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Shouper of BHD
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Posted - 2013.07.23 14:39:00 -
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I have lost so much ISK over the last few builds that I know have to play 5 battles in militia starter fits / beta gifts in order to use 1 of my ADS and I got to choose matches that seem like it can survive so avoided known AV guys.
so I`m kinda glad DS/ADS hauls will be cheapened but inless that WP awards for team actions comes back pilots won`t be gaining ISK or enough ISK to be stable, no they will still be going down quickly all that happened was its a few weeks later from bankruptcy. I`m not saying make them dirt cheap, or the turrets are to expensive, the modules are fine but we have no awards for specialization, no PRO modules, ADV-PRO vehicles and we are trying to balance against AV in their PRO stages so we are at a severe disadvantage and by the time we can start gaining ISK or at least barely loose any we will need to go on foot to get enough load-outs stocked prior to that.
So can we get a pilot event, I know there's little to no interest in pilots and there aren't to much pilots but I and a few others are the only 1s using logi DS roles, with this event we will have an increase of the other DS roles and it will pay back pilots and award tanks (who are about to get nerfed from the rumors) and it will help the troopers for spawn. So guys bear with me on this:
100,000k armor healed = 50x Prometheus 100,000k shields healed = 50x Eryhx 100 installation kills (not needing to be hostile) = 10 x XT Cycled, 10x XT Fragmented, 10x XT Accelerated, 10x XT normal role missile. 200 kills = 35 Pythons and 35 Incubus 150 kill Assists = 10x Scattered ION, 10x compressed ION, 10x stabilized ION and 10x ION blaster. 50 vehicle kill assists (as in same vehicle as killer) = 25x Myron, 25x Gruemnes. 20 vehicle kills 10 vehicle kill asssits (as in destruction assist) = 15x Compressed, 15x regulated and 15x normal PRO railguns. 100x CRU spawn (either built in or module) = 25x Eryhx and 25x Prometheus.
note these awards can only be received while you are in a dropship, so if you gun a dropship for a pilot you can revive the awards to if you accomplish the objectives.
ok so to answer a few questions that might be plegging you, PRO turrets are 220k while ADS are double that, so if you combine both the awards from objective #3 and #4 you have 70 ADS vs 50x PRO turrets. the installations are easier to achieve due to there numbers and trooper at time un awareness of an ADS destroying them so it make sense you gain more bang for the buck with the #4 objective.
the CRU spawns on some matches are hard to get, other times its the highlight so I thought 100x fit well. yes I`m aware logi DSes are shown a lot here and Logi DS are better for the gunners. now tot he 100,000k HP healed for shield and armor (seperite objectives) I heal tanks a lot and at time A2A DS/ADS and reaching that goal won`t be to hard, you can gain 5%-10% if you do good at it so 20 battles per objective for that.
the turrets are based on what they do best or at least should do best (>.> railguns).
idk if many of the other forumers will get it but pilots are in a financial crisis and many are good at what they do and some (I being 1 of them) are fully specced into them and there's no advantage of putting in 3-4 mill SP vs 10 mill SP. ISK and load-outs are running short as well. |
Vavilia Lysenko
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.23 14:51:00 -
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You missed the most important part of the event rewards?
1. What do us ground Mercs get for shooting you down?
2. Can I get something extra special for shooting the gunners out of a Dropship?
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Shouper of BHD
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Posted - 2013.07.23 14:53:00 -
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Vavilia Lysenko wrote:You missed the most important part of the event rewards?
1. What do us ground Mercs get for shooting you down?
2. Can I get something extra special for shooting the gunners out of a Dropship?
when were troopers in dier need except some more support from DS? and when on earth could DS get hacks and stuff? you guys can get the vehicle kills assists and stuff there won`t be trooper oriented objectives since you guys are doing fine ISK wise. |
Jaqen Morghalis
Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.07.23 14:54:00 -
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With my alt, I'v discovered very quickly that being a specialized Pilot is not only very expensive in ISK, but in SP as well.
Unless you want to be stuck in one of the basic Militia fits whenever you're NOT in a vehicle, you're stuck having to "double-specialize" by splitting your Skill Points between BOTH Vehicles AND Dropsuits, just to have some basic survival if/when your vehicle is destroyed. |
broonfondle majikthies
P.O.N.A.G.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.07.23 14:58:00 -
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Jaqen Morghalis wrote:With my alt, I'v discovered very quickly that being a specialized Pilot is not only very expensive in ISK, but in SP as well.
Unless you want to be stuck in one of the basic Militia fits whenever you're NOT in a vehicle, you're stuck having to "double-specialize" by splitting your Skill Points between BOTH Vehicles AND Dropsuits, just to have some basic survival if/when your vehicle is destroyed.
Exactly. I have to moonlight as a Logi to pay for my ridiculous dropship habit. Even not I'm sitting on a stash of SP I'd love to spend on better systems but am forced to try for the adv suit |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.07.23 15:20:00 -
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Screw that i stay with my derpship (viper). Seriously whats the point in dropships when i can do all tasks with a militia variant? |
Shouper of BHD
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:24:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:Screw that i stay with my derpship (viper). Seriously whats the point in dropships when i can do all tasks with a militia variant?
I`m fully aware you can accomplish MOST of this without speccing into it, its a lot harder, but what do you get as rewards? there's a broad spectrum there for different roles and specializations, again yes you can do this with militia stuff for the challenge but not a lot.
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Serimos Haeraven
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:26:00 -
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I've been fighting for this for ages; and to no avail.. oh, and BHD, ready for that duel yet? |
Serimos Haeraven
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:28:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:Screw that i stay with my derpship (viper). Seriously whats the point in dropships when i can do all tasks with a militia variant? Because anyone can take out your dumb little derpship viper with literally 4 shots from a proto fit Python, and i do it every single time there's an enemy DS in the air, lol. |
Shouper of BHD
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:34:00 -
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Serimos Haeraven wrote:I've been fighting for this for ages; and to no avail.. oh, and BHD, ready for that duel yet?
was playing yesterday and didn`t see you, just Jesusluvseveron. then there was another battle where there were 2 Myrons, 1 Eryhx and a Python but I was saving ISK and couldn`t call in my A2A Python :( we might have to Q synce to do it considering pubs at random, also what region are you in?
the thought is to get CCP thinking that they are doing the right thing to allow us to use less ISK and in the long run gain some with WPs but they need to know they have to get us out of the pit they dug us into, its not like we don`t know what we are doing and giving bad feedback I honestly don`t know why it took them so long but they need to fix it, and if they can start thinking of a way to get us some ISK to start out the next bright day then that's good. |
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Crimson Judgment
ROGUE SPADES EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:51:00 -
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im sorry but as a fellow dropship pilot i would love to see this happen but i would rather see a buff
but as of now this seems to be CCP's attitude toward vehicles in general
(if you don't get it the start is pretty much whats currently happening and around the end is this supposed 1.4 will be good for vehicle users) |
Shouper of BHD
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:56:00 -
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Crimson Judgment wrote:im sorry but as a fellow dropship pilot i would love to see this happen but i would rather see a buff but as of now this seems to be CCP's attitude toward vehicles in general (if you don't get it the start is pretty much whats currently happening and around the end is this supposed 1.4 will be good for vehicle users)
buffs are coming as I mentioned but its no use of it if we don`t have enough ISK to start out. |
Serimos Haeraven
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:37:00 -
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Shouper of BHD wrote:Serimos Haeraven wrote:I've been fighting for this for ages; and to no avail.. oh, and BHD, ready for that duel yet? was playing yesterday and didn`t see you, just Jesusluvseveron. then there was another battle where there were 2 Myrons, 1 Eryhx and a Python but I was saving ISK and couldn`t call in my A2A Python :( we might have to Q synce to do it considering pubs at random, also what region are you in? the thought is to get CCP thinking that they are doing the right thing to allow us to use less ISK and in the long run gain some with WPs but they need to know they have to get us out of the pit they dug us into, its not like we don`t know what we are doing and giving bad feedback I honestly don`t know why it took them so long but they need to fix it, and if they can start thinking of a way to get us some ISK to start out the next bright day then that's good. It's pretty clear that CCP actually does understand the pit they have put us in, all they have to do is analyze the statistics over DS pilots, and it's right there, and I'm sure they have. The only question is whether or not they will fix any of these issues soon, or far down the road, and that question is basically up in the air. And I am playing in the US so that's the region I'm in. And it's pretty hard to randomly find players in matches, I've done it around 3 times where i have found other members i recognize from the forums lol |
Nebra Tene
Roaming Blades
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Posted - 2013.07.23 18:21:00 -
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Serimos Haeraven wrote:The dark cloud wrote:Screw that i stay with my derpship (viper). Seriously whats the point in dropships when i can do all tasks with a militia variant? Because anyone can take out your dumb little derpship viper with literally 4 shots from a proto fit Python, and i do it every single time there's an enemy DS in the air, lol.
Then you get 1-shot by a FG, who lost more then? See one can lose these "dumb little derpships" multiple times during a game and it would still cost less than one proto fit python.
So even if your one expensive ship can shoot down a cheap one, unless you can make each one last multiple matches, its not gonna be worth it. MAYBE if you're an active PC player and only use them then, but outside of that, its probably best to go militia.
The problem is many pilots think they need to either ONLY be using the best more expensive fits, or only militia fits, when really they should be using both.
Just like infantry, unless you have the Isk to spare, you're not gonna spam proto fits every time in every single game, which altho yes, cheaper than vehicle fits, they can be lost a lot faster than a vehicle. (Unless the pilot is REALLY bad of course.)
Most infantry (that I'm aware of) have a cheap fit they go to when they don't want to lose or waste their expensive fit(s), something many other vehicle users in general don't seem to like doing. Its either use the top fit or not use a vehicle at all, which lets be honest, its just silly.
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Serimos Haeraven
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.07.23 18:25:00 -
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Nebra Tene wrote:Serimos Haeraven wrote:The dark cloud wrote:Screw that i stay with my derpship (viper). Seriously whats the point in dropships when i can do all tasks with a militia variant? Because anyone can take out your dumb little derpship viper with literally 4 shots from a proto fit Python, and i do it every single time there's an enemy DS in the air, lol. Then you get 1-shot by a FG, who lost more then? See one can lose these "dumb little derpships" multiple times during a game and it would still cost less than one proto fit python. So even if your one expensive ship can shoot down a cheap one, unless you can make each one last multiple matches, its not gonna be worth it. MAYBE if you're an active PC player and only use them then, but outside of that, its probably best to go militia. The problem is many pilots think they need to either ONLY be using the best more expensive fits, or only militia fits, when really they should be using both. Just like infantry, unless you have the Isk to spare, you're not gonna spam proto fits every time in every single game, which altho yes, cheaper than vehicle fits, they can be lost a lot faster than a vehicle. (Unless the pilot is REALLY bad of course.) Most infantry (that I'm aware of) have a cheap fit they go to when they don't want to lose or waste their expensive fit(s), something many other vehicle users in general don't seem to like doing. Its either use the top fit or not use a vehicle at all, which lets be honest, its just silly. you must be either new to dropships, or haven't fully skilled into proto-gear for them. I can take 5 shots from militia FG's, 2 from proto, and still take 1 from a proto-railgun tank and still escape. I lost an ADS about ever 1 out of 10 matches i play, and i have been making enough ISK to keep me balanced at around 7 mil constantly. My fuel injectors and proto shield resistance amplifiers allow me to not only take a proto-shot, but escape & avoid the next shot before they have time to fire it. So don't think that I am unskilled and don't know what I'm talking about when my proto-ds can stay alive for 10 matches in a row (i never am on the ground) without losing 1, even faced with railgun snipers and proto AV in the match, i can survive. |
Shouper of BHD
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Posted - 2013.07.23 18:53:00 -
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Serimos Haeraven wrote:Shouper of BHD wrote:Serimos Haeraven wrote:I've been fighting for this for ages; and to no avail.. oh, and BHD, ready for that duel yet? was playing yesterday and didn`t see you, just Jesusluvseveron. then there was another battle where there were 2 Myrons, 1 Eryhx and a Python but I was saving ISK and couldn`t call in my A2A Python :( we might have to Q synce to do it considering pubs at random, also what region are you in? the thought is to get CCP thinking that they are doing the right thing to allow us to use less ISK and in the long run gain some with WPs but they need to know they have to get us out of the pit they dug us into, its not like we don`t know what we are doing and giving bad feedback I honestly don`t know why it took them so long but they need to fix it, and if they can start thinking of a way to get us some ISK to start out the next bright day then that's good. It's pretty clear that CCP actually does understand the pit they have put us in, all they have to do is analyze the statistics over DS pilots, and it's right there, and I'm sure they have. The only question is whether or not they will fix any of these issues soon, or far down the road, and that question is basically up in the air. And I am playing in the US so that's the region I'm in. And it's pretty hard to randomly find players in matches, I've done it around 3 times where i have found other members i recognize from the forums lol Also, I'd be totally fine with dueling in like.... 3 hours from now? That's when I'll be online for a good while so any time after around 3 hours from now would work fine with me, One deal i make when i duel is whoever loses gets half of their DS cost payed for by the other participating pilot who won.
they are aware, its the biggest imbalance, but they go by what the forums complain about most, piloting doesn`t have a large spectrum of pilots and at times some aren't verbal, its increased since Uprising though and that started at the end of chromosome and they have slowly brought it up from the bottom of the to do list, CCP plays it to who can complain more in numbers rather then a logical imbalance, or the redline would have been fixed by now. |
Asirius Medaius
Planetary Response Organization
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Posted - 2013.07.23 19:05:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:Screw that i stay with my derpship (viper). Seriously whats the point in dropships when i can do all tasks with a militia variant?
Exactly. A militia fit Viper might stand a shot or two from a redline-sniping Raligun tank. Any other dropship better than that would crumble in 3 shots or less.
The difference between a Viper and any other dropship?
Hundreds of thousands of more isk for fit, and millions of SP to sink.
You are spending millions of SP and at least five times more isk on a dropship, just to have either a built-in CRU or about 3 to 5 seconds more time for your dropship to stay alive.
At this point, I think most dropship pilots can agree that CCP f**ked up pretty badly. My alt (which is only specced into ADS) agrees. Hell, I couldn't even fly anything on my alt until CCP introduced ISK transfers between people/characters. |
Degg Dreddger
Ninth Legion Freelance
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Posted - 2013.07.23 19:10:00 -
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They just need to make tracking on the homeing weapons a little worse so they are dodge able. But not terrible to the point where shooting down a dropship seems like a dream.
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Shouper of BHD
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:25:00 -
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Degg Dreddger wrote:They just need to make tracking on the homeing weapons a little worse so they are dodge able. But not terrible to the point where shooting down a dropship seems like a dream.
I was thinking the same thing but then it would mess up G2G swarms. |
Serimos Haeraven
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:38:00 -
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Asirius Medaius wrote:The dark cloud wrote:Screw that i stay with my derpship (viper). Seriously whats the point in dropships when i can do all tasks with a militia variant? Exactly. A militia fit Viper might stand a shot or two from a redline-sniping Raligun tank. Any other dropship better than that would crumble in 3 shots or less. The difference between a Viper and any other dropship? Hundreds of thousands of more isk for fit, and millions of SP to sink. You are spending millions of SP and at least five times more isk on a dropship, just to have either a built-in CRU or about 3 to 5 seconds more time for your dropship to stay alive. At this point, I think most dropship pilots can agree that CCP f**ked up pretty badly. My alt (which is only specced into ADS) agrees. Hell, I couldn't even fly anything on my alt until CCP introduced ISK transfers between people/characters. My dropship beats your viper because not only does it have better defense, its offense consists of 2 XT Missile launchers, which will make your viper look like a flying ship made of glass. The thing you have to anticipate for as well are other dropships who want to kill you, because i can't tell you the amount of Vipers i have destroyed in literally 4 shots from 1 missile launcher on my ds. |
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S Park Finner
BetaMax. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:38:00 -
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Folks, I looked pretty hard for some indication that changes in dropships were in active development by CCP. I didn't find any.
A couple of people in this thread have suggested there is something definitely in the pipeline. Could you guys point me to the references? |
Serimos Haeraven
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:40:00 -
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I think the big difference here is this: If you want to be an actual pilot, skill into the best proto-gear for the dropship you can, that includes the python or eryx which has an extrordinary amount more PG/CPU than those cheap militia fits.
However, if you want to be a casual, fly-this-to-a-roof-and-recal player: Fly a Viper, it's cheap, will get taken out in 1 shot from a railgun (seen it happen more than once) and is mainly there for just getting snipers and FG's up high to deploy uplinks for their buds, but if it gets engaged in combat, consider it out. |
Shouper of BHD
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:56:00 -
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S Park Finner wrote:Folks, I looked pretty hard for some indication that changes in dropships were in active development by CCP. I didn't find any.
A couple of people in this thread have suggested there is something definitely in the pipeline. Could you guys point me to the references?
CCP blam said (this is by memory, my apologies for not getting you the source) that CRU spawns will be getting WP, sensors will be getting WP but it might have to be a variant of them (that would be dumb, a variant to give you WP, really?) and triage (vehicle triage) is having trouble, they are trying to find a way to give WP without abusive/ exploitive mechanics and they are looking elsewhere rather then a cap since a cap is an issue.
idk the progress or the date that was posted or the source but it gives me hope. |
RedRebelCork
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.23 21:38:00 -
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Vehicle insurance? |
S Park Finner
BetaMax. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.07.23 22:13:00 -
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Shouper of BHD wrote:S Park Finner wrote:Folks, I looked pretty hard for some indication that changes in dropships were in active development by CCP. I didn't find any.
A couple of people in this thread have suggested there is something definitely in the pipeline. Could you guys point me to the references? CCP blam said (this is by memory, my apologies for not getting you the source) that CRU spawns will be getting WP, sensors will be getting WP but it might have to be a variant of them (that would be dumb, a variant to give you WP, really?) and triage (vehicle triage) is having trouble, they are trying to find a way to give WP without abusive/ exploitive mechanics and they are looking elsewhere rather then a cap since a cap is an issue. idk the progress or the date that was posted or the source but it gives me hope. That's the same set of things I read. Two things pop out. There is some indication that CCP_Blam is no longer working on DUST 514 -- his profiles on some sites suggest he may have left CCP all together. Second -- even the responses he made in May don't show any actual plan -- just some ideas he was interested in exploring.
Does anyone else have any information about actual plans to re-work dropships -- perhaps as part of a larger vehicle rework? It looks like CCP is chipping away at some problems with LAVs and HAVs but I have not heard anything about dropships.
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S Park Finner
BetaMax. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.07.23 22:55:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber said, in another thread, "Also I would like to note, CPM Kain Spearow is looking for veteran vehicle experts in both operators and tacticians, he's trying to cook something up that may get results pretty soon." So the CPM may be doing something to get CCP going on dropships. |
Shouper of BHD
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Posted - 2013.07.24 03:10:00 -
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