Not assault rifles, not flaylocks pistol, not scrambles rifles, not scrambles pistols, not submachine guns, not laser rifles, not mass drivers, not plasma cannon, not nova knifes, not remote explosives, not sniper rifles, not forge guns, not LAVs, not HAVs, not Dropships, not shotguns, not swarm launchers, not heavy machine guns.

EoN plays for the honor so we just fight with our hands, and of course, with Caldari Logi.

How do you know what Eon plays for? RnD has been in the alliance for what like a week?

How do you know what Eon plays for? RnD has been in the alliance for what like a week?

I won't be able to make it.

Good luck guys, will be another fun night tonight no-matter what the results are. Although one thing is for sure, this will be quite a fight

No rules...just ball out.

So there will be ringers? Not a deal...just wondering.

I do not know what ringers you're referring to, but we will have some alliance guys with us. I highly doubt we have 16 Se\7eN guys on. No matter, no one in our alliance can be considered a "ringer" in my definition of the word. I think most--if not all--would laugh at being called that. :)

There will only be 1-2 "ringers" (why are they called that?) in this match, mainly because we bring elements to the battle that weren't necessarily there before. Our alliance plays a pretty big role in wanting to squeeze the best of the ally players to help progress our ally corps further up the chain. I was also present in The General's PC fightclub match as well.

See, but "clan" is a purely non-DUST expression. games with clans don't have alliances. I'd argue that anyone in Top Men is part of my "clan".

For example, I wouldn't advocate any of our players bringing in people from outside Top Men to a Fight Club fight. But inside the alliance, I see nothing different between just one corp in the alliance and mixing corps in the alliance.

See, I wholeheartedly disagree that corp = clan. This is a very different environment.

Top men as an alliance functions very much as you guys are describing clans, there is no significant distance between our corps.Every fight involving top men corporations is just assumed to be an alliance thing as that's our mindset.

Great game everyone, hopefully we'll get a chance to face off against you again soon.

But if you guys dont feel separate from each other.....why not merge into one corp?

Why not take all 50 US states and merge them? I mean, when the United States deploys troops, it's not like we specify "Well, these are our Arkansas troops, and these are our New York troops."

I don't think you can "declare war" on a single corp of our alliance either. What EVE calls a "coalition" is more close to what you're thinking of as say... allied countries in this analogy. EoN and LoI were at war, not two corps within them. Note that in New Eden, you cannot declare war on a corporation that is part of an alliance. If a corp is part of an alliance, you have to declare war on the alliance.

I'm not disputing the "factual definition" of ringers in FPS gaming, I'm saying you're applying the definition incorrectly.

Personally i believe the entire debate over "ringers" is far over-drawn. Allies help allies, no matter what. (at least ours do). Call it what you will, whatever you'd like is fine.

No, I don't give two craps, either. But I think this is a good conversation for everyone on PFC to read. I think a lot of people have a different thing in mind when they hear "ringers." I think back to The Simpsons' episode where Burns hires all those MLB All-Stars to play in his company softball game.

I do feel like Se\7eN is some joint being passed around at the EoN BBQ. Puff, puff, give! But keep the battles coming; we won't back down from anyone and will continue to fight, no matter how bad the battle goes.