Who else likes to live with the decisions they make? Lol, the irony.

"The horror, the horror" 2 points to whoever figures out where that's a quote from!

Who else likes to live with the decisions they make? Lol, the irony.

"The horror, the horror" 2 points to whoever figures out where that's a quote from!

Who else likes to live with the decisions they make? Lol, the irony.

"The horror, the horror" 2 points to whoever figures out where that's a quote from!

i already do that trash in real life....now i have to do it in a video game? -1

Who's making the thread for "SP/Assets RESET petition"?

Didn't CCP say something about Risk vs. Reward ? Well people who took the risk of ordering the FOTM get the reward of eating the same dish all day every day. I used to be Cal logi before uprising but.... now i glad i switched into min logi and i don't regret it one bit :)

Explain how paying to correct a mistake nullifies "Your actions have consequences " which is the line I tend to see most often bandied about when people start to talk about respecs

Everyone knew the Clogi was OP, and respec'd into it anyways. Adapt or die.

Heart of Darkness?

You don't regret one bit that if let's say you run an advanced Min logi suit you've lost major advantages you had over Amarr adv logi suits?

That your balanced 3/3/3 high/low/equip slots are now shared by a suit that also has a higher native shield/armor and also can carry a sidearm?

I'm happy with my choices and will not ever promote a respec.

For me there is nothing else then the scout suit, it's the only one that fits my playstyle and gives me a little bit of challenge. I want to die when I get shot at enough, I want to live on the edge, running around corners dodging bullets with just a thin thread keeping me alive.

Daredevilism, a deathwish and adrenaline pumping in my veins!

Who else likes to live with the decisions they make? Lol, the irony.

"The horror, the horror" 2 points to whoever figures out where that's a quote from!

ding ding ding!! +2 for you!

Was it the players who speced into the cal logi's decision to have their class nerfed? if CCP told everyone their class they spent SP on was getting nerfed later than it would have been their decision. But they dident. It was not their decision to pick a class that was going to be altered into something different than what the orginally choose. Its no longer what they signed up for. They should be respeced out of it

Dumbass...That was a main marketing point for this game. Remember? They had trailers and Dev interviews about it? Yeah...

What the hell ever bro try being a scout in this game that can't run or jump like before!
Man up an take it, I got 14 mill in a suit that's broke weapons included an still pull 15-20 kills on good matches with broken knoves!
You really mad that you am everyone else turned a logistics into a god powered assault an you really never thought "geez this is so op they'll never fix it"!
Lmfao man get real an be honest wit urself!

I see no reason not to allow a monthly respec. This isn't EVE. It's a one trick pony game. There is no larger world to venture into where regular respecs could mess up the game.

You point and shoot. You don't like weapon you change it up next month and then youGǪ point and shoot.


Or in DUSTs present form you spam and throw, spam and throw.

woooow you dident touch my statement at all! sucks that you play a bad class, i play tank and do not have a cal logi. And yeah buttmad, i completely agree tha cal logi was OP, at what point was i "really mad that you am everyone else turned a logistics into a god powered assault an you really never thought ''geex this is so op they'll never fix it!''? please point out were i said that :)

But ill point out were i said that their class is no longer what they originally skilled in for. It is not right to change what they are out of the blue and expect them to enjoy playing it. It is no longer the class they wanted. So, let them respec out of something that was changed without their consent. They dont want to play it anymore

Was it the players who speced into the cal logi's decision to have their class nerfed? if CCP told everyone their class they spent SP on was getting nerfed later than it would have been their decision. But they dident. It was not their decision to pick a class that was going to be altered into something different than what the orginally choose. Its no longer what they signed up for. They should be respeced out of it

if CCP told everyone their class they spent SP on was getting nerfed later than it would have been their decision.

+1 for No Respecs

People need to understand that respecs in Dust aren't necessary. You have them in every RPG because the amount of Skillpoints is limited. In Dust however it isn't. Given enough time you can skill every single skill to level 5.

1.) Its losing 100 shields...... Big deal! you still have the other 585 HP.
2.) It doesn't take a lot to look at a suit like that and go "hmmmm maybe that's a bit overpowered and will get nerfed later on"
3.) we've already had 2 respecs...... if you decided to spec into that suit twice then that's your fault, not the DEVS.

This isn't like the 2nd respec where people got it due to literal mislabeling. You specced into a LOGISTICS suit, play it like a LOGISTICS SUIT. If you specced into that with the intentions of being a pseudo Assault then its your problem that you can't play with it that way anymore, Not CCP's.

No, that is CCPs fault. Like you said, it is "A LOGISTICS SUIT" and it sure was when it was given to us. Lots of PG/CPU to fit all 3 or 4 equipment slots and some slots to fit support items like dampeners, code breakers and scanners, the like. Had enough combat suitability to support itself and stick around long enough to use all of the logi goodies its packen. OP? hell yeah it is! but CCP gave us that suit and ppl were like "yes, this is what i want to do. i want to do all that." now they cant. Its no longer the class they speced into, and they dont want to play the way the class forces them to now. It is not fun to them. So, with their class changed, they should be able to spec out of it and play how they want to play. Do you disagree, that they should stay in a class that was changed and no longer enjoy? it wasent their fualt CCP changed it. now their hating dust

well that is true.......but ccp keeps smashing our toys man...you skill into something...and next thing you know they turn it into trash.... im an amarr logi that uses the scram rifle.....and im telling as of right now....this stuff isnt working to well at all.

the reason i want a respec is because i'm bored of this forge gun.

Well good news for you! The amar logi is getting a pretty good buff this upcoming patch! And I mean..... running the SR on that suit really shouldn't be "tough" if your doing it right..... I run an SR on a gallente Logi and I do great!

You don't regret one bit that if let's say you run an advanced Min logi suit you've lost major advantages you had over Amarr adv logi suits?

That your balanced 3/3/3 high/low/equip slots are now shared by a suit that also has a higher native shield/armor and also can carry a sidearm?

im with you bro deal with the fact that you cant get your way you crying babies now let the real gun game rain hell on you fools.
btw marston ready my post on this
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=95803&find=unread

No, that is CCPs fault. Like you said, it is "A LOGISTICS SUIT" and it sure was when it was given to us. Lots of PG/CPU to fit all 3 or 4 equipment slots and some slots to fit support items like dampeners, code breakers and scanners, the like. Had enough combat suitability to support itself and stick around long enough to use all of the logi goodies its packen. OP? hell yeah it is! but CCP gave us that suit and ppl were like "yes, this is what i want to do. i want to do all that." now they cant. Its no longer the class they speced into, and they dont want to play the way the class forces them to now. It is not fun to them. So, with their class changed, they should be able to spec out of it and play how they want to play. Do you disagree, that they should stay in a class that was changed and no longer enjoy? it wasent their fualt CCP changed it. now their hating dust

It is called a logistic suit!
If you want code breakers why didn't you go minmatar? If you want profile dampeners why not scout?
I ll tell you why, cuz you knew it was a golden goose an so did everyone else!
Just like the op AR bet you have one of those too an a faylock.
You wanna cry respec for your suit only but yet say nothing to back your argument but say nothing about scout suits or heavies?
My shotty sucks knives suck yet I still do well an cant run or jump an now have a hit box that increases in size the faster I move so cry babies can actually spray an pray with a proficiency damage of 5 an kill me with 4 bullets with zero accuracy an your crying cuz your actually a logistic now not a crazy assault with speed mods hacking mods dampeners damage mod, bombs, scanners an uplinks, probably not even running logistics gear?
Face it you had a killer assault suit with way too much gear that backed a assault play style !
Take the hit actually get a assault suit now or finally start spec n into logistic equipment an kno ur role foo!

Explain how paying to correct a mistake nullifies "Your actions have consequences " which is the line I tend to see most often bandied about when people start to talk about respecs

2.) Sorry if the people who wanted to do everything in ONE suit cant do it all anymore..... 1st world problems right?

Tell me how paying to correct a mistake doesn't constitute pay-to-win.

Since, you know, everything else CCP does is apparently pay-to-win, but respecs for AURUM just magically gets a pass for some reason.

1.) it can still fulfill all the roles you mentioned. it lost 20 CPU..... you got 4 low slots so slam a CPU mod in if its that bad. Your acting like they broke the suit, they took (at maximum depending on your fit) 90 HP away with 20 CPU. Do you know what that means? WHOA Your suit can have less HP then the ASSAULT version of their suit! Crazy right? Go figure.....
2.) Sorry if the people who wanted to do everything in ONE suit cant do it all anymore..... 1st world problems right?

they nerfed the fitting, shields, and shield recharge/depletion rate on the suit. This means like you said, "your suit can have less HP then the ASSAULT version of their suit!" and like you said, it is now a proper logi suit. When it was first given to us it was for "the people who wanted to do everything in ONE suit". It was very effective at the slayer role and now its not, what if ppl dont want to be the proper logi? What if they want to be a slayer? Like you said, the assault suit does that better than the logi now. So ppl who want to slay suddenly cant do it as well as assults anymore! Crazy right? Logi class is no longer for slayers and thats what many ppl skilled into it for. Now their play style is garbage because ccp nerfed something their skilled into. They should have the ability to respec into something that fits their style. 1st world promblems right? fairness?

Spoken like a true fanboy. There should only be one more respec and that is when all racial dropsuits come out I am a heavy and a minmatar who is stuck with an amarr suit this is the only reaspn a respec should be given. A respec shpuld not be given for reblancing issues. One respec should be given when racial symmetry occurs for the dropsuits n maybe the racial weaponry. I already have my trusty hmg so I don't really care about another weapon others may feel differently

Crazy how not one person has a rebuttal to what I just typed

Only the equivalent people have spent on their suits, I believe you should send a ticket requesting the racial switch an when u turn on dust one day it's there nothing other than that. Just the suit you have requested in the ticket everything else stays

Wrong! This might not be EVE but it is still very heavily similar to EVE. EVE is an unforgiving environment and this game should be the same way. I don't want a carebare society where "awwwww they nerfed my favorite gun, I should be able to switch to the next flavor of the month" is a normal thing for people. You live by the decisions you make, and I don't think you should be encouraged to spend SP stupidly because you know you'll get your "monthly respec"

IT'S A GAME! Stop being so serious. If you need a "harsh" second life go live some third world, war torn **** country.

I want to play a game. I want to have fun. A monthly respec would certainly keep the game interesting and most likely keep CCP in the money from people buying different stuff to try with their new spec.


Living with your choices means the same thing here that it does in EVEGǪ a core player base that hardly increases. No more revenue!

More to it the sentinel has 4 low slots so I am an armor tanker what if minmatar sentinel has 4 high slots th+án I am stuck armo4 tanking

You don't regret one bit that if let's say you run an advanced Min logi suit you've lost major advantages you had over Amarr adv logi suits?

That your balanced 3/3/3 high/low/equip slots are now shared by a suit that also has a higher native shield/armor and also can carry a sidearm?

they nerfed the fitting, shields, and shield recharge/depletion rate on the suit. This means like you said, "your suit can have less HP then the ASSAULT version of their suit!" and like you said, it is now a proper logi suit. When it was first given to us it was for "the people who wanted to do everything in ONE suit". It was very effective at the slayer role and now its not, what if ppl dont want to be the proper logi? What if they want to be a slayer? Like you said, the assault suit does that better than the logi now. So ppl who want to slay suddenly cant do it as well as assults anymore! Crazy right? Logi class is no longer for slayers and thats what many ppl skilled into it for. Now their play style is garbage because ccp nerfed something their skilled into. They should have the ability to respec into something that fits their style. 1st world promblems right? fairness?

Explain how paying to correct a mistake nullifies "Your actions have consequences " which is the line I tend to see most often bandied about when people start to talk about respecs

Seriously, am I missing something? The class doesn't seem that broken. This doesn't seem as bad as being a scout (which I also do on the frequent)

I swear all of us have got to be getting trolled. It's not like they are getting one shotted by every gun in the game

Who else likes to live with the decisions they make? Lol, the irony.

"The horror, the horror" 2 points to whoever figures out where that's a quote from!

Then I say too bad!
Since 1.2 my stamina got nerfed, every scout weapon has bad hit detection an if it worked perfect people would say scouts are op. my whole suit pg an slots got nerfed in uprising an I can't fit all my slots that I have now, scouts are too underpowered an so are the weapons we use an a proto suit only gives me 60 more hp for the cost of 60000 .
So screw people crying respect you have no clue what NERF IS unless your a scout!
Cal logi whiners can bite me!

wish I could say f them -sticks out middle finger- but tbh this game is no where near complete when the gets done adding, tweaking and we have some normalcy they should allow one more respec and never again

IT'S A GAME! Stop being so serious. If you need a "harsh" second life go live some third world, war torn **** country.

I want to play a game. I want to have fun. A monthly respec would certainly keep the game interesting and most likely keep CCP in the money from people buying different stuff to try with their new spec.


Living with your choices means the same thing here that it does in EVEGǪ a core player base that hardly increases. No more revenue!

EVE online is 10 years old and there still adding new skills and the such. Their players pay 20$ monthly and they have NEVER gotten a respec EVER. No matter how much was changed, (and believe me there has been several overhauls) EVE players have NEVER gotten a respec. Yet us Dust players..... have a FREE TO PLAY game for just over a year and were already demanding respecs? Seriously? WTF...... Or maybe im alone in my lack of understanding towards this.

Spoken like a true fanboy. There should only be one more respec and that is when all racial dropsuits come out I am a heavy and a minmatar who is stuck with an amarr suit this is the only reaspn a respec should be given. A respec shpuld not be given for reblancing issues. One respec should be given when racial symmetry occurs for the dropsuits n maybe the racial weaponry. I already have my trusty hmg so I don't really care about another weapon others may feel differently

A kid walks into a candy store. The candy store only takes skill points. The kid wants cherry flavored candy. The store Manager says "we aren't finished making it, It will be a wile but we have pineapple and strawberry candy." The Kid has a choice to make. Does he use up his saved skill points for what he doesn't want? Or does he just go home and wait till he get's the word that they finally have the candy he wants?

In most cases we use up the skill points on things we really don't want. So yes choice is a consequence. I don't think it's the same consequence that CCP was intending. The core is not finished, I want to play a Caldari heavy or scout. I have to wait but I find it very hard to do so. I like to play assault but when I am going against really good players with really good gear. I switch to sniper. I like variety. But my choices right now are limited. I just want the core stuff available. I think then there should be a clean slate to start a fresh. I don't want to be stuck with millions of skill points in things I am not going to use when they finish the core gear. One last respec, after that, NO MORE! That is fair is it not?

When you purchase a skill and its function is clear, and the same goes for ANY item that is bought. You purchase it with what CCP hopes is a "clear" understanding of the mechanics of the skill or item.

If you purchase a skill with a current understanding, than that item or skills mechanics are changed.......

Than yes, you are due a respec, under any purchases in the real world with real items, if this was done it would not be right...example.

Cheverolet comes and removes your v/8 motor from your car they sold you and replaces it with a v/6 due to other drivers complaints that the car was too fast.


That mentality does not work, you would not allow it.

Respec to all that the changes effected....

The stats of the suit were mildly altered, not its purpose or role. Do you buy a cheverolet because it had a V/8 engine in it? Or do you buy it because its a cheverolet? Im not a car man, but im pretty sure a V/8 engine isn't limited to just a cheverolet..... And what your saying might even make sense if this was across the board stuff.

But this pertains to one suit, and its not even a bad nerf. Mathematically its an 11% decrease in the suits maximum possible shields. It still has 585 maximum possible shields, which.... last time I checked is more then my gallente logis total EHP. Does this justify a respec? Absolutely not. Did their mislabeling issue with vehicle skills warrant a respec? Yes, because people were essentially getting lied to.

No its not. Were missing 2 racial scout suits, and 3 racial heavy suits. That adds up to 5 suits. theres already more then 10 suits available. To a majority of people, any further respecs would just be a freebie. And as for your whole saving theory..... racial heavies are at a MINIMUM 1 month away. 1 month is enough to make about 2 Million with boosters on (if my math holds) If you have SP saved up, spend it on a suit that's solid OR core skills. The solid suit would give you something to work with while you wait, and the core skills go across all suits, and will therefore always be useful. You want variety? There is a militia market that lets you try just about anything you know.....

No its not. Were missing 2 racial scout suits, and 3 racial heavy suits. That adds up to 5 suits. theres already more then 10 suits available. To a majority of people, any further respecs would just be a freebie. And as for your whole saving theory..... racial heavies are at a MINIMUM 1 month away. 1 month is enough to make about 2 Million with boosters on (if my math holds) If you have SP saved up, spend it on a suit that's solid OR core skills. The solid suit would give you something to work with while you wait, and the core skills go across all suits, and will therefore always be useful. You want variety? There is a militia market that lets you try just about anything you know.....

I have no respect for more respecs.

I agree with caldari logis needing to suck it up, but the scout suit is in no need of a buff. I mean really? The title of the suit is "Scout"..... How many "scout" roles in real life wars have ever come into contact with enemy forces and lived? Idk.... but I doubt the guy with a bicycle, pistol, and ranger clothes are gonna beat somebody in heavy body armor with an AR.

Scouts in my opinion should be used as..... scouts..... go figure right? I mean..... if there was a class or specialization of the scout role called "combat scout" or "rapid assault suit" or something like that I would go "ok I see what you mean" but when you spec into a suit that's meant for scouting its hard to understand why your upset that it cant compete with assault suits......

A kid walks into a candy store. The candy store only takes skill points. The kid wants cherry flavored candy. The store Manager says "we aren't finished making it, It will be a wile but we have pineapple and strawberry candy." The Kid has a choice to make. Does he use up his saved skill points for what he doesn't want? Or does he just go home and wait till he get's the word that they finally have the candy he wants?

[quote=80 less shields to my 670? 20 less CPU? GAMEBREAKING I CALL MEGA HACKS, GIVE ME SP RESPEC NOWWWWW........ is all I see.

If someone put their "time" into grinding for weeks due to an item or skill they want, than a purchase is made, than a balance or nerf follows, a person has every right to expect a refund or respec. Its real easy to dismiss peoples complaints on a issue when it isnot your time that was wasted grinding for a skill or item than it gets changed.

I am happy with my build, but I understand. the victims frustration.

lowratehitman dropping down some real logic in here.

Much respect to you sir.

So your saying every should do what? Get a respec? Into .......?
The whole scout class got bombed not a fit, so what do we do?

lowratehitman dropping down some real logic in here.

Much respect to you sir.

If someone put their "time" into grinding for weeks due to an item or skill they want, than a purchase is made, than a balance or nerf follows, a person has every right to expect a refund or respec. Its real easy to dismiss peoples complaints on a issue when it isnot your time that was wasted grinding for a skill or item than it gets changed.

I am happy with my build, but I understand. the victims frustration.

Who else likes to live with the decisions they make? Lol, the irony.

"The horror, the horror" 2 points to whoever figures out where that's a quote from!

we should consider a respec each time CCP makes a change but just a respec to the skills that are affected.

Shouldn't have spec'd into them in the first place... one look at those suit stats would've shown you not to.

There isn't gonna be one for 1.3.

No need for a petition