But my question is, why aren't there other types of non-lethal rewards, or just different rewards in general? I personally would like some other form of reward that could turn the tide of battle if our squad does well.

Currently, most of us know that when your squad gets 2500 wp, the squad leader can request a precision strike.

But my question is, why aren't there other types of non-lethal rewards, or just different rewards in general? I personally would like some other form of reward that could turn the tide of battle if our squad does well.

So here's a list of ideas I have that could be implemented relatively easily without having to add too much new code to the game. Each of these has a "counter" to it, so if one team uses a bonus, you can deploy a bonus to nullify their current one. Either that, or you can choose whatever bonus you'd like to try and switch the advantage to your side.
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Clone Pack
-An extra 10-15 clones are supplied and instantly added to your clone counts to prevent your team from running out.
-Counters Precision Strike

Installation Deployment
-Calls down a group of a Supply Depot, a CRU, and a Turret to a location of your choosing for placing a strategic waypoint on the battlefield (whether or not these are hackable is still debatable)
-Counters Rapid Deployment

Rapid Deployment
-Deploying on the battlefield for your team is instantaneous for the next X minutes to help push an objective without the current 10 second delay separating your team.
-Counters Installation Deployment

Rapid Fire Objectives
-Objectives you control fire twice as fast for the next X minutes to help the losing team get that extra oomph when they turned the game around and now have 4 of the 5 objectives
-Counters MCC shield boost

MCC Shield Boost
-The MCC on your team gets 25% of it's total shield regenerated (if it was at 10% shield, it's now at 35%) to buy your team some extra time.
-Counters Rapid Fire Objectives.
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If you have any other ideas please feel free to leave them in a reply to this post.

Some other things to debate:
-Should these bonuses all cost the same? Are some worth more or less than 2500 wp?
-Should the enemy know what bonus you are using just like they know when an orbital is being used? (instead of a sound, maybe a notification, or the lady telling you something like "Enemy Team redeemed a clone pack" or "Enemy MCC shields increased by 25%")
-Are some counters more effective that the other? (A good orbital kills only about 5-8 players, whereas the clone pack gives at least 10, but a good team can wipe out 10 clones relatively quickly anyways)

Emp burst over a selected area, like enemies can't see anything on radar even if your in line of sight for a limited amount of time.

-Orbital hack: When the enemy team attempts to intialize a orbital strike, it is simply cancelled out, costs the same amount as a strike. This would provide for a way to simply deny orbital strikes being allowed to be called down, have them not announced, so that it lays in trap. Another option for this is, that the orbital strike goes against the team that called it down.
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How about this,?

-AV Missile Barrage

Thousands of missiles that ONLY target enemy vehicles, 1HKO to all of them.

I like the sound of that...

great thread!

great ideas!
ccp should hire the OP

You should see my other thread with 60 likes about having the timer on the repair tool cap reset every time you get a kill/kill assist/guardian/revive bonus.

Also, everyone has ideas. You don't just hire idea people, as you want someone who's a good coder/artist AND has ideas. I don't even think I would like a CPM position either.

But hey look I have 16 million sp, I'm corpless, and I have great ideas :P

Rapid hack 1500 wp

Objectives or Instillation's will be hacked faster at 25% for X number of hacks the squad does (If it stacks if more than one squad members hacks is questionable). So if the number of hacks that the bonus is applied to is five, then once the squad reaches a number of five hacks between them, then the bonus is gone.

Didn't read all the replies so don't no if this was suggested yet but;

There needs to be a "Commander" tree to go along with this.

The first skill would allow for the standured orbitals at 1, EMP strikes at 3, and hybrid strikes at 5. The amount of WP needed would be reduced with each polint as well (final cost would be same as now)
This would make it so, like everything else in this game, you have to spec into the leader role.


Allow the different OMS' to be placed somewere in the tree like "Team callouts" could be for buffs that affect the whole team, "Squad Command" for squad only buffs, and "Tactician" would branch into instillations. This way every player has there own way of running there squad.

To add to this there could be 4 skills that affect squad orders. Each skill would increase the amount or effectiveness that the squad order has.

• Impenetrable Defense= "Defend" order allows squad members to give commissions when getting kills while farther away from the target.
• Hunter= "Capture" orders grant more WP.
• First Blood= "Attack" orders can track the targets longer without anyone actually seeing the target.

Either way the idea of giving WPs more tactical value is always a good thing.

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`Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST .

So a few of you have suggested some sort of skill system to earn different bonuses, and this isn't in the game at all, and not part of my topic.

If you would like to make a suggestion for this topic, please make sure that it relates to something that's already in-game that can be modified. I'm not looking for a complete redesign of the system, just a few different options besides Precision Strikes.

I could use some more feedback too :P

What about on map support for those who don't have EVE support, even if it is more expensive?

We should be able to call in a supply depot if we get 500-1000 wp, so if we get 1000-2000 wp we can call in 2, make it work like a bank system, resets every match but wp is tracked between bonuses. Imagine this:
Get 2500 wp, can either call in an ob(2500) or a supply depot(500) and 2 aimed large turrets(1k ea.) or 4 'sentry guns' (500 ea.)which are literally std (or buffed mlt) small turrets that can be placed, not like in CoD but with more of either a 'pull oit of suitcase' or a '100-200 wp per part, need to call in 2-4 parts to complete turret' to prevent people earning 2500 wp and blocking off an entire area with 4-5 rail/missile sentries. Allow intel to be achieved through throwable 'grenades' as sweeping radars will ruin scouts. A type of RDV placed mortar cannon of some sort would be useful as well. No AI controlled 'tank squads' or 'strafing runs' to keep that player controlled. Placeable bunkers would be a cool way to change the battlefield by means of player intervention

Clone Pack (2500 wp)
-An extra 10-25 clones (depends on gamemode? still debatable. Don't want it to overpower OBs) are supplied and instantly added to your clone counts to prevent your team from running out.
-Defensive counter to Orbital Strike

Installation Deployment (2000 wp)
-Calls down a Supply Depot or CRU to a location of your choosing for placing a strategic waypoint on the battlefield (whether or not these are hackable is still debatable)
-Defensive counter to Rapid Deployment

Rapid Deployment (2000 wp)
-Deploying on the battlefield for your team is instantaneous for the next X minutes to help push an objective without the current 10 second delay separating your team.
-Offensive counter to Installation Deployment

Rapid Fire Objectives (4000 wp)
-Null cannons you control fire twice as fast for the next X minutes to help the losing team get that extra oomph when they turned the game around and now have 4 of the 5 null cannons
-Offensive counter to MCC shield boost

MCC Shield Boost (4000 wp)
-The MCC on your team gets 25% of it's total shield regenerated (if it was at 10% shield, it's now at 35%) to buy your team some extra time.
-Defensive counter to Rapid Fire Objectives

(NEW) Orbital Scanning (1500 wp)
-Reveals enemy positions for x seconds (kinda sounds too much like CoD but whatever) to know where the enemies are (might be too deadly in combination with an orbital strike)
-Offensive counter to Orbital Jammer

(NEW) Orbital Jammer (1500 wp)
-Your team no longer shows up on the enemy's map or radar for x seconds. If an enemy player sees you you will still have a red tag above your head, but it will not translate to other members of that team.
-Defensive counter to Orbital Scanner

Good suggestions, I'm very bored of precision strikes.

Also, I honestly don't care at all about the Eve-aspect of any of this. We don't have any significant link between Dust and Eve and we won't for the foreseeable future, so let's discuss those issues when they actually arise. Until then I'd like this game to be more fun.

One question though: Why didn't you include a turret deployment as a reward in your list? You have other installations, but cared to omit turrets, so I assume you have a reason for this.
The WP requirement for a turret should be rather low since it gets two shotted by looking at it funny, but especially in instant matches this would seriously improve the dynamics of the battle. Even if the turret only lasts for a few minutes it's still an opportunity to defend a point at a critical time.

By the way, I'd limit any turret or installation deployment to the current location of the squad leader calling it down. That way you don't get to drop a CRU behind enemy lines to start an attack without penetrating their defenses first.

How about a wall? A three-five meter long barrier that would force the enemy to either destroy it or go around. If you have an Eve pilot then you can have more options; walls with built-in shield generators, small turrets along the top, etc.
These walls would not be team specific.