Interesting ideas my guess is the majority of the populous will outright throw out this idea due to its popularity and then proceed to insult you. Do like the breach idea specifically but does not fall in line with other breach weapons.

Haha I'd love to say anything to balance the assualt rifle but were a minority. The breach variant are high damage low rof and are in need of work, AR side. The ar users make this claim often. I would say simply up the damage on breach halfway between its current stats and the tac damage. Adding recoil to this gun would indeed make it a skilled weapon, but any increase would send the community into a frenzy, even though i think its needed.Welcome to dust btw.

You realize that only FEW people uses the AR's ?

- Burst rifle .. I haven't seen anyone using this one in Uprising yet.
- Tactical .. since the nerf i hardly see anyone using that one.
- Breach..i will be surprise if it is more than one person using it.

- GEK-38..I honestly believe that only very few people still uses this weapon, is just that the people that are good with it, ARE ACTUALLY VERY GOOD PLAYERS.
- Prototype AR.. similar to the GEK-38, but obviously with a higher killing rate.

CCP already nerfed the AR to be a skilled weapon ...and is working, leave them alone.

I thought that the burst was a place holder? I didn't think it was going to be there permenantly. Why wouldn't the scrambler rifle have other variants then?

You must be trolling, us.

I'll give you the Burst, Breach, and Tac are used less, but not a chance with the GEK and DUV.

TBH there used to be a greater difference between standard - proto weaponry/suits/etc....CCP decided that they wanted only small differences between the standard and proto gears. So with that philosophy in mind this will never be done.

I think this damage progression illustrates the changes I want to see in the feel and perception of the weapon class. First, you'll notice that all weapons have a big jump between their Militia and Proto grades. I kept proto values the same (save the standard AR), and simply stretched the values going down. I think this I think this gives the feel of really unlocking something new and stronger. Currently, the Exile is popular because in most cases the TTK between it and the Duvolle is not very noticeable. The current damage on a Duvolle is 34.1 giving the I think this is okay.

I especially like this bit where you disguise making the gap between newbies and proto-users even greater, seem like you're doing them a favour "feel like they are unlocking something".

Lulz.

@OP:

Updated numbers here: http://wiki.dust514.info/index.php?title=Assault_Rifle

I updated that 6 days ago from in-game Marketplace data. Some numbers have changed, just glancing briefly at your OP.

What I would have loved to see was a corresponding graph of AR kills superimposed over the flaylock graph.

Stats can be tricky that way and CCP didnt show a full picture, only what they wanted to "prove" their point.

Yes I go into matches with many flaylocks but more times than not only some players have them and other players have ar's snipers, mass drivers since their buff and scramblers. You see a few tacs still and some shotties. One laser and no plasma cannons.

Thats what I have seen over the past weeks and I play mostly every day.

More recoil for std AR.
More dispersion for Breach AR.
called keeping them in their niche

Don't know if you would add this under AR, but scrambler rifles should be a little more powergrid friendly IMO. Armor tanking takes more PG than shield tanking, and you'd think they'd want Amarr to be able to carry the scrambler rifle more than AR.

Please explain

In terms of armor plates at the different tier levels, the plates themselves take a bit more PG at the same tier (but less per HP). In terms of the modules that give you regen, repairers vs. regulators/recharger, the armor SUCKS-UP PG. This means to balance PG/CPU demand, a shield player would more likely go for the scrambler rifle because of its lower PG requirements.

Only thing that is wrong with standard AR is the clustering of hip fire is too tight, i know alot of people may see a larger cone as a buff to the weapon for CQC but what is happening now is the AR is almost able to put like 80% of its damage on a target up close while moving full speed due to the clustering or the cone of fire being small, this is the main reason it can out perform the SMG and HMG if the user is good at shooting they can put more bullets on target on other hand the SMG and HMG has a large cone of fire therefore more shots miss no matter how accuracy the user is.

This dispersion of bullets should be made wider as you move also, its possible that you can move a little to fast while aiming down sights a little too quick while having no effect on you weapon

As for the recoil thing to add this would put the weapon so out of balance that it would need sizable buff to damage so that it can kill people quickly enough so you dont have to re align about 7 times, also as far as iam concerned the weapon is fine at most ranges except close is a bit too effective it is also perhaps a little weak at medium pushing long range around 70m but i wright that off to being a plasma weapon and rail and projectile variants will likely be better over longer ranges.

This is coming from someone who uses AR almost exclusively.

1 flaw, u cant have tac ar have most recoil per shot if its a single shot weapon....u need to lower recoil or increase first shot recoil multiplier for standard AR. Burst AR n Tac AR should also get less damage drop off over distance in order to enphesise its long range role

breach AR is useless, has the lowest DPS of any of the assault rifles and the worst range to boot and is completely outperformed by the regular AR in all facets
burst AR is not worth using at all, it needs to be changed back to the 7 round burst it used to be so it's viable again.
regular AR is actually balanced but they're going to nerf range on it when the other AR types are released
loltacAR is also useless with joke DPS and recoil

Concerning the TAC, what would you change about it specifically? I'll add your other suggestions to the board

We could always give racial starters there racial weapons as in the Amaar get Scrambler Rifles, Gallente Assault Rifles, Caldari Gauss Rifle, etc. This would then extend to a min with md, a gal with shotgun, a ammar with laser starters etc.

oh lord jesus christ, they plan to ruin my beloved AR.

I see the AR needing no help. AR shouldn't even be in discussion IMO. But I fear that the attention you guys are trying to rally up will in no doubt change its efficiency. It's an AR, a basic assault rifle with some variations.

If it isn't broke, don't fix it. A good saying that should be applied here. Especially when you have a forum full of opportunists and nay sayers who will jump on this bandwagon just to jump on it.

The AR is a monster in the right hands. No buffs are needed when the player is skilled in using it.