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DoomLead
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
126
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Posted - 2013.07.20 15:57:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:Twomanchew wrote:A kid walks into a candy store. The candy store only takes skill points. The kid wants cherry flavored candy. The store Manager says "we aren't finished making it, It will be a wile but we have pineapple and strawberry candy." The Kid has a choice to make. Does he use up his saved skill points for what he doesn't want? Or does he just go home and wait till he get's the word that they finally have the candy he wants?
In most cases we use up the skill points on things we really don't want. So yes choice is a consequence. I don't think it's the same consequence that CCP was intending. The core is not finished, I want to play a Caldari heavy or scout. I have to wait but I find it very hard to do so. I like to play assault but when I am going against really good players with really good gear. I switch to sniper. I like variety. But my choices right now are limited. I just want the core stuff available. I think then there should be a clean slate to start a fresh. I don't want to be stuck with millions of skill points in things I am not going to use when they finish the core gear. One last respec, after that, NO MORE! That is fair is it not? No its not. Were missing 2 racial scout suits, and 3 racial heavy suits. That adds up to 5 suits. theres already more then 10 suits available. To a majority of people, any further respecs would just be a freebie. And as for your whole saving theory..... racial heavies are at a MINIMUM 1 month away. 1 month is enough to make about 2 Million with boosters on (if my math holds) If you have SP saved up, spend it on a suit that's solid OR core skills. The solid suit would give you something to work with while you wait, and the core skills go across all suits, and will therefore always be useful. You want variety? There is a militia market that lets you try just about anything you know..... your math is wrong this actually adds up to 9 racial heavies( basic,commando and sentinel) and 8 racial lights(basic, pilot, scout) so this brings your total to 17 suits that haven't been released so if a last respec isn't in order there is something wrong with you why would I waste 2 million sp on another suit when it could have went to core skills and you people who say I should have waited or crazy I would have been a liabilty to my corp and any team I was on during any pub matches running around in militia gear 1st and foremost I want to achieve racial symmetry for my toon with core skills maxed and then maybe think about other weapons racial symmetry means when my minmatar heavy sentinel is maxed I will spec into the minmatar heavy commando and when the heavy commando is maxed i will spec into minmatar vehicles if there are no vehicles I will spec into the combat rifle if that isn't released i will max out the flaylock my hmg is already maxed. this is what I mean by racial symmetry for my toon which so far this game doesn't allow and you hard-line no respec dudes are basically telling me that somewhere around 4 million of my 9 million sp is wasted cause when minmatar heavy comes out I won't ever use amarr stuff anymore |
pierce Hawkeye
843 Boot Camp
41
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Posted - 2013.07.20 16:16:00 -
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Can someone tell me what the big deal is with getting a respec. its not affect you no repec people much anyway, yeah sure you have to spec into everthing which that takes about a minute why ruin other players hope of a better future where they can skill out of nerfed things or skill out of thing they don't like why? why are you fighting this? and i know soon enough someone will say that i'm QQing or adapt or die or i'm an fotm chaser (which i'm not i've just skilled into something i either don't like to much or were nerfed) or some other butt hurt thing and honestly i'm annoyed by you people and the way you act and a good group of you guys are also the whiners that get things nerfed so i'm going to end off with the same question why? |
DeadlyAztec11
Max-Pain-inc Dark Taboo
1586
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Posted - 2013.07.20 16:18:00 -
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I have no respect for more respecs. |
pierce Hawkeye
843 Boot Camp
41
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Posted - 2013.07.20 16:22:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I have no respect for more respecs.
what happened aztec you use to be cool *sniffle* why man? why? |
Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
188
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Posted - 2013.07.20 16:29:00 -
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Signed |
DoomLead
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
130
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Posted - 2013.07.20 17:57:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:OZAROW wrote:DoomLead wrote:OZAROW wrote:DoomLead wrote:Spoken like a true fanboy. There should only be one more respec and that is when all racial dropsuits come out I am a heavy and a minmatar who is stuck with an amarr suit this is the only reaspn a respec should be given. A respec shpuld not be given for reblancing issues. One respec should be given when racial symmetry occurs for the dropsuits n maybe the racial weaponry. I already have my trusty hmg so I don't really care about another weapon others may feel differently Only the equivalent people have spent on their suits, I believe you should send a ticket requesting the racial switch an when u turn on dust one day it's there nothing other than that. Just the suit you have requested in the ticket everything else stays More to it the sentinel has 4 low slots so I am an armor tanker what if minmatar sentinel has 4 high slots th+án I am stuck armo4 tanking Then I say too bad! Since 1.2 my stamina got nerfed, every scout weapon has bad hit detection an if it worked perfect people would say scouts are op. my whole suit pg an slots got nerfed in uprising an I can't fit all my slots that I have now, scouts are too underpowered an so are the weapons we use an a proto suit only gives me 60 more hp for the cost of 60000 . So screw people crying respect you have no clue what NERF IS unless your a scout! Cal logi whiners can bite me! I agree with caldari logis needing to suck it up, but the scout suit is in no need of a buff. I mean really? The title of the suit is "Scout"..... How many "scout" roles in real life wars have ever come into contact with enemy forces and lived? Idk.... but I doubt the guy with a bicycle, pistol, and ranger clothes are gonna beat somebody in heavy body armor with an AR. Scouts in my opinion should be used as..... scouts..... go figure right? I mean..... if there was a class or specialization of the scout role called "combat scout" or "rapid assault suit" or something like that I would go "ok I see what you mean" but when you spec into a suit that's meant for scouting its hard to understand why your upset that it cant compete with assault suits...... uhm I am a heavy and all i want is a minmatar heavy |
kiro of justice
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2013.07.20 18:25:00 -
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Signed. Respecs are lame. |
Pocket Rocket Girl
Psygod9 RISE of LEGION
4
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Posted - 2013.07.20 19:37:00 -
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Twomanchew wrote:A kid walks into a candy store. The candy store only takes skill points. The kid wants cherry flavored candy. The store Manager says "we aren't finished making it, It will be a wile but we have pineapple and strawberry candy." The Kid has a choice to make. Does he use up his saved skill points for what he doesn't want? Or does he just go home and wait till he get's the word that they finally have the candy he wants?
Did said candy store have orange candy? that's what i want
but i can agree on that. when the flaylock and scramble rifle came out i speced into the first levels and tried them out i didn't like them but i didn't demand for a respec i realized that i was taking a risk and accepted that i might not like the candy flavor but i live with what i have chosen. |
Pocket Rocket Girl
Psygod9 RISE of LEGION
4
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Posted - 2013.07.20 19:44:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:[quote=80 less shields to my 670? 20 less CPU? GAMEBREAKING I CALL MEGA HACKS, GIVE ME SP RESPEC NOWWWWW........ is all I see.
But but how do you expect me to live with 80 less shields its not fair i say not fair * throws self on floor and cries* |
M00N UNIT
Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo
13
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Posted - 2013.07.20 19:57:00 -
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So the general theme of this thread looks like "Deal with your decisions." My decision was to go for what I deemed to be the best. Spent months leveling and training skills to get the build that I deemed to be the best, then it gets nerfed and somehow it's my fault? It's a bunch of bullshit. So far they've nerfed everything I decide to start dumping points into. Maybe they should've figured out what in the hell they were doing before they declared the game out of beta and ready for release. If this game wasn't free, it would be making headlines as the biggest flop ever. Months after release and it's still missing half the game (PvE) and dealing with BASIC issues like loading screen freezes and disconnections from PSN. Eve knocked it out of the park and this game had the potential to blow every FPS on the market out of the water, including blockbusters like Halo and Battlefield, but CCP blows so much ass that they release a game that crashes PS3's and has guns that fire phantom bullets that do no damage. But "it's a known issue and they're working on it" so I guess I should quit bitching. |
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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1088
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Posted - 2013.07.20 20:00:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:If someone put their "time" into grinding for weeks due to an item or skill they want, than a purchase is made, than a balance or nerf follows, a person has every right to expect a refund or respec. Its real easy to dismiss peoples complaints on a issue when it isnot your time that was wasted grinding for a skill or item than it gets changed.
I am happy with my build, but I understand. the victims frustration.
lowratehitman dropping down some real logic in here.
Much respect to you sir. |
OZAROW
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
201
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Posted - 2013.07.21 00:50:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:lowratehitman wrote:If someone put their "time" into grinding for weeks due to an item or skill they want, than a purchase is made, than a balance or nerf follows, a person has every right to expect a refund or respec. Its real easy to dismiss peoples complaints on a issue when it isnot your time that was wasted grinding for a skill or item than it gets changed.
I am happy with my build, but I understand. the victims frustration. lowratehitman dropping down some real logic in here. Much respect to you sir. So your saying every should do what? Get a respec? Into .......? The whole scout class got bombed not a fit, so what do we do? |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1088
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Posted - 2013.07.21 00:54:00 -
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OZAROW wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:lowratehitman wrote:If someone put their "time" into grinding for weeks due to an item or skill they want, than a purchase is made, than a balance or nerf follows, a person has every right to expect a refund or respec. Its real easy to dismiss peoples complaints on a issue when it isnot your time that was wasted grinding for a skill or item than it gets changed.
I am happy with my build, but I understand. the victims frustration. lowratehitman dropping down some real logic in here. Much respect to you sir. So your saying every should do what? Get a respec? Into .......? The whole scout class got bombed not a fit, so what do we do?
Shouldn't have spec'd into them in the first place... one look at those suit stats would've shown you not to. |
Xero The Mishima
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
216
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Posted - 2013.07.21 00:56:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:lowratehitman wrote:If someone put their "time" into grinding for weeks due to an item or skill they want, than a purchase is made, than a balance or nerf follows, a person has every right to expect a refund or respec. Its real easy to dismiss peoples complaints on a issue when it isnot your time that was wasted grinding for a skill or item than it gets changed.
I am happy with my build, but I understand. the victims frustration. lowratehitman dropping down some real logic in here. Much respect to you sir.
He needs to make a video about this blasphemous crime done by CCP. Do it Low Rate! I like your vids! |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood
651
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Posted - 2013.07.21 01:05:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:If someone put their "time" into grinding for weeks due to an item or skill they want, than a purchase is made, than a balance or nerf follows, a person has every right to expect a refund or respec. Its real easy to dismiss peoples complaints on a issue when it isnot your time that was wasted grinding for a skill or item than it gets changed.
I am happy with my build, but I understand. the victims frustration.
The most im willing to admit is that they deserve a respec for the points they put into that suit. As much as I want to hate and deny it, you are right. They payed for something that they wont be getting anymore. But as for a full respec? hell no. 2.5 million for that dropsuit? Sure.... I guess..... nothing like encouraging FOTM, but it is fair. |
SlyFrenzy
Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.07.21 09:51:00 -
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we should consider a respec each time CCP makes a change but just a respec to the skills that are affected. |
Twomanchew
G.R.A.V.E
31
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Posted - 2013.07.21 12:13:00 -
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Or keep the points we have in core skills but return all the skill points we have in gear. |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
519
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Posted - 2013.07.21 12:19:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:Who else likes to live with the decisions they make? Lol, the irony.
"The horror, the horror" 2 points to whoever figures out where that's a quote from!
Heart of Darkness by Joseph conrad |
Jaqen Morghalis
Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance
190
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Posted - 2013.07.21 13:27:00 -
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SlyFrenzy wrote:we should consider a respec each time CCP makes a change but just a respec to the skills that are affected.
Maybe only that one "branch" of the Skill Tree?
Cal Logi gets adjusted, so the SP put specifically into Cal LOGI are returned, for example, backing them down the Skill Tree to the point where they chose which Cal Medium suit to specialize in, between Assault or Logi.
Basically, only respec the points from the specific Skill affected and any that come after it on the Skill Tree that have it as a prerequisite.
A full respec is completely unnecessary.
Just an though... |
We are 138
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
144
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Posted - 2013.07.21 13:37:00 -
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Sign me up for that! No more respects forever! |
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OZAROW
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
202
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Posted - 2013.07.21 18:23:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:OZAROW wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:lowratehitman wrote:If someone put their "time" into grinding for weeks due to an item or skill they want, than a purchase is made, than a balance or nerf follows, a person has every right to expect a refund or respec. Its real easy to dismiss peoples complaints on a issue when it isnot your time that was wasted grinding for a skill or item than it gets changed.
I am happy with my build, but I understand. the victims frustration. lowratehitman dropping down some real logic in here. Much respect to you sir. So your saying every should do what? Get a respec? Into .......? The whole scout class got bombed not a fit, so what do we do? Shouldn't have spec'd into them in the first place... one look at those suit stats would've shown you not to. That wasn't the problem, I could get over 20 knife kills a match in 1.1 then in 1.2 there was this magical stamina nerf, that ruined the running jumpin an dodging, plus now our hit box increased with our speed so we can be shot an there is a delay on the knives, so quick slashes aren't the same.
Then the brought in the stupid strafe speed which effects the hit detection on shotguns an knives an this is what hurt us. An ya our stats suck but untill 1.2 good scouts could manage an even now I've got used to it.
But no way in hell should a cal logi get a respec since now it's a actual logistics suit. Nerfing a whole class is different than balancing a suit. Were not asking for respecs we just want what's broken to work, cal logis just want a excuse to change because now they don't have the best assault suit in the game, plain an simple |
Skipper Jones
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
474
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Posted - 2013.07.21 18:30:00 -
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There isn't gonna be one for 1.3.
No need for a petition |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood
653
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Posted - 2013.07.21 19:17:00 -
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Skipper Jones wrote:There isn't gonna be one for 1.3.
No need for a petition
Its more of an irony post man, I know full well there wont be one. CCP mintchip has confirmed this, I just thought it was funny that people put up respect petition threads so I put a counter one. |
Loud Panda
The Pyramid Order
1
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Posted - 2013.08.09 02:22:00 -
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I for one am not in favor of any Respec ever. The original respec was only necessary due to the complete restructure of the skill point tree. I believe crying is no way to sway the game into your favor. People know the points they are spending on each skill and just because the "flavor of the month" is no longer the flavor they feel that they should be refunded their points in order to keep the game broken and unfair for others. Choose a role that you enjoy and stick by it. I for one have always had a Blueprint Assault rifle since the start of open beta and just recently started to spec into my sniper rifle in order to save money and increase K/D ratio. If it's easy for you to get 20-30 kills each match against prototype suits don't be surprised when they get nerfed. Like I said about the flaylock, people will be very unhappy they skilled into it once CCP does eventually change it. Same has been true of everything in the past. The laser rifle and the tactical assault are 2 other prime examples. Exploiting obvious flaws in the game only steers new players away and to quit and only upsets the player who is exploiting once they no longer can. Play the game on a fair level and with the role and weapon you enjoy and you will never have to complain that you are now getting killed 12+ times a match with no kills to show for it. I truly believe in karma and it is now coming around to bite those players in the ass.
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Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
777
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Posted - 2013.08.31 14:30:00 -
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Because controversy is fun right? |
Rinzler XVII
Forsaken Immortals Top Men.
47
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Posted - 2013.08.31 14:44:00 -
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Until all the weapons and the game is balanced there has to be the option for respecs, Im sick and tired of all this risk reward nonsense .. the game IS NOT BALANCED if there was BALANCE there wouldn;t be a FOTM and the simple fact is this game is still in development it is in no way a released game .. it's **** poor if you think it is, when i hear ppl saying you should save SP incase they release something you want in the future .. why not save ALL your damn SP never spec into anything and just not bother playing the game at all ? Until there is a core of things in the game respecs have to be allowed .. I also hear ppl saying create an alt and spec into all weapons to try them out .. UMMMM yeah .. how is that realistic sonny jim ?? You can create a 2nd character and spec into things to try them out and then delete the charcter and do it again yet you cant try things out on your main character and then respec later ...
It seems to me alot of ppl calling for no respecs seem to want to have their cake and eat it ... typical evetards and protoscrubs they dont want competition they just want to pubstomp v new players and kill the game .. well you are starting to get what you wish for this game has a player retention of 1 in 30,000 and seeing as the number of ppl trying the game out is dropping massively and all the bad reviews this game has been getting from all the gaming experts it wont be long now til the plug is pulled on this project and when it is I expect every single person who +1 this petition to have a long hard look at themselves and accept full responsibility for the games death |
SILVERBACK 02
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
206
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Posted - 2013.08.31 14:54:00 -
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funny how noone has signed this..
respec will happen weather you like it or not...
i just want it to happen sooner not later to shut everyone up. |
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