do this are inexpensive and will give you the least cost to train your kill skills. Welcome to New Eden. BTW i get slaughtered by scouts more often than any other class Ya um , you have no idea about what your talking about but thanks for comming out! All you mentioned above is old news an if you read some of the points mentioned in the thread that there was drastic changes done in 1.2 that changed this game for us, so go read so I don't have to say the same $/-/% fifty times. Thankyou
OZAROW A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy 252	Posted - 2013.07.29 00:08:00 - [10] - Quote Honestly our core stats suck but I delt with it I knew the issues before I went scout, but then came the explosive FOTOM weapons which suck but 1.2 upgrades are the worst with the doped an stamina, strafing an all these changes our class needs a buff to equal out what they did to the game in 1.2 I understand it slows down lag an all other tech issues but before they implemented these changes, the scout class should have been brought up to speed to compensate. Now maybe they figured it wouldn't have as big of a effect as it has but it does. So for us to wait countless months with no actuall idea of what they will do to fix our class is unreasonable. Therefore we need as many scouts as possible to bump similar threads for a dev response other than them saying " scouts are under performing an need some love in the future". My question is how much love an when? Should I start specializing differently or will it be a waste if I do? Will they nerf my next choice too? An continue to buff the things I have no points in? I think the only viable option for us now is to spend the next months working on things that hopefully stay the same, shields, armor, pg CPU, weapon proficiencies, uplinks, hacking speeds an maybe some advanced suits of other classes that would be strong if we use the things we have specialized in on those suits, like logi shotgun need with dampeners an cardiacs an kinetics

OZAROW A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy 254	Posted - 2013.07.29 01:31:00 - [11] - Quote CLONE117 wrote: scouts semm to run and jump fast to me...its the logi med suit that needs tweaking.... Only because older scouts have complex mods, an usually stack em, but 1.2 took a lot of our advantages away an made our hit box increase with speed. If you played earlier you would see a tremendous difference