DUST Search - GameInformer Cries: Dust is "Pay-to-Win"?!

Rinzler XVII wrote:

RydogV wrote:

An article in the latest issue of GameInformer jabs at Dust 514's clunky mechanics, mediocre graphics, limited game modes and 'barely there' connectivity with EVE Online. It isn't anything we have not heard a dozen times before and while most is true to some extent we all deal with the game's limitations in our own way.

However, the author, who seems to have spent all of 20 min actually playing the game (apparently Dust 514 has 'hover tanks' and 'laser pistols') goes on to state that "the often derided, 'pay to win' scenario is definitely at play in Dust". He later claims, "the tie between in-game power and real-money purchases pushes the boundaries of what I'll accept in a competitive game."

Of course this is after he confuses readers by explaining the standard market like players have to regularly pay real money for items and "the sums of which aren't huge (on the order of pennies or less per use" and that "you can buy real-money currency from fellow players and acquire goods that way as well".

It is obvious this guy (Adam Biessener) spent all of 20 minutes in game but despite that, in the 14 months I have been playing Dust 514 I have NEVER felt like the game was 'Pay-to-Win'. Now I know a few questionable items have popped up on the market from time to time and CCP has generally addressed most issues when the players cry foul. But I was curious if other players really felt there was a significant 'Pay-to-Win' stigma attached to the game.

I for one say no. I play dozens of matches each week and I rarely find myself the victim of AUR weapons or equipment. Sure it is out there but I do not think any of it is tipping the balance of power or whatever the hell this guy thinks it's doing. I am pretty sure most major corps and alliances are using standard ISK variants in the majority of PC battles out there. Anyway...interested to hear what others have to say.

DUST514 is P2W Faster

Seeing as the main crutch of this game is how much SP you have then being able to spend real money to buy boosters to increase SP gain means you gain an advantage from spending money.

Being able to buy early access to higher tiered gear with lower skill requirements is P2W

The only way for a game to be truly not P2W would be for the cash shop to only sell customized avatars/aesthetic packs

Any advantage gained by spending money is P2W

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Guilbert 515 United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 12	Posted - 2013.07.22 08:59:00 - [61] - Quote Aythadis Smith wrote: Guilbert 515 wrote: Aythadis Smith wrote: Karazantor wrote: RydogV wrote: (apparently Dust 514 has 'hover tanks' and 'laser pistols') He didn't accidentally review PS2 and call it DUST did he Oh yeah, pay to win? Not really. Some of the grenades are pushing it but its not really a huge disadvantage. The biggest problem is more rubbish balancing. Flying tanks.... The OP'ness intrigues me ( that part would mean tanks worked...LoLtanks) Atleast one cant be overun by flying tanks, lets have the LAVs hover too...! If the bumper hits my dome, could this be considered a head shot? Only if your head explodes upon impact!
Dar Zenkoff Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 17	Posted - 2013.07.22 09:05:00 - [62] - Quote With Dust 514 you can't win, you can only pay.
Skipper Jones KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 878	Posted - 2013.10.20 02:28:00 - [63] - Quote bump
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 4	Posted - 2013.10.20 02:34:00 - [64] - Quote Hes basicaly right. I never saw game, where boosters is a must or you will have grind from inner circle of hell. Mechanix are teribad too. Graphis meh. Glitches. Bugs. No proxy. Invisible wall and many many more. Thats Bust 514.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 727	Posted - 2013.10.20 02:47:00 - [65] - Quote gameinformer is still a magazine? that's just sad. weren't they involved in 'review-gate'?
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 4	Posted - 2013.10.20 02:55:00 - [66] - Quote low genius wrote: gameinformer is still a magazine? that's just sad. weren't they involved in 'review-gate'? Boyo same story was with ign, they told basicaly same. And to be honest i feel these issues too.
Tectonious Falcon The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 736	Posted - 2013.10.20 03:15:00 - [67] - Quote I've never spent money on Dust and back when I was playing more competitively ( more CB's and then PC's than pub matches at one point) I managed to hold a 5.00 K/D which isn't the best but isn't terrible either. Sure there has been a couple of p2w items in the past, but if you know what you're doing then skill > aurum.
Rinzler XVII Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 146	Posted - 2013.10.20 13:31:00 - [68] - Quote RydogV wrote: An article in the latest issue of GameInformer jabs at Dust 514's clunky mechanics, mediocre graphics, limited game modes and 'barely there' connectivity with EVE Online. It isn't anything we have not heard a dozen times before and while most is true to some extent we all deal with the game's limitations in our own way. However, the author, who seems to have spent all of 20 min actually playing the game (apparently Dust 514 has 'hover tanks' and 'laser pistols') goes on to state that "the often derided, 'pay to win' scenario is definitely at play in Dust". He later claims, "the tie between in-game power and real-money purchases pushes the boundaries of what I'll accept in a competitive game." Of course this is after he confuses readers by explaining the standard market like players have to regularly pay real money for items and "the sums of which aren't huge (on the order of pennies or less per use" and that "you can buy real-money currency from fellow players and acquire goods that way as well". It is obvious this guy (Adam Biessener) spent all of 20 minutes in game but despite that, in the 14 months I have been playing Dust 514 I have NEVER felt like the game was 'Pay-to-Win'. Now I know a few questionable items have popped up on the market from time to time and CCP has generally addressed most issues when the players cry foul. But I was curious if other players really felt there was a significant 'Pay-to-Win' stigma attached to the game. I for one say no. I play dozens of matches each week and I rarely find myself the victim of AUR weapons or equipment. Sure it is out there but I do not think any of it is tipping the balance of power or whatever the hell this guy thinks it's doing. I am pretty sure most major corps and alliances are using standard ISK variants in the majority of PC battles out there. Anyway...interested to hear what others have to say. DUST514 is P2W Faster Seeing as the main crutch of this game is how much SP you have then being able to spend real money to buy boosters to increase SP gain means you gain an advantage from spending money. Being able to buy early access to higher tiered gear with lower skill requirements is P2W The only way for a game to be truly not P2W would be for the cash shop to only sell customized avatars/aesthetic packs Any advantage gained by spending money is P2W
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 496	Posted - 2013.10.20 14:04:00 - [69] - Quote Eurydice Itzhak wrote: RydogV wrote: An article in the latest issue of GameInformer jabs at Dust 514's clunky mechanics, mediocre graphics, limited game modes and 'barely there' connectivity with EVE Online. It isn't anything we have not heard a dozen times before and while most is true to some extent we all deal with the game's limitations in our own way. However, the author, who seems to have spent all of 20 min actually playing the game (apparently Dust 514 has 'hover tanks' and 'laser pistols') goes on to state that "the often derided, 'pay to win' scenario is definitely at play in Dust". He later claims, "the tie between in-game power and real-money purchases pushes the boundaries of what I'll accept in a competitive game." Of course this is after he confuses readers by explaining the standard market like players have to regularly pay real money for items and "the sums of which aren't huge (on the order of pennies or less per use" and that "you can buy real-money currency from fellow players and acquire goods that way as well". It is obvious this guy (Adam Biessener) spent all of 20 minutes in game but despite that, in the 14 months I have been playing Dust 514 I have NEVER felt like the game was 'Pay-to-Win'. Now I know a few questionable items have popped up on the market from time to time and CCP has generally addressed most issues when the players cry foul. But I was curious if other players really felt there was a significant 'Pay-to-Win' stigma attached to the game. I for one say no. I play dozens of matches each week and I rarely find myself the victim of AUR weapons or equipment. Sure it is out there but I do not think any of it is tipping the balance of power or whatever the hell this guy thinks it's doing. I am pretty sure most major corps and alliances are using standard ISK variants in the majority of PC battles out there. Anyway...interested to hear what others have to say. You can fit aur tanks better than regular tanks because they have more CPU. You can buy grenades with real money that cannot be obtained with isk. P2w. you can think that you can fit aur tanks better but if you do then you are deluded somehow...not one aur vehicle is better than a specced madrugar...and if you made this statement based on the creodron breach hav..you are a fool
RydogV Shadow Company HQ 457	Posted - 2013.10.20 14:05:00 - [70] - Quote Rinzler XVII wrote: DUST514 is P2W Faster Seeing as the main crutch of this game is how much SP you have then being able to spend real money to buy boosters to increase SP gain means you gain an advantage from spending money. Being able to buy early access to higher tiered gear with lower skill requirements is P2W The only way for a game to be truly not P2W would be for the cash shop to only sell customized avatars/aesthetic packs Any advantage gained by spending money is P2W Your point is valid to a degree. The boosters certainly show there is a inherent bonus to spending a little money depending upon how serious you are about the game. And AURUM based gear and equipment generally does provide a bonus to efficiency or performance. All true statements. But the way I tend to determine if there is a Pay to Win stigma in the game is if those bonuses ultimately translate into a unique advantage that cannot be obtained through other means. I believe in the case of Dust 514 they do not. Whatever advantage you get from spending money in Dust 514 can also be provided to another player by simply playing the game more.

Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 1707	Posted - 2013.10.20 14:07:00 - [71] - Quote I hereby rename "Game Informer" to "Game Misinformer"... let the good times roll.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7061	Posted - 2013.10.20 14:08:00 - [72] - Quote Boosters really don't belong in this game at all. They think BPOs are damaging the game lol.
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 496	Posted - 2013.10.20 14:10:00 - [73] - Quote Rinzler XVII wrote: RydogV wrote: An article in the latest issue of GameInformer jabs at Dust 514's clunky mechanics, mediocre graphics, limited game modes and 'barely there' connectivity with EVE Online. It isn't anything we have not heard a dozen times before and while most is true to some extent we all deal with the game's limitations in our own way. However, the author, who seems to have spent all of 20 min actually playing the game (apparently Dust 514 has 'hover tanks' and 'laser pistols') goes on to state that "the often derided, 'pay to win' scenario is definitely at play in Dust". He later claims, "the tie between in-game power and real-money purchases pushes the boundaries of what I'll accept in a competitive game." Of course this is after he confuses readers by explaining the standard market like players have to regularly pay real money for items and "the sums of which aren't huge (on the order of pennies or less per use" and that "you can buy real-money currency from fellow players and acquire goods that way as well". It is obvious this guy (Adam Biessener) spent all of 20 minutes in game but despite that, in the 14 months I have been playing Dust 514 I have NEVER felt like the game was 'Pay-to-Win'. Now I know a few questionable items have popped up on the market from time to time and CCP has generally addressed most issues when the players cry foul. But I was curious if other players really felt there was a significant 'Pay-to-Win' stigma attached to the game. I for one say no. I play dozens of matches each week and I rarely find myself the victim of AUR weapons or equipment. Sure it is out there but I do not think any of it is tipping the balance of power or whatever the hell this guy thinks it's doing. I am pretty sure most major corps and alliances are using standard ISK variants in the majority of PC battles out there. Anyway...interested to hear what others have to say. DUST514 is P2W Faster Seeing as the main crutch of this game is how much SP you have then being able to spend real money to buy boosters to increase SP gain means you gain an advantage from spending money. Being able to buy early access to higher tiered gear with lower skill requirements is P2W The only way for a game to be truly not P2W would be for the cash shop to only sell customized avatars/aesthetic packs Any advantage gained by spending money is P2W the fact that a mlt forge can insta pop a full aur suit just as easy as a isk one makes this not pay to win...you only win if your good...maybe pay to get ahead faster...but the gear you get with aur=to their isk based item ...minus the fact that by spending aur to get the item earlier you have no skill bonus what soever applied to the item. no aur suit purchased by someone not already specced into the gear for isk form use will ever compare to someone who is specced...the core skills and skills you upgrade to unlock gear isk wise greatly effect your suits overall fitting ability and combat ability. so really no its not pay to win...its pay to get ahead faster and to have pretty suits that will never match up to veteran specced suits untill you have taken the time...dont hate the people who spend aur on anything other than boosters and bpo's pitty them.
HYENAKILLER X team shinobi 304	Posted - 2013.10.20 14:29:00 - [74] - Quote Ive said it before and ill say it again. Game informer is trash. Cant even read the effin thing anymore. I literally get it in the mail. Look at it once and leave it where I fiund it.
Ripcord19981 KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 119	Posted - 2013.10.20 14:48:00 - [75] - Quote i have never paid a single cent for this game (mostly cuz up a 14 year old whos parents are asian leading to other complications in gaming) but i still manage to get 15-20/1-6 most games. And it feels good when u own a dude with aurum weapons knowing that u cost he/she real money
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 1708	Posted - 2013.10.20 14:56:00 - [76] - Quote RydogV wrote: Your point is valid to a degree. The boosters certainly show there is a inherent bonus to spending a little money depending upon how serious you are about the game. And AURUM based gear and equipment generally does provide a bonus to efficiency or performance. All true statements. But the way I tend to determine if there is a Pay to Win stigma in the game is if those bonuses ultimately translate into a unique advantage that cannot be obtained through other means. I believe in the case of Dust 514 they do not. Whatever advantage you get from spending money in Dust 514 can also be provided to another player by simply playing the game more. This is critical. This is a free to play game... and there will have to be reasons for people to pay for things. While some folks may pay for the ability to customize things and others may pay for a respec many will probably pay for a reduction in the time it takes to max out a skill tree. Now, just because one person fills out a skill tree faster it does not in fact allow that person to stay ahead of you in that skill tree -- as once it is done you can catch up without paying a cent. In essence, paying for boosters will allow you to access a wider variety of equipment and play styles faster. However, it doesn't give you access to things you can get without paying. If this game were truly play to win you'd either really hear about it or simply find the place filled with crickets.
Sky Kage Last Word Productions 1	Posted - 2013.10.20 15:11:00 - [77] - Quote I just wanted to say that Dust 514 is probably the best FPS i've played in long time. I went from Call of Duty(not calling it cod.. its a game, not a fish.), to battlefield and then now i'm here with you guys. Call of duty's "kill everyone and be rambo" style of play was fun, but it was a bit too repetative for me. battlefield really is a great game, but i'm really not a fan of "present day" games, the more far stretched and futuristc it is, the more i love it. The skill tree is great, i've litteraly made maybe a dozen alts, got them to 1m sp and deleted them over and over again just to go a different route on the many roads of the skill highway we have. I honestly believe the passive sp is a bit much, i don't its fair if you log out and log back in 2 months later and you have 1.2m skillpoints to tinker with when you did absolutlely nothing to earn it, maybe turn the passive off after a week of inactivity would be more realistic in my eyes. Pay to win? your kidding right? that guy must be on drugs to believe that, i've been playing dust for 3 months now and i have not spent a dime on this game. i currently have 3.7m total sp points and i did what any normal person would do. I had fun with the game, so what you died alot? In Oblivion or Morrowind when you fought that guy decked out in full ebony armour or in Diablo 2 when you when toe to toe with mephisto or diablo himself, did you think you had much of a chance in fighting them without skill? I can kill proto users with milita gear, but its not easy and requires teamwork , my pal goes in front of the guy and peppers him with the SMG while i sneak up and unload a clip into his/her Proto head. it works(half of the time) and if people knew what being a team was, then we would not have these games where the enemy is literally ripped a new one. This one game i played last night, and the enemy had a 9k armour tank so me and my squad mates were doing horriblely and i saw that one of the blueberrys had spawned a tank(cheap milita) and i ordered my squad to defend that tank and while they distracted the bloody thing so me and my mate could chuck all 6 of our AV grenades at the bastard and guess what? we killed it and won the match with only 24 clones left while they had 103. teamwork is a game changer. Dust 514 is FREE, don't complain about something your being aloud to use without any cost. sure there are glitches... so what? some of them are absolutley hilarious to be honest. i had placed a droplink up in ambush match and the thing ended up spawning people 500 feet up in the air like the MCC, hlaf of the people didn't noticed what was happening and became pancakes on the battlegrounds floor. (one after another, splat splat splat.)
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 1708	Posted - 2013.10.20 15:17:00 - [78] - Quote Sky Kage wrote: Dust 514 is FREE, don't complain about something your being aloud to use without any cost. sure there are glitches... so what? some of them are absolutley hilarious to be honest. i had placed a droplink up in ambush match and the thing ended up spawning people 500 feet up in the air like the MCC, hlaf of the people didn't noticed what was happening and became pancakes on the battlegrounds floor. (one after another, splat splat splat.) Some of the more memorable parts of the game start as an annoying glitch, or game feature, that chaps your ass a few too many times. Murder taxi 514 was a royal pain in the arse... but funny as hell in retrospect. I don't want it back and I hated getting run over by idiots on either team but I still got a kick out of it. Jumping out of the MCC to discover lag you hadn't see during the last two hours... spamming the inertial dampeners.... only to get the splat animation at the end... haahahhaha. It sucks... but come on, its comedy gold.
Sky Kage Last Word Productions 1	Posted - 2013.10.20 15:24:00 - [79] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: Sky Kage wrote: Dust 514 is FREE, don't complain about something your being aloud to use without any cost. sure there are glitches... so what? some of them are absolutley hilarious to be honest. i had placed a droplink up in ambush match and the thing ended up spawning people 500 feet up in the air like the MCC, hlaf of the people didn't noticed what was happening and became pancakes on the battlegrounds floor. (one after another, splat splat splat.) Some of the more memorable parts of the game start as an annoying glitch, or game feature, that chaps your ass a few too many times. Murder taxi 514 was a royal pain in the arse... but funny as hell in retrospect. I don't want it back and I hated getting run over by idiots on either team but I still got a kick out of it. Jumping out of the MCC to discover lag you hadn't see during the last two hours... spamming the inertial dampeners.... only to get the splat animation at the end... haahahhaha. It sucks... but come on, its comedy gold. ^----this guy knows whatts up.
Joel II X AHPA 50	Posted - 2013.10.20 15:30:00 - [80] - Quote Pay to win because of some of the AUR exclusive items and boosters lol

Sky Kage Last Word Productions 1	Posted - 2013.10.20 15:46:00 - [81] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Pay to win because of some of the AUR exclusive items and boosters lol boosters don't make a person. you earn 50% more sp then me? so? you still have the weekly cap so when you run out of xp and i still have 60k left? the only thing actually worth getting as a booster is the passive boosters and they are still not needed.
XxGhazbaranxX The New Age Outlaws 431	Posted - 2013.10.20 16:34:00 - [82] - Quote LoL someone saying dust is pay to win. I have read dozens of articles about dust being this and that and each and everyone looks like someone wen t online, watched a couple of videos, talked to some "real" scrubs and then made the article. I read in one about payer trading and such... made me laugh so hard. I smell foul play TBH. Dust, even though we talk **** about it, is being noticed. And some people don't like it. I wouldn't be surprised if it where corporate sabotage just to make the game fail somme of the big companies have an interest in it to fail because if it succeeds it's the end for mediocre point and shoot games that have absolutely no depth. It would be naive to not admit that the game has flaws and to be honest i've even come in and blasted dust and it's devs a couple of times here in the forums, but no one gets to point out the flaws of the game except the actual players that are invested in the game and actually know about it's ins and outs.
Blackie 71 Ground Pounders Inc. 20	Posted - 2013.10.20 16:41:00 - [83] - Quote On what planet do you spend much of your time? This game is very PTW and, as Game Informer has stated on several occasions, calling something a Beta with an open cash shop is disingenuous in the extreme. As far a playing for 20 minutes is concerned. I think that is probably about the average playing time for most people who download the game. After 20 minutes it becomes obvious that there is no actual content beyond getting stomped by players who have been boosting and buying aurum gear since last feb.
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1670	Posted - 2013.10.20 16:47:00 - [84] - Quote XxGhazbaranxX wrote: LoL someone saying dust is pay to win. I have read dozens of articles about dust being this and that and each and everyone looks like someone wen t online, watched a couple of videos, talked to some "real" scrubs and then made the article. I read in one about payer trading and such... made me laugh so hard. I smell foul play TBH. Dust, even though we talk **** about it, is being noticed. And some people don't like it. I wouldn't be surprised if it where corporate sabotage just to make the game fail somme of the big companies have an interest in it to fail because if it succeeds it's the end for mediocre point and shoot games that have absolutely no depth. It would be naive to not admit that the game has flaws and to be honest i've even come in and blasted dust and it's devs a couple of times here in the forums, but no one gets to point out the flaws of the game except the actual players that are invested in the game and actually know about it's ins and outs. Once the player market opens up and aur items are available to everybody (including boosters - you know people will boosters and sell them for ISK if the price is right. Just look at PLEX.) the last vestiges of complaints of P2W will go away.
XxGhazbaranxX The New Age Outlaws 431	Posted - 2013.10.20 16:48:00 - [85] - Quote Blackie 71 wrote: On what planet do you spend much of your time? This game is very PTW and, as Game Informer has stated on several occasions, calling something a Beta with an open cash shop is disingenuous in the extreme. As far a playing for 20 minutes is concerned. I think that is probably about the average playing time for most people who download the game. After 20 minutes it becomes obvious that there is no actual content beyond getting stomped by players who have been boosting and buying aurum gear since last feb. Pay to win means that you pay and win. In dust every item is available either for aurum or isk. No Pay to win. I can use any item I choose to without aurum and have been doing soo all the time. There is nothing in the game that is more powerful than their isk equivalent. Even contact grenades have been leveled and they all have their isk equivalent. I call you out. Tell me one thing that is pay to win that cannot be gained throuugh i game isk. Apart from BPO's which have the same stats as in game items. And are not pay to win. And yes game informer warned about beta games but DUST IS NOT IN BETA
Blackie 71 Ground Pounders Inc. 20	Posted - 2013.10.20 16:54:00 - [86] - Quote XxGhazbaranxX wrote: Blackie 71 wrote: On what planet do you spend much of your time? This game is very PTW and, as Game Informer has stated on several occasions, calling something a Beta with an open cash shop is disingenuous in the extreme. As far a playing for 20 minutes is concerned. I think that is probably about the average playing time for most people who download the game. After 20 minutes it becomes obvious that there is no actual content beyond getting stomped by players who have been boosting and buying aurum gear since last feb. Pay to win means that you pay and win. In dust every item is available either for aurum or isk. No Pay to win. I can use any item I choose to without aurum and have been doing soo all the time. There is nothing in the game that is more powerful than their isk equivalent. Even contact grenades have been leveled and they all have their isk equivalent. I call you out. Tell me one thing that is pay to win that cannot be gained throuugh i game isk. Apart from BPO's which have the same stats as in game items. And are not pay to win. And yes game informer warned about beta games but DUST IS NOT IN BETA Boosters. [drops mic]
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 4518	Posted - 2013.10.20 16:58:00 - [87] - Quote Skipper Jones wrote: bump Someone here has a case of necrophilia.
XxGhazbaranxX The New Age Outlaws 431	Posted - 2013.10.20 16:59:00 - [88] - Quote Blackie 71 wrote: XxGhazbaranxX wrote: Blackie 71 wrote: On what planet do you spend much of your time? This game is very PTW and, as Game Informer has stated on several occasions, calling something a Beta with an open cash shop is disingenuous in the extreme. As far a playing for 20 minutes is concerned. I think that is probably about the average playing time for most people who download the game. After 20 minutes it becomes obvious that there is no actual content beyond getting stomped by players who have been boosting and buying aurum gear since last feb. Pay to win means that you pay and win. In dust every item is available either for aurum or isk. No Pay to win. I can use any item I choose to without aurum and have been doing soo all the time. There is nothing in the game that is more powerful than their isk equivalent. Even contact grenades have been leveled and they all have their isk equivalent. I call you out. Tell me one thing that is pay to win that cannot be gained throuugh i game isk. Apart from BPO's which have the same stats as in game items. And are not pay to win. And yes game informer warned about beta games but DUST IS NOT IN BETA Boosters. [drops mic] Booster are in no way Pay to win. You get ore sills earlier on but after that it's all skill. I play with people that dont have boosters and still grape face with militia items. I Have a friend that when he started 5 day old character and with his militia scout and shtgun would 15 kills and 3 deaths. If you are mad at someone because they have more skillpoints then it's on you for being a horrible player that thinks skillpoints makes the merc.
Obodiah Garro Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 435	Posted - 2013.10.20 17:03:00 - [89] - Quote Well lets see... Dusts mechanics are clunky if not all out terrible the graphics suck balls, the environments in particular are woefully pathetic we have like 2 actual different game modes and there is no eve online connectively, OBs do not count for ****. Dust is clearly pay to win, how using RL advances you astronomically quicker than just playing the game is insane. Better equipment/skills = better chances everytime. So um, its true whats the problem? And i still play this crap xD Addiction baby.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 627	Posted - 2013.10.20 17:57:00 - [90] - Quote Is money of any kind involved? Yes, it's play to win. Those who can shore up more money cna continue to spam proto on the poor.



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