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hooc order Deep Space Republic Top Men. 730	Posted - 2013.07.19 21:42:00 - [1] - Quote So to get from spawn to an objective i have to risk about 30k if i want to drive...and because i can't risk leaving it behind i have to "hack" it to have it retrieved which slows me down...or i can walk and get run over by an LLAV dedicated driver. Those cannons near spawn sure are looking good at this point...or maybe just AFK in the MCC. ... CCP has chosen to punish players who use the LAV as transport and because the free LAV is good protection and its turret can kill an LLAV driver they indirectly buffed dedicated murder taxis. I also have used LAV to get up close to snipers in the hills...so this is a buff to them as well and a nerf to anti-snipers Also an LAV is pretty much to the only way a heavy can get to an objective in any timely fashion without being fully exposed in the open so this a nerf on heavies as well. to recap: Buffed what they intended to nerf and nerfed at least 2 to 3 roles that added to the games diversity and class choice.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 1044	Posted - 2013.07.19 21:43:00 - [2] - Quote I'm sure you probably don't know this as I'm unsure if you've made it out of the academy yet, but you can press circle to recall your LAV when you get to your destination.
R F Gyro L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 429	Posted - 2013.07.19 21:46:00 - [3] - Quote Free jeeps never made any sense anyway. Call it. Use it. Recall it. If it gets destroyed, its gone, same as with a dropsuit. I imagine there'll be a basic logi BPO coming along in a future patch if you're willing to use Aurum, but I wouldn't expect it to be cheap.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 2701	Posted - 2013.07.19 21:48:00 - [4] - Quote Boo ***** hoo. Is a measly 30k really that expensive for you? I fly drilling pinata's with half the survivability which cost a million ISK, seriously dude why is it all you do is whinge and moan and complain about how things aren't good enough for you? And if your measly 30k LAV isn't survivable enough for you, spend the sp to get a methana and basic vehicle mods. ITS THAT ***** SIMPLE!!!!
Cy Clone1 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 129	Posted - 2013.07.19 21:50:00 - [5] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: I'm sure you probably don't know this as I'm unsure if you've made it out of the academy yet, but you can press circle to recall your LAV when you get to your destination. I think when he said "hack it to retrieve it" he was referring to recalling
Skihids Bullet Cluster 1744	Posted - 2013.07.19 21:52:00 - [6] - Quote It's not ideal, but you could buy a SAGA BPO so you won't have to worry about it. I've got one from a PS3 Slim purchase and I'm debating making a completely free version by purchasing a BPO missle turret or just leaving it as pretty cheap. If the former I may spam a few at match start for my heavy team mates. Heck, it it's only a few thousand ISK I might do it anyway if I see a heavy standing around with his thumb out. So what's going to be the new universal sign language for "Drop a LAV for me"?
Cy Clone1 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 129	Posted - 2013.07.19 21:52:00 - [7] - Quote gbghg wrote: Boo ***** hoo. Is a measly 30k really that expensive for you? I fly drilling pinata's with half the survivability which cost a million ISK, seriously dude why is it all you do is whinge and moan and complain about how things aren't good enough for you? And if your measly 30k LAV isn't survivable enough for you, spend the sp to get a methana and basic vehicle mods. ITS THAT ***** SIMPLE!!!! watch out seems to be a new trend where scrubs use militia drops to suicide into you. This guy wasted three on me, but finally got me.
hooc order Deep Space Republic Top Men. 730	Posted - 2013.07.19 21:55:00 - [8] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: I'm sure you probably don't know this as I'm unsure if you've made it out of the academy yet, but you can press circle to recall your LAV when you get to your destination. i stated that above...it will slow you down. Quote: and because i can't risk leaving it behind i have to "hack" it to have it retrieved which slows me down If you pull up to an objective to hack it you risk another blue dot taking it. By making them cost more this exasperates the problem. Blue dots will now be like they are in the academy...they see an empty LAV and they will take it. Academy blue dots do this because they don't know any better....they think they are playing BF3 or something...blue dots who know better will do it to grief. Note: Look before you type. I have 730 likes...the likes don't really mean all that much but they should tell you i am not in the academy....plus you know i mentioned retrieval in the OP.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 6258	Posted - 2013.07.19 21:56:00 - [9] - Quote Risk = Rewards Fate Rewards the Daring.
hooc order Deep Space Republic Top Men. 730	Posted - 2013.07.19 22:00:00 - [10] - Quote gbghg wrote: Boo ***** hoo. Is a measly 30k really that expensive for you? I fly drilling pinata's with half the survivability which cost a million ISK, seriously dude why is it all you do is whinge and moan and complain about how things aren't good enough for you? And if your measly 30k LAV isn't survivable enough for you, spend the sp to get a methana and basic vehicle mods. ITS THAT ***** SIMPLE!!!! It changes how LAVs are used for the worse and hurts what CCP said the nerf was intended to help. This is not a whine only documenting CCPs incompetence. I agree that CCP's incompetence shines pretty brightly in the dropship department as well.

hooc order Deep Space Republic Top Men. 730	Posted - 2013.07.19 22:03:00 - [11] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Risk = Rewards Fate Rewards the Daring. Says the guy who doesn't really play the game any more and uses his passive SP to fill in all the checkboxes like a robot. Go back to EvE with your "drole" inspirational poster memes please.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 2702	Posted - 2013.07.19 22:05:00 - [12] - Quote Cy Clone1 wrote: gbghg wrote: Boo ***** hoo. Is a measly 30k really that expensive for you? I fly drilling pinata's with half the survivability which cost a million ISK, seriously dude why is it all you do is whinge and moan and complain about how things aren't good enough for you? And if your measly 30k LAV isn't survivable enough for you, spend the sp to get a methana and basic vehicle mods. ITS THAT ***** SIMPLE!!!! watch out seems to be a new trend where scrubs use militia drops to suicide into you. This guy wasted three on me, but finally got me. I did that to someone today, this guys myron was just floating at the top of the flight ceiling and my squad didn't like him being up there so I suicided into him with a viper, I would have preferred to get him with a python but I'm out of those and too poor to buy more so ramming it was.interestingly enough I landed on my own dropships wreckage in mid air, then started falling again.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 6258	Posted - 2013.07.19 22:05:00 - [13] - Quote hooc order wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Risk = Rewards Fate Rewards the Daring. Says the guy who doesn't really play the game any more and uses his passive SP to fill in all the checkboxes like a robot. Go back to EvE with your "drole" inspirational poster memes please. You know I haven't seen you in any matches in months either hell I think the last time I saw an stb was two weeks ago. They used to be all over the place but meh more people different play times, fewer people to get to see over and over again. The only player I seen rather often is Got DUST in local yapping it up.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 1045	Posted - 2013.07.19 22:05:00 - [14] - Quote We should never have had free LAVs in the first place. I don't say it often cause usually people have a point but in this instance... HTFU.
Forlorn Destrier Bullet Cluster 1183	Posted - 2013.07.19 22:07:00 - [15] - Quote hooc order wrote: gbghg wrote: Boo ***** hoo. Is a measly 30k really that expensive for you? I fly drilling pinata's with half the survivability which cost a million ISK, seriously dude why is it all you do is whinge and moan and complain about how things aren't good enough for you? And if your measly 30k LAV isn't survivable enough for you, spend the sp to get a methana and basic vehicle mods. ITS THAT ***** SIMPLE!!!! It changes how LAVs are used for the worse and hurts what CCP said the nerf was intended to help. This is not a whine only documenting CCPs incompetence. I agree that CCP's incompetence shines pretty brightly in the dropship department as well. You do realize this was done at the majority of player's request, I hope. Since you do have so many likes I'm sure you've the countless threads. Did you agrue against their removal to provide a counterpoint to the argument? Also, retrieving the vehicle takes 3 seconds, just as calling it in does. Jump out, recall, then hack objective if you are worries. It is not significant, and you are more exposed and for much longer when hacking the objective. You are overreacting.
Cyrius Li-Moody The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 298	Posted - 2013.07.19 22:07:00 - [16] - Quote Better fill that LAV with team mates if you're really fretting 30k.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 2704	Posted - 2013.07.19 22:11:00 - [17] - Quote hooc order wrote: gbghg wrote: Boo ***** hoo. Is a measly 30k really that expensive for you? I fly drilling pinata's with half the survivability which cost a million ISK, seriously dude why is it all you do is whinge and moan and complain about how things aren't good enough for you? And if your measly 30k LAV isn't survivable enough for you, spend the sp to get a methana and basic vehicle mods. ITS THAT ***** SIMPLE!!!! It changes how LAVs are used for the worse and hurts what CCP said the nerf was intended to help. This is not a whine only documenting CCPs incompetence. I agree that CCP's incompetence shines pretty brightly in the dropship department as well. On the country this will very much help lavs, now with the free derpmobile gone people will realise the benefits of speccing into lavs, it will also encourage people to fit and treat them better so they can get the most bang for their buck so to speak. In the long run this will help dust a lot provide a decent fix for murder taxis is implemented.
hooc order Deep Space Republic Top Men. 730	Posted - 2013.07.19 22:16:00 - [18] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: hooc order wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Risk = Rewards Fate Rewards the Daring. Says the guy who doesn't really play the game any more and uses his passive SP to fill in all the checkboxes like a robot. Go back to EvE with your "drole" inspirational poster memes please. You know I haven't seen you in any matches in months either hell I think the last time I saw an stb was two weeks ago. They used to be all over the place but meh more people different play times, fewer people to get to see over and over again. The only player I seen rather often is Got DUST in local yapping it up. I cap two characters every week. Also please stop posting off topic misdirection on this thread. The issue is CCP buffed what they intended to nerf....CCP made no mention about the rewards and risk garbage that you brought up....they specifically said the intent was to nerf the murder taxis. Their actions did the exact opposite.
hooc order Deep Space Republic Top Men. 730	Posted - 2013.07.19 22:18:00 - [19] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: We should never have had free LAVs in the first place. I don't say it often cause usually people have a point but in this instance... HTFU. Again not a whine. This is about CCP saying they were nerfing murder taxis when in fact they buffed them....and additionally added other problems and unintentional nerfs. May i suggest you HTFU and get to work with your reading comprehension.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 2707	Posted - 2013.07.19 22:20:00 - [20] - Quote Tell me hooc, has the number of murder taxis you've seen not decreased since the change? It has for me across the majority o Matches I play, the removal of free lavs is just part of the needed fix. This is an effective stop gap measure and an Acrilan many of us have requested for a long time, the impact damage fit will come later.

Poonmunch Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. Interstellar Conquest Enterprises 124	Posted - 2013.07.19 22:21:00 - [21] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Risk = Rewards Fate Rewards the Daring. And patience rewards the sniper. Munch
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 2707	Posted - 2013.07.19 22:25:00 - [22] - Quote And acceleration rewards the lav driver
hooc order Deep Space Republic Top Men. 730	Posted - 2013.07.19 22:29:00 - [23] - Quote gbghg wrote: Tell me hooc, has the number of murder taxis you've seen not decreased since the change? It has for me across the majority o Matches I play, the removal of free lavs is just part of the needed fix. This is an effective stop gap measure and an Acrilan many of us have requested for a long time, the impact damage fit will come later. So less people using LAVs for transport and real murder taxis get free run on the map.... Many people request many stupid things. Sadly CCP listens to far to many of them. Anyway the murder taxi complaint is a new thing since the LAV buff....before the buff the free LAV was still free yet no one complained. So the problem was never that they were free.
Jaqen Morghalis Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance 183	Posted - 2013.07.19 22:35:00 - [24] - Quote There's that word "punish" again! Nobody is being punished. Jesus, stop trying to make this crap personal.
hooc order Deep Space Republic Top Men. 730	Posted - 2013.07.19 22:36:00 - [25] - Quote Is the turret on the free LAV OP? no Can it be argued that it is UP? yes FYI CCP just nerfed an UP weapon.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 2711	Posted - 2013.07.19 22:39:00 - [26] - Quote hooc order wrote: gbghg wrote: Tell me hooc, has the number of murder taxis you've seen not decreased since the change? It has for me across the majority o Matches I play, the removal of free lavs is just part of the needed fix. This is an effective stop gap measure and an Acrilan many of us have requested for a long time, the impact damage fit will come later. So less people using LAVs for transport and real murder taxis get free run on the map.... Many people request many stupid things. Sadly CCP listens to far to many of them. Anyway the murder taxi complaint is a new thing since the LAV buff....before the buff the free LAV was still free yet no one complained. So the problem was never that they were free. Just because they weren't widely used for murder taxi'ing doesn't mean that they weren't a problem by their very existence. The rest if my argument still applies they devalued lavs and disincentives speccing them. This is one of the cases were CCP listens too and implemented a good idea. Less murder taxis is a good thing and your argument really doesn't make sense, people's AV fits haven't just dissoeared and now there's less targets to be shot at.
hooc order Deep Space Republic Top Men. 730	Posted - 2013.07.19 22:41:00 - [27] - Quote Jaqen Morghalis wrote: There's that word "punish" again! Nobody is being punished. Jesus, stop trying to make this crap personal. Find a different word and i will use it. Also stop the failed mind reading. Note: I imagine you saw the word "punished" used by me in a thread about respecs for Cal logis. I am not a cal logi i have never worn or used proto gear ever. And if a resec was ever given it would have little effect on me as i hardly use the SP that i have got right now. You want this thread to be about me and to be personal. it is not. You need to change your argument because the one you used just blew up in flames.
hooc order Deep Space Republic Top Men. 730	Posted - 2013.07.19 22:45:00 - [28] - Quote gbghg wrote: hooc order wrote: gbghg wrote: Tell me hooc, has the number of murder taxis you've seen not decreased since the change? It has for me across the majority o Matches I play, the removal of free lavs is just part of the needed fix. This is an effective stop gap measure and an Acrilan many of us have requested for a long time, the impact damage fit will come later. So less people using LAVs for transport and real murder taxis get free run on the map.... Many people request many stupid things. Sadly CCP listens to far to many of them. Anyway the murder taxi complaint is a new thing since the LAV buff....before the buff the free LAV was still free yet no one complained. So the problem was never that they were free. Just because they weren't widely used for murder taxi'ing doesn't mean that they weren't a problem by their very existence. The rest if my argument still applies they devalued lavs and disincentives speccing them. This is one of the cases were CCP listens too and implemented a good idea. Less murder taxis is a good thing and your argument really doesn't make sense, people's AV fits haven't just dissoeared and now there's less targets to be shot at. Maybe maybe not. CCP did not nerf them because of "other" reasons. They nerfed them to stop the murder taxi problem specifically....and ended up buffing the very problem they intended to nerf. You wanted this for peripheral reasons...go make a thread about. Making straw man arguments and moving the goal post here is not helping your argument.
Dimmu Borgir II Consolidated Dust 4	Posted - 2013.07.19 22:48:00 - [29] - Quote hooc order wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: We should never have had free LAVs in the first place. I don't say it often cause usually people have a point but in this instance... HTFU. Again not a whine. This is about CCP saying they were nerfing murder taxis when in fact they buffed them....and additionally added other problems and unintentional nerfs. May i suggest you HTFU and get to work with your reading comprehension. If YOUR reading proficiency skill is skilled all the way up to 5 as you suggest, you should see that this quick-fix was just part of what their solution is to the murder taxi problem, they didn't say "There you go... FIXED!", not once!!! It was done in downtime for fecks sake, it wasn't even a iterative update!! Some people really are simply bitter and some people are simply stupid; you, it would appear, are both!
MlDDLE MANGEMENT lMPurity 148	Posted - 2013.07.19 22:50:00 - [30] - Quote While i agree with your general premise that getting rid of Free LAVs was not the solution needed for murder taxi it was in fact dealing with the resistance/EHP of LLAVs (all other LAVS are balanced because you can actually destroy them). I disagree with you that you are risking anything. It IS however forcing you to spend about a weeks worth of SP to get into a decent LAV for usage. but lets be honest there is virtually zero risk. I can run a stock Shield LLAV and unless i do something incredibly dumb i wont lose it. My longest streak is 37 games in a row before the loss of a single LAV and that was because i got stuck. Seriously when was the last time you destroyed a LLAV that wasnt due entirely to driver error? So in reality there is zero risk to using a high end LAV, there is in fact a greater risk in using Free LAV and STD LAVs over Logi LAV and it only takes a weeks worth of SP to get them.

Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 853	Posted - 2013.07.19 22:50:00 - [31] - Quote Maybe squads will start using designated drivers that have skills and well fit and durable LAVs. Once you get past the initial rush they can be recalled and the ground battle can start. If the battle shifts to a far off objective you ask the drivers to call in their rides and repeat the process. Just sayin'.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 2712	Posted - 2013.07.19 22:50:00 - [32] - Quote I'm not moving the goal posts, this has helpe reduce murder taxi spam, I have absolutely no idea how you got the idea that this makes logi lavs more deadly. The fact its a change I've wanted for a long time is just a happy bonus, as for your argument all you've done is make vague statements about murder taxis suddenly being more deadly and finding imagined flaws in your opponents argumements. Personally I think your just looking for a fight for some reason, because your argument is frankly ****.
Musta Tornius Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 500	Posted - 2013.07.19 22:51:00 - [33] - Quote Let me shed a tear for you. Oh no I'm all out... HTFU, 27k don't make me ******* laugh.
VonSpliff OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 15	Posted - 2013.07.19 22:54:00 - [34] - Quote Lol my favorite part of the original post is "I risk 30k". No-talents take way more than that from me just spawn in. F the LAV and F all you no-talents who can't shoot (and be out of the red zone) and still get kills. VonSpliff, Merc Vet. 18m SP
hooc order Deep Space Republic Top Men. 730	Posted - 2013.07.19 22:58:00 - [35] - Quote Dimmu Borgir II wrote: hooc order wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: We should never have had free LAVs in the first place. I don't say it often cause usually people have a point but in this instance... HTFU. Again not a whine. This is about CCP saying they were nerfing murder taxis when in fact they buffed them....and additionally added other problems and unintentional nerfs. May i suggest you HTFU and get to work with your reading comprehension. If YOUR reading proficiency is skilled all the way up to 5 as you suggest (sorry, I'm kind of addicted to dust!!), you should see that this quick-fix was just part of what their solution is to the murder taxi problem, they didn't say "There you go... FIXED!", not once!!! It was done in downtime for fecks sake, it wasn't even an iterative update!! Some people really are simply bitter and some people are simply stupid; you, it would appear, are both! CCP will go after the LLAV next...and will probably screw that up as well....i will not be one bit surprised if they end up inadvertently buffing it....it is how these things work. Anyway the militia LAV and its price will not be changed. This part of the fix is FIXED along with all the problems it has and will cause.
MlDDLE MANGEMENT lMPurity 148	Posted - 2013.07.19 23:04:00 - [36] - Quote hooc order wrote: gbghg wrote: Tell me hooc, has the number of murder taxis you've seen not decreased since the change? It has for me across the majority o Matches I play, the removal of free lavs is just part of the needed fix. This is an effective stop gap measure and an Acrilan many of us have requested for a long time, the impact damage fit will come later. So less people using LAVs for transport and real murder taxis get free run on the map.... Many people request many stupid things. Sadly CCP listens to far to many of them. Anyway the murder taxi complaint is a new thing since the LAV buff....before the buff the free LAV was still free yet no one complained. So the problem was never that they were free. TBF there were issues with free vehicles for quite some time. People confuse the modern day murder taxi with the classic murder taxi which was a OP HEAVY HMG rolling around in a free LAV. The reason it was effective was because Amarr heavies had shield LAV variants as their default free vehicle and were far more resilient to AV then their armor counterparts which could be destroyed with a single Packed AV nade. There was a request during those days to remove free vehicles especially since militia variants which were the equivalents of the free vehicles were on the market in the first place. It was a matter of balancing the risk/reward aspect of the game and it was a simple question of was there a need for starter vehicles. Keep in mind the costs were higher back then too so it was a bit needed because it was perceived that it would create imbalances for new players who wouldnt have access to a basic yet vital means of transport within the game. Now add to this there is a vehicle limit and a AV had a better effect there was a pretty good balance with all of it. The other big thing was there was no vehicle recall option which mean deploying vehicles had a far more likely chance of being chased down and killed where as currently there is the option to get away and recall them(hacking speed directly affects the recall speed FYI). But again you are completely correct in asserting that removing free vehicles in no way or shape address the major issue the underlies current day murder taxxing.
hooc order Deep Space Republic Top Men. 731	Posted - 2013.07.19 23:07:00 - [37] - Quote VonSpliff wrote: Lol my favorite part of the original post is "I risk 30k". No-talents take way more than that from me just spawn in. F the LAV and F all you no-talents who can't shoot (and be out of the red zone) and still get kills. VonSpliff, Merc Vet. 18m SP Pretty sure you are carried garbage who bunny hops around in the open. Anyway i used that to explain a point about driving to an objective. ie using the LAV for transport is now a risk because blue dots will take it if you hop out and hack or defend or whatever one does at an objective. Before it was free so you would not care what happens to it...now one has to spend 30K to get to an objective. On big maps with lots of open area taking away transport diminishes the game. but yeah now people will run to objectives and will be in the open bunny hopping around just like you....i understand why you would want this crap twitch based kind of game play....most carried players do.
Jaqen Morghalis Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance 183	Posted - 2013.07.19 23:08:00 - [38] - Quote hooc order wrote: Jaqen Morghalis wrote: There's that word "punish" again! Nobody is being punished. Jesus, stop trying to make this crap personal. Find a different word and i will use it. Also stop the failed mind reading. Note: I imagine you saw the word "punished" used by me in a thread about respecs for Cal logis. I am not a cal logi i have never worn or used proto gear ever. And if a resec was ever given it would have little effect on me as i hardly use the SP that i have got right now. You want this thread to be about me and to be personal. it is not. You need to change your argument because the one you used just blew up in flames. I'm not even arguing with you, so I'm not sure what you imagined "blew up in flames". I don't really care what class you are or what gear you have or haven't used, or your current SP situation, but for a guy who claims to not want it to be personal, you sure seem eager to share information about yourself. Thanks for sharing with the group, I guess. If you want to feel like CCP is punishing you for some reason, or want to try and rally the masses to your cause by suggesting to them that they are, go right ahead. I'm sure I won't stop you anyway. I don't even know why I bothered to post in the first place, to be honest (you know, since we're sharing). I think all this crying on here is starting to fray my nerves.
Dr Allopathy Homos Erected 210	Posted - 2013.07.19 23:08:00 - [39] - Quote They're coming out with roadbikes that people can drive. Chill out, things will be better after another patch or two.
MlDDLE MANGEMENT lMPurity 149	Posted - 2013.07.19 23:11:00 - [40] - Quote hooc order wrote: Dimmu Borgir II wrote: hooc order wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: We should never have had free LAVs in the first place. I don't say it often cause usually people have a point but in this instance... HTFU. Again not a whine. This is about CCP saying they were nerfing murder taxis when in fact they buffed them....and additionally added other problems and unintentional nerfs. May i suggest you HTFU and get to work with your reading comprehension. If YOUR reading proficiency is skilled all the way up to 5 as you suggest (sorry, I'm kind of addicted to dust!!), you should see that this quick-fix was just part of what their solution is to the murder taxi problem, they didn't say "There you go... FIXED!", not once!!! It was done in downtime for fecks sake, it wasn't even an iterative update!! Some people really are simply bitter and some people are simply stupid; you, it would appear, are both! CCP will go after the LLAV next...and will probably screw that up as well....i will not be one bit surprised if they end up inadvertently buffing it....it is how these things work. Anyway the militia LAV and its price will not be changed. This part of the fix is FIXED along with all the problems it has and will cause. Well the problem is CCP cant figure out where the balance for vehicles vs AV is. The question becomes how well can a single AV user take on any given vehicle. It certainly cant be a 1:1 can it? if thats the case nobody would use vehicles why risk a high end vehicle if a proto SL can take it out in a single volley? But if it take more then 1 user or more than 1 volley of AV (SL, FG, Nades) where is the balance because vehicles move faster than AV infantry on foot so they wont ever be able to take them out because if the vehicle gets in trouble it can use its speed to espcape. (perhaps faster SL speeds and less direct flight paths so they can better navigate around corners?) Also PE how are they used in the AV-V balance, they are generally rather useless in my experience, at least against higer end Vehicles, even if you surround them with RE. Maybe the balance is already there and its just not adequate usage of all the tools needed to kill vehicles, perhaps the strategy isnt to kill vehicles directly but to direct their traffic into traps where you can manueveur it into a kill box? I honestly dont know where the interplay is because in the end if you make AV weapons too good as individual items then the force multiplier of all the combined AV will simply be too much for any vehicle to take on.

hooc order Deep Space Republic Top Men. 732	Posted - 2013.07.19 23:14:00 - [41] - Quote Dr Allopathy wrote: They're coming out with roadbikes that people can drive. Chill out, things will be better after another patch or two. That would be cool....but come on. You really think roadbikes are even on the roadmap before 2015? CCP can hardly put out a couple maps every 6 months. Hell they can't even put out faction suits which they already have modeled since at least fanfest.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 2716	Posted - 2013.07.20 07:12:00 - [42] - Quote Dude seriously? The fact that you have to spend a measly 30k on a militia LAV suddenly means everyones walking? Cmon that's complete garbarge, what will happen is that the majority of people will simply suck it up, fork over the tiny price and drive there, then hop our and recall the vehicle. The only ones walking will be the cheap bastards like yourself who refuse to pay the tiny price or hitch a ride in someone else vehicle.


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