I believe the current flaylock should break into 2 variants,
these variants would consist with a more skilled powerful one and a weaker noob friendly variant.
Keep in mind the word ALMOST in the post in terms of it being balanced.

One variant would offer current damage rates but a one meter blast radius, this would offer higher damage in higher tiers.
The other variant would offer current radius rates but half the damage, this would have larger radius in higher tiers.

Keep in mind that most GN-13s will have a splash of around 1.72 where as the Core will have a splash of 2.5, thanks to +5% splash radius per level (3 for GN, 5 for Core)

So people kept saying that if you reduce the prototype flaylock splash radius to the GN-13 level it will be balanced.

So I took it to a ride and I think... they're almost right!
It took skill to land a shot, and that shot was rewarding.
It's a world of difference between 2 meters and 1.5 meters.

However, while yes it took more skill to use, but it's still comparatively easy to the SMG and pistol.
I think reducing the ROF to 1.5 rounds a second would be good. ( 90 RPM)


These two changes will hopefully fix this weapon while not making it useless.

I direct hit with a Proto Flaylock caused me 560+ damage... the fact is: its a secondary, no secondary should be able to be a one-hit-kill.

I direct hit with a Proto Flaylock caused me 560+ damage... the fact is: its a secondary, no secondary should be able to be a one-hit-kill.

Awww, you would Jenza, because you historically have been, are, and will continue to be a FOTW player. Nothing you can do about it, you are who you are.

I love the scrambler pistol and the flay lock. I use them both regularly. The flay lock is fun to use has some to little skill to use. But man the reason guns become op is because people complain to much . O the tac ar is to good. The hmg is to good o and right now the flay lock is to good . I stopped using the tac ar because it completely sucks ass and had to completely re teach my self how to use it. I Can tap r2 faster then bullet (plasma rounds) come out of the barrel. What I'm trying to say is its the one thing sheeple use right now I am one o them because its fun. When ever you but skills in to something it should get better and with the right mods a force to be reckoned with. Rather work as a team or spend your precious skills to F#*% win. Don't cry to ccp so they can spend there time to make the game better you you and take time away from making new weapons and gear ext.

I direct hit with a Proto Flaylock caused me 560+ damage... the fact is: its a secondary, no secondary should be able to be a one-hit-kill.

I direct hit with a Proto Flaylock caused me 560+ damage... the fact is: its a secondary, no secondary should be able to be a one-hit-kill.

Ever think of a suit with a ton of damage mods?

If they do both those changes it will be outdamaged by pretty much every other sidearm. Hell, there wouldn't be any reason to use it over the scrambler pistol.

I havent spec'd CORE yet,. but using the GN-13, it feels rewarding to get that kill with it, also, I feel that one is more of a "finisher".

Yeah, I've been using an alt with the GN-13 as a sidearm and it works beautifully for finishing off wounded players, which is what a sidearm should be all about.

It's damage should be toned back a bit, closer to the MD, but if CCP can manage to make the flaylock a real secondary weapon (used only for finishing off or as a last resort) then they will have done well. No sidearm should be as effective as a main unless a person puts the time and effort needed to make it work that way (which would be a skill thing, not a OP thing).

So people kept saying that if you reduce the prototype flaylock splash radius to the GN-13 level it will be balanced.

So I took it to a ride and I think... they're almost right!
It took skill to land a shot, and that shot was rewarding.
It's a world of difference between 2 meters and 1.5 meters.

However, while yes it took more skill to use, but it's still comparatively easy to the SMG and pistol.
I think reducing the ROF to 1.5 rounds a second would be good. ( 90 RPM)


These two changes will hopefully fix this weapon while not making it useless.

Keep in mind that most GN-13s will have a splash of around 1.72 where as the Core will have a splash of 2.5, thanks to +5% splash radius per level (3 for GN, 5 for Core)

Simple reduce the spash damage by half for all levels, take away the 5% bonus for each level, and two rounds per clip max. This would solve the insanity.

That's better than a tank's fragmented missiles...

I direct hit with a Proto Flaylock caused me 560+ damage... the fact is: its a secondary, no secondary should be able to be a one-hit-kill.

I know very little about the everyday trials and tribulations of tankers. I would like to point out, though, that a tank has unlimited ammo.

5 complex damage mods would do over 560 if the damage is 236 a round, not sure the direct damage so I used 236 as a guess .
I believe the regular direct hit is some where around that

Nerfing DPS would be more productive. Keep the Flaylock as an alpha strike weapon but lower the RoF so that it can't be spammed for cheap kills.

Scrambler and Bolt pistols say "Hi"

Made an alt for the flaylock.
Got it to level 4, was using the GN.
All militia gear but dual GN flaylocks.
Went 30+ in the academy easily for a few matches, graduated.
Went 15-25 kills with single digit deaths everytime in a few instant battles.
Deleted that abomination character.
The thing is ridiculous & OP as f***, if you cant r@pe hard with even the ADV one, then u blow at video games most likely.
Needs some serious rebalancing.

No sidearm should one shot you. Whats the sidearm rules my friends. I didn't know that a sidearm couldn't one shot you. Who said that it couldn't. The flaylock doesnt have near the range of the MD. It only holds 3 in a clip. I don't know why ppl cant quit crying and why the devs even bother to listen to you guys. I will come on here crying now. Sniff Sniff whaaaaaaa I want 120 clones in clone packs for PC cause we lost . Sniffle whaaaaaa Forge Guns have too much blast radius whaaaaaa. Snipers suck so bad. Sniff I need a tissue. OK whaaaaaa please nerf flaylocks cause I cant learn how to press my jump button in a sci fi shooter. I want to play Battlefield whaaaaaaaaa. Do all this stuff cause I cried like a little sissy baby and please let my auto AR still shoot crazy distances with no recoil. CCP realize please most ppl run auto ARs again and guess why that is. Its because you keep nerfing everything that can contend with them. Guess its back to getting AR rifled and then SMGed to death. Probably by Caldari suits because that's just the way it seems to be in this game.

Saying it's fine without explaining it and calling us whiners while we have proper explanation as to why it IS OP...
Hmm...
I wonder who to believe....

Hey Cosgar, what's your opinion on having pistols be DUST's "noob-tubes"? One for each race, each works differently but generally easy and rewarding to use.

Low skill to high power ratio weapons which work well with high mobility suits (to make up for the lack of range), but are generally out-performed by more skill requiring alternatives (for instance the SMG).

FYI Max damage from a single flaylock round is:
Direct hit: 239.8 * 1.15 * 1.313 = 361.1
Splash: 214.5 * 1.15 * 1.313 = 323.8

If you're only hitting armour then +20% for:
Direct: 433.32
Splash: 388.56

This include max proficiency and 5 stacking penalised damage mods (according to eve wiki). The 20% for armour is from the weapon profile/range dev blog.

Guess what Cat whatever. There will always be that overpowered gun. Nerf one then you have something else again right. Im just saying the flaylock pisses ppl off because of skilled users. Im sorry that you cant hit your jump button Cat whatever. If you get killed by a noob with a flaylock then you shouldn't be typing anything on here. You should be practicing in game because you need it. I haven't been killed by a flaylock more then 20 times since they came out. Now forge guns and mass drivers yeah. Auto ARs hell yeah. You don't have to give ppl data to understand how something works Cat Cat. Im there playing all the time too. Im not crying about them. Slightly OP yes but not as much as you guys act like it is. You just want to be safe again with what suits you best.

You are on here fighting for what you like by trying to murder a gun that you don't have tactics to avoid. Im on here fighting for a actual cool sidearm to stay good and still be used in this game. Do you really want it to go back to just scrambler pistols and smgs. Boring when compared to that mini missile sound. I do just as good using my SMG but the flaylock is way more fun.

Damage mods are another topic. Nerf them to 5, 3 and 2 percent and that would help this game a whole lot.

Damage mods are fine. They're the only advantage armor tankers have over shields right now because shields have to give up their tank to use them.

We already have this. Just about all the sidearms out DPS light weapons. I'd rather see the Plasma Cannon become an actual n00b tube. Buff all the variants' damage, make it easier to use, and slap a militia variant on the anti-armor starter fit. New players or ones not used to FPS get a fighting chance while veterans and good FPS players will use better weapons and tactics. Of course this means the plasma cannon will be the most hated weapon in the game, but for anyone with sense, they'll know it's a necessity and will have full nerf immunity.

Guess what Cat whatever. There will always be that overpowered gun. Nerf one then you have something else again right. Im just saying the flaylock pisses ppl off because of skilled users. Im sorry that you cant hit your jump button Cat whatever. If you get killed by a noob with a flaylock then you shouldn't be typing anything on here. You should be practicing in game because you need it. I haven't been killed by a flaylock more then 20 times since they came out. Now forge guns and mass drivers yeah. Auto ARs hell yeah. You don't have to give ppl data to understand how something works Cat Cat. Im there playing all the time too. Im not crying about them. Slightly OP yes but not as much as you guys act like it is. You just want to be safe again with what suits you best.

You are on here fighting for what you like by trying to murder a gun that you don't have tactics to avoid. Im on here fighting for a actual cool sidearm to stay good and still be used in this game. Do you really want it to go back to just scrambler pistols and smgs. Boring when compared to that mini missile sound. I do just as good using my SMG but the flaylock is way more fun.

[quote=Scheneighnay McBob]I have the advanced flaylock, and advanced SMG- I prefer to use the SMG.

There is no way that flaylocks are easier to use than SMGs- I just strafe, spray, and win with the SMG.[/quote

Finally somebody that realizes that the smg is still used more. It is still very powerful. Right now you have a blend of sidearms. Nerf the flaylock and you go back to smg wars.

SMG is the assault rifle of sidearms.
The rest are niche.