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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.07.20 13:54:00 -
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No rules...just ball out. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.07.20 15:15:00 -
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Serimos Haeraven wrote:Good luck guys, will be another fun night tonight no-matter what the results are. Although one thing is for sure, this will be quite a fight 
So there will be ringers? Not a deal...just wondering. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.20 15:39:00 -
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kiarbanor wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Serimos Haeraven wrote:Good luck guys, will be another fun night tonight no-matter what the results are. Although one thing is for sure, this will be quite a fight So there will be ringers? Not a deal...just wondering. I do not know what ringers you're referring to, but we will have some alliance guys with us. I highly doubt we have 16 Se\7eN guys on. No matter, no one in our alliance can be considered a "ringer" in my definition of the word. I think most--if not all--would laugh at being called that. :)
Anyone outside of the corp are ringers. But again..it's not a deal. I don't care who you guys bring in, I will just alert my guys that anyone could be in the match.
I just thought fight club was your corp only....that's why I asked. Since, I'm not going to be on, I dont know who's going to be on for us but I would've told them to play just Ahrendee, even if we're short. But now, I'll tell them to fill slots just in case we don't have 16. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.21 00:35:00 -
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Again...I don't care if you bring in ringers. I'll just let my guys know that ringers are allowed. I'm not online so I can't grab people to play in the battle that aren't signed on. So, if my guys are short, I'll tell them to fill the slots instead of playing short. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
1618
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Posted - 2013.07.21 04:36:00 -
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The definition of a ringer is simple. A ringer is someone who is not a member of a clan that is participating in a clan battle. Or, they can be someone who recently joined a clan for the sole purpose of playing in a scheduled clan battle...and usually leaves after the clan battle.
In other games, ringing is frowned upon, but in Dust it is accepted. My only thing is that I thought that since fight club isn't about conquering and defending districts, I thought that corps would have full teams. But I guess, fight club is really just about having battles. It makes no difference to me but that's what I thought. So, even if we came up short on the roster, we would just cue how many are online...win or lose. But since ringing is acceptable on fight club as well, then we'll just fill slots if we're short. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
1618
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Posted - 2013.07.21 06:18:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:See, but "clan" is a purely non-DUST expression. games with clans don't have alliances. I'd argue that anyone in Top Men is part of my "clan".
For example, I wouldn't advocate any of our players bringing in people from outside Top Men to a Fight Club fight. But inside the alliance, I see nothing different between just one corp in the alliance and mixing corps in the alliance.
clan and corp is the same thing. I can replace the word clan with corp in my definition and ringer will mean the same thing.
Top Men is an alliance of corps (clans) and, therefore, not one corp. The only way that it wouldn't be considered a ringer is if a battle is set up to be an alliance battle. So, if we set up a match and call it EoN vs Top Men, then players in Top Men in that battle wouldn't be considered ringers. In this case, someone that's outside of Top Men participating in the battle would be considered a ringer. But if a battle is set up between RND and Seven, then anyone not in RND or Seven that participates is a ringer. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.21 10:56:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:See, I wholeheartedly disagree that corp = clan. This is a very different environment.
saying that a corp isn't a clan is like saying that a guild isn't a clan. My clan with tag, RND, migrated to Dust and is called corporation "Ahrendee". |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
1619
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Posted - 2013.07.21 16:38:00 -
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Villanor Aquarius wrote:Top men as an alliance functions very much as you guys are describing clans, there is no significant distance between our corps.Every fight involving top men corporations is just assumed to be an alliance thing as that's our mindset.
Great game everyone, hopefully we'll get a chance to face off against you again soon.
I can understand the mindset but definition of ringer still holds. Because you do agree that Deep Space and Seven are separate cops, correct? And if they are separate, then that means one corp rings for another.
But if you guys dont feel separate from each other.....why not merge into one corp? |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
1620
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Posted - 2013.07.21 19:19:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:But if you guys dont feel separate from each other.....why not merge into one corp? Why not take all 50 US states and merge them? I mean, when the United States deploys troops, it's not like we specify "Well, these are our Arkansas troops, and these are our New York troops."
What? That's such a fail example. US states aren't "allied" with each other. I mean, unless you feel that NY and California has the same relationship as US and UK during WWII.
When a country declares war on us, they don't declare war on NYS, they declare war on USA. We didn't declare war or challenged Top Men. We challenged Seven to a match that had nothing to do with PC districts.
But I'm not going to continue this further because I see where this is going. You guys are disputing the factual definition of ringers as far as fps gaming is concerned......and at the same time, I didn't even care that you guys used them. I just asked if you guys were going to use them so then I know that it is ok for us to use them if we were short (which we were). |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.21 22:09:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:I don't think you can "declare war" on a single corp of our alliance either. What EVE calls a "coalition" is more close to what you're thinking of as say... allied countries in this analogy. EoN and LoI were at war, not two corps within them. Note that in New Eden, you cannot declare war on a corporation that is part of an alliance. If a corp is part of an alliance, you have to declare war on the alliance.
I'm not disputing the "factual definition" of ringers in FPS gaming, I'm saying you're applying the definition incorrectly.
Now, I understand what's going on..you guys are Eve players.
In fps gaming, if we challenged Seven to a battle....and Deep Space players show up, then Deep Space players are ringing. Fightclub is just set for friendly skirmishes/battles. FCP isn't for conquering districts.
If we declared war on Seven/Top Men, then we would be fighting on your districts outside of fightclub. Send a pm or ask any fps gamer if I am applying the term, ringer, "incorrectly". |
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.07.22 00:34:00 -
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Serimos Haeraven wrote:Personally i believe the entire debate over "ringers" is far over-drawn. Allies help allies, no matter what. (at least ours do). Call it what you will, whatever you'd like is fine.
Exactly....from the start, I said that I didn't care. And I think that by my using the word, "ringer" may have been interpreted as if I was degrading Top Men.
I really only continued the conversation just to enlighten those that didn't know what a ringer is. Because someone from Top Men in this thread said, "ok, this is a good discussion to determine what a ringer truly is". When I find the quote, I'll post it here. And that has really been my whole point.
Edit: Here's the quote and this is why I actually kept the conversation going because it seemed like some in the thread wasn't sure what a ringer is.
kiarbanor wrote:No, I don't give two craps, either. But I think this is a good conversation for everyone on PFC to read. I think a lot of people have a different thing in mind when they hear "ringers." I think back to The Simpsons' episode where Burns hires all those MLB All-Stars to play in his company softball game.
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