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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
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Posted - 2013.07.19 22:50:00 -
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Maybe squads will start using designated drivers that have skills and well fit and durable LAVs. Once you get past the initial rush they can be recalled and the ground battle can start. If the battle shifts to a far off objective you ask the drivers to call in their rides and repeat the process.
Just sayin'. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
RISE of LEGION
2712
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Posted - 2013.07.19 22:50:00 -
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I'm not moving the goal posts, this has helpe reduce murder taxi spam, I have absolutely no idea how you got the idea that this makes logi lavs more deadly. The fact its a change I've wanted for a long time is just a happy bonus, as for your argument all you've done is make vague statements about murder taxis suddenly being more deadly and finding imagined flaws in your opponents argumements. Personally I think your just looking for a fight for some reason, because your argument is frankly ****. |
Musta Tornius
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
500
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Posted - 2013.07.19 22:51:00 -
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Let me shed a tear for you. Oh no I'm all out... HTFU, 27k don't make me ******* laugh. |
VonSpliff
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
15
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Posted - 2013.07.19 22:54:00 -
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Lol my favorite part of the original post is "I risk 30k". No-talents take way more than that from me just spawn in. F the LAV and F all you no-talents who can't shoot (and be out of the red zone) and still get kills.
VonSpliff, Merc Vet.
18m SP |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic
Top Men.
730
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Posted - 2013.07.19 22:58:00 -
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Dimmu Borgir II wrote:hooc order wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:We should never have had free LAVs in the first place.
I don't say it often cause usually people have a point but in this instance... HTFU. Again not a whine. This is about CCP saying they were nerfing murder taxis when in fact they buffed them....and additionally added other problems and unintentional nerfs. May i suggest you HTFU and get to work with your reading comprehension. If YOUR reading proficiency is skilled all the way up to 5 as you suggest (sorry, I'm kind of addicted to dust!!), you should see that this quick-fix was just part of what their solution is to the murder taxi problem, they didn't say "There you go... FIXED!", not once!!! It was done in downtime for fecks sake, it wasn't even an iterative update!! Some people really are simply bitter and some people are simply stupid; you, it would appear, are both!
CCP will go after the LLAV next...and will probably screw that up as well....i will not be one bit surprised if they end up inadvertently buffing it....it is how these things work.
Anyway the militia LAV and its price will not be changed. This part of the fix is FIXED along with all the problems it has and will cause. |
MlDDLE MANGEMENT
lMPurity
148
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Posted - 2013.07.19 23:04:00 -
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hooc order wrote:gbghg wrote:Tell me hooc, has the number of murder taxis you've seen not decreased since the change? It has for me across the majority o Matches I play, the removal of free lavs is just part of the needed fix. This is an effective stop gap measure and an Acrilan many of us have requested for a long time, the impact damage fit will come later. So less people using LAVs for transport and real murder taxis get free run on the map.... Many people request many stupid things. Sadly CCP listens to far to many of them. Anyway the murder taxi complaint is a new thing since the LAV buff....before the buff the free LAV was still free yet no one complained. So the problem was never that they were free.
TBF there were issues with free vehicles for quite some time. People confuse the modern day murder taxi with the classic murder taxi which was a OP HEAVY HMG rolling around in a free LAV. The reason it was effective was because Amarr heavies had shield LAV variants as their default free vehicle and were far more resilient to AV then their armor counterparts which could be destroyed with a single Packed AV nade.
There was a request during those days to remove free vehicles especially since militia variants which were the equivalents of the free vehicles were on the market in the first place. It was a matter of balancing the risk/reward aspect of the game and it was a simple question of was there a need for starter vehicles.
Keep in mind the costs were higher back then too so it was a bit needed because it was perceived that it would create imbalances for new players who wouldnt have access to a basic yet vital means of transport within the game. Now add to this there is a vehicle limit and a AV had a better effect there was a pretty good balance with all of it. The other big thing was there was no vehicle recall option which mean deploying vehicles had a far more likely chance of being chased down and killed where as currently there is the option to get away and recall them(hacking speed directly affects the recall speed FYI).
But again you are completely correct in asserting that removing free vehicles in no way or shape address the major issue the underlies current day murder taxxing.
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hooc order
Deep Space Republic
Top Men.
731
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Posted - 2013.07.19 23:07:00 -
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VonSpliff wrote:Lol my favorite part of the original post is "I risk 30k". No-talents take way more than that from me just spawn in. F the LAV and F all you no-talents who can't shoot (and be out of the red zone) and still get kills.
VonSpliff, Merc Vet.
18m SP
Pretty sure you are carried garbage who bunny hops around in the open.
Anyway i used that to explain a point about driving to an objective. ie using the LAV for transport is now a risk because blue dots will take it if you hop out and hack or defend or whatever one does at an objective.
Before it was free so you would not care what happens to it...now one has to spend 30K to get to an objective.
On big maps with lots of open area taking away transport diminishes the game.
but yeah now people will run to objectives and will be in the open bunny hopping around just like you....i understand why you would want this crap twitch based kind of game play....most carried players do. |
Jaqen Morghalis
Abandoned Privilege
General Tso's Alliance
183
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Posted - 2013.07.19 23:08:00 -
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hooc order wrote:Jaqen Morghalis wrote:There's that word "punish" again!  Nobody is being punished. Jesus, stop trying to make this crap personal.  Find a different word and i will use it. Also stop the failed mind reading. Note: I imagine you saw the word "punished" used by me in a thread about respecs for Cal logis. I am not a cal logi i have never worn or used proto gear ever. And if a resec was ever given it would have little effect on me as i hardly use the SP that i have got right now. You want this thread to be about me and to be personal. it is not. You need to change your argument because the one you used just blew up in flames.
I'm not even arguing with you, so I'm not sure what you imagined "blew up in flames".
I don't really care what class you are or what gear you have or haven't used, or your current SP situation, but for a guy who claims to not want it to be personal, you sure seem eager to share information about yourself. Thanks for sharing with the group, I guess.
If you want to feel like CCP is punishing you for some reason, or want to try and rally the masses to your cause by suggesting to them that they are, go right ahead. I'm sure I won't stop you anyway. I don't even know why I bothered to post in the first place, to be honest (you know, since we're sharing).
I think all this crying on here is starting to fray my nerves. |
Dr Allopathy
Homos Erected
210
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Posted - 2013.07.19 23:08:00 -
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They're coming out with roadbikes that people can drive.
Chill out, things will be better after another patch or two. |
MlDDLE MANGEMENT
lMPurity
149
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Posted - 2013.07.19 23:11:00 -
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hooc order wrote:Dimmu Borgir II wrote:hooc order wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:We should never have had free LAVs in the first place.
I don't say it often cause usually people have a point but in this instance... HTFU. Again not a whine. This is about CCP saying they were nerfing murder taxis when in fact they buffed them....and additionally added other problems and unintentional nerfs. May i suggest you HTFU and get to work with your reading comprehension. If YOUR reading proficiency is skilled all the way up to 5 as you suggest (sorry, I'm kind of addicted to dust!!), you should see that this quick-fix was just part of what their solution is to the murder taxi problem, they didn't say "There you go... FIXED!", not once!!! It was done in downtime for fecks sake, it wasn't even an iterative update!! Some people really are simply bitter and some people are simply stupid; you, it would appear, are both! CCP will go after the LLAV next...and will probably screw that up as well....i will not be one bit surprised if they end up inadvertently buffing it....it is how these things work. Anyway the militia LAV and its price will not be changed. This part of the fix is FIXED along with all the problems it has and will cause.
Well the problem is CCP cant figure out where the balance for vehicles vs AV is. The question becomes how well can a single AV user take on any given vehicle.
It certainly cant be a 1:1 can it? if thats the case nobody would use vehicles why risk a high end vehicle if a proto SL can take it out in a single volley? But if it take more then 1 user or more than 1 volley of AV (SL, FG, Nades) where is the balance because vehicles move faster than AV infantry on foot so they wont ever be able to take them out because if the vehicle gets in trouble it can use its speed to espcape. (perhaps faster SL speeds and less direct flight paths so they can better navigate around corners?)
Also PE how are they used in the AV-V balance, they are generally rather useless in my experience, at least against higer end Vehicles, even if you surround them with RE.
Maybe the balance is already there and its just not adequate usage of all the tools needed to kill vehicles, perhaps the strategy isnt to kill vehicles directly but to direct their traffic into traps where you can manueveur it into a kill box?
I honestly dont know where the interplay is because in the end if you make AV weapons too good as individual items then the force multiplier of all the combined AV will simply be too much for any vehicle to take on. |
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hooc order
Deep Space Republic
Top Men.
732
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Posted - 2013.07.19 23:14:00 -
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Dr Allopathy wrote:They're coming out with roadbikes that people can drive.
Chill out, things will be better after another patch or two.
That would be cool....but come on. You really think roadbikes are even on the roadmap before 2015?
CCP can hardly put out a couple maps every 6 months.
Hell they can't even put out faction suits which they already have modeled since at least fanfest.
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gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
RISE of LEGION
2716
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Posted - 2013.07.20 07:12:00 -
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Dude seriously? The fact that you have to spend a measly 30k on a militia LAV suddenly means everyones walking? Cmon that's complete garbarge, what will happen is that the majority of people will simply suck it up, fork over the tiny price and drive there, then hop our and recall the vehicle. The only ones walking will be the cheap bastards like yourself who refuse to pay the tiny price or hitch a ride in someone else vehicle. |
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