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hooc order
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Posted - 2013.07.19 21:42:00 -
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So to get from spawn to an objective i have to risk about 30k if i want to drive...and because i can't risk leaving it behind i have to "hack" it to have it retrieved which slows me down...or i can walk and get run over by an LLAV dedicated driver.
Those cannons near spawn sure are looking good at this point...or maybe just AFK in the MCC.
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CCP has chosen to punish players who use the LAV as transport and because the free LAV is good protection and its turret can kill an LLAV driver they indirectly buffed dedicated murder taxis.
I also have used LAV to get up close to snipers in the hills...so this is a buff to them as well and a nerf to anti-snipers
Also an LAV is pretty much to the only way a heavy can get to an objective in any timely fashion without being fully exposed in the open so this a nerf on heavies as well.
to recap:
Buffed what they intended to nerf and nerfed at least 2 to 3 roles that added to the games diversity and class choice. |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.07.19 21:55:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:I'm sure you probably don't know this as I'm unsure if you've made it out of the academy yet, but you can press circle to recall your LAV when you get to your destination. i stated that above...it will slow you down.
Quote: and because i can't risk leaving it behind i have to "hack" it to have it retrieved which slows me down
If you pull up to an objective to hack it you risk another blue dot taking it. By making them cost more this exasperates the problem. Blue dots will now be like they are in the academy...they see an empty LAV and they will take it.
Academy blue dots do this because they don't know any better....they think they are playing BF3 or something...blue dots who know better will do it to grief.
Note: Look before you type. I have 730 likes...the likes don't really mean all that much but they should tell you i am not in the academy....plus you know i mentioned retrieval in the OP. |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.07.19 22:00:00 -
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gbghg wrote:Boo ******* hoo. Is a measly 30k really that expensive for you? I fly drilling pinata's with half the survivability which cost a million ISK, seriously dude why is it all you do is whinge and moan and complain about how things aren't good enough for you? And if your measly 30k LAV isn't survivable enough for you, spend the sp to get a methana and basic vehicle mods. ITS THAT ******* SIMPLE!!!!
It changes how LAVs are used for the worse and hurts what CCP said the nerf was intended to help.
This is not a whine only documenting CCPs incompetence.
I agree that CCP's incompetence shines pretty brightly in the dropship department as well. |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.07.19 22:03:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Risk = Rewards
Fate Rewards the Daring.
Says the guy who doesn't really play the game any more and uses his passive SP to fill in all the checkboxes like a robot.
Go back to EvE with your "drole" inspirational poster memes please. |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.07.19 22:16:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:hooc order wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Risk = Rewards
Fate Rewards the Daring. Says the guy who doesn't really play the game any more and uses his passive SP to fill in all the checkboxes like a robot. Go back to EvE with your "drole" inspirational poster memes please. You know I haven't seen you in any matches in months either hell I think the last time I saw an stb was two weeks ago. They used to be all over the place but meh more people different play times, fewer people to get to see over and over again. The only player I seen rather often is Got DUST in local yapping it up.
I cap two characters every week.
Also please stop posting off topic misdirection on this thread.
The issue is CCP buffed what they intended to nerf....CCP made no mention about the rewards and risk garbage that you brought up....they specifically said the intent was to nerf the murder taxis. Their actions did the exact opposite.
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hooc order
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.07.19 22:18:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:We should never have had free LAVs in the first place.
I don't say it often cause usually people have a point but in this instance... HTFU.
Again not a whine.
This is about CCP saying they were nerfing murder taxis when in fact they buffed them....and additionally added other problems and unintentional nerfs.
May i suggest you HTFU and get to work with your reading comprehension. |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.07.19 22:29:00 -
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gbghg wrote:Tell me hooc, has the number of murder taxis you've seen not decreased since the change? It has for me across the majority o Matches I play, the removal of free lavs is just part of the needed fix. This is an effective stop gap measure and an Acrilan many of us have requested for a long time, the impact damage fit will come later.
So less people using LAVs for transport and real murder taxis get free run on the map....
Many people request many stupid things. Sadly CCP listens to far to many of them.
Anyway the murder taxi complaint is a new thing since the LAV buff....before the buff the free LAV was still free yet no one complained.
So the problem was never that they were free. |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.07.19 22:36:00 -
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Is the turret on the free LAV OP?
no
Can it be argued that it is UP?
yes
FYI CCP just nerfed an UP weapon. |
hooc order
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Posted - 2013.07.19 22:41:00 -
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Jaqen Morghalis wrote:There's that word "punish" again! Nobody is being punished. Jesus, stop trying to make this crap personal.
Find a different word and i will use it.
Also stop the failed mind reading.
Note: I imagine you saw the word "punished" used by me in a thread about respecs for Cal logis.
I am not a cal logi i have never worn or used proto gear ever. And if a resec was ever given it would have little effect on me as i hardly use the SP that i have got right now. You want this thread to be about me and to be personal. it is not. You need to change your argument because the one you used just blew up in flames. |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.07.19 22:45:00 -
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gbghg wrote:hooc order wrote:gbghg wrote:Tell me hooc, has the number of murder taxis you've seen not decreased since the change? It has for me across the majority o Matches I play, the removal of free lavs is just part of the needed fix. This is an effective stop gap measure and an Acrilan many of us have requested for a long time, the impact damage fit will come later. So less people using LAVs for transport and real murder taxis get free run on the map.... Many people request many stupid things. Sadly CCP listens to far to many of them. Anyway the murder taxi complaint is a new thing since the LAV buff....before the buff the free LAV was still free yet no one complained. So the problem was never that they were free. Just because they weren't widely used for murder taxi'ing doesn't mean that they weren't a problem by their very existence. The rest if my argument still applies they devalued lavs and disincentives speccing them. This is one of the cases were CCP listens too and implemented a good idea. Less murder taxis is a good thing and your argument really doesn't make sense, people's AV fits haven't just dissoeared and now there's less targets to be shot at.
Maybe maybe not. CCP did not nerf them because of "other" reasons. They nerfed them to stop the murder taxi problem specifically....and ended up buffing the very problem they intended to nerf.
You wanted this for peripheral reasons...go make a thread about. Making straw man arguments and moving the goal post here is not helping your argument. |
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hooc order
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.07.19 22:58:00 -
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Dimmu Borgir II wrote:hooc order wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:We should never have had free LAVs in the first place.
I don't say it often cause usually people have a point but in this instance... HTFU. Again not a whine. This is about CCP saying they were nerfing murder taxis when in fact they buffed them....and additionally added other problems and unintentional nerfs. May i suggest you HTFU and get to work with your reading comprehension. If YOUR reading proficiency is skilled all the way up to 5 as you suggest (sorry, I'm kind of addicted to dust!!), you should see that this quick-fix was just part of what their solution is to the murder taxi problem, they didn't say "There you go... FIXED!", not once!!! It was done in downtime for fecks sake, it wasn't even an iterative update!! Some people really are simply bitter and some people are simply stupid; you, it would appear, are both!
CCP will go after the LLAV next...and will probably screw that up as well....i will not be one bit surprised if they end up inadvertently buffing it....it is how these things work.
Anyway the militia LAV and its price will not be changed. This part of the fix is FIXED along with all the problems it has and will cause. |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.07.19 23:07:00 -
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VonSpliff wrote:Lol my favorite part of the original post is "I risk 30k". No-talents take way more than that from me just spawn in. F the LAV and F all you no-talents who can't shoot (and be out of the red zone) and still get kills.
VonSpliff, Merc Vet. 18m SP
Pretty sure you are carried garbage who bunny hops around in the open.
Anyway i used that to explain a point about driving to an objective. ie using the LAV for transport is now a risk because blue dots will take it if you hop out and hack or defend or whatever one does at an objective.
Before it was free so you would not care what happens to it...now one has to spend 30K to get to an objective.
On big maps with lots of open area taking away transport diminishes the game.
but yeah now people will run to objectives and will be in the open bunny hopping around just like you....i understand why you would want this crap twitch based kind of game play....most carried players do. |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.07.19 23:14:00 -
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Dr Allopathy wrote:They're coming out with roadbikes that people can drive.
Chill out, things will be better after another patch or two.
That would be cool....but come on. You really think roadbikes are even on the roadmap before 2015?
CCP can hardly put out a couple maps every 6 months.
Hell they can't even put out faction suits which they already have modeled since at least fanfest.
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