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Posted - 2013.07.19 16:40:00 -
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Who else likes to live with the decisions they make? Lol, the irony.
"The horror, the horror" 2 points to whoever figures out where that's a quote from! |
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Posted - 2013.07.19 17:35:00 -
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kiro of justice wrote:Heart of Darkness?
ding ding ding!! +2 for you! |
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Posted - 2013.07.19 18:36:00 -
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Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:I see no reason not to allow a monthly respec. This isn't EVE. It's a one trick pony game. There is no larger world to venture into where regular respecs could mess up the game.
You point and shoot. You don't like weapon you change it up next month and then youGǪ point and shoot.
Or in DUSTs present form you spam and throw, spam and throw.
Wrong! This might not be EVE but it is still very heavily similar to EVE. EVE is an unforgiving environment and this game should be the same way. I don't want a carebare society where "awwwww they nerfed my favorite gun, I should be able to switch to the next flavor of the month" is a normal thing for people. You live by the decisions you make, and I don't think you should be encouraged to spend SP stupidly because you know you'll get your "monthly respec" |
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Posted - 2013.07.19 18:41:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:Marston VC wrote:Who else likes to live with the decisions they make? Lol, the irony.
"The horror, the horror" 2 points to whoever figures out where that's a quote from! Was it the players who speced into the cal logi's decision to have their class nerfed? if CCP told everyone their class they spent SP on was getting nerfed later than it would have been their decision. But they dident. It was not their decision to pick a class that was going to be altered into something different than what the orginally choose. Its no longer what they signed up for. They should be respeced out of it
1.) Its losing 100 shields...... Big deal! you still have the other 585 HP. 2.) It doesn't take a lot to look at a suit like that and go "hmmmm maybe that's a bit overpowered and will get nerfed later on" 3.) we've already had 2 respecs...... if you decided to spec into that suit twice then that's your fault, not the DEVS.
This isn't like the 2nd respec where people got it due to literal mislabeling. You specced into a LOGISTICS suit, play it like a LOGISTICS SUIT. If you specced into that with the intentions of being a pseudo Assault then its your problem that you can't play with it that way anymore, Not CCP's. |
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Posted - 2013.07.19 19:44:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:Marston VC wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:Marston VC wrote:Who else likes to live with the decisions they make? Lol, the irony.
"The horror, the horror" 2 points to whoever figures out where that's a quote from! Was it the players who speced into the cal logi's decision to have their class nerfed? if CCP told everyone their class they spent SP on was getting nerfed later than it would have been their decision. But they dident. It was not their decision to pick a class that was going to be altered into something different than what the orginally choose. Its no longer what they signed up for. They should be respeced out of it 1.) Its losing 100 shields...... Big deal! you still have the other 585 HP. 2.) It doesn't take a lot to look at a suit like that and go "hmmmm maybe that's a bit overpowered and will get nerfed later on" 3.) we've already had 2 respecs...... if you decided to spec into that suit twice then that's your fault, not the DEVS. This isn't like the 2nd respec where people got it due to literal mislabeling. You specced into a LOGISTICS suit, play it like a LOGISTICS SUIT. If you specced into that with the intentions of being a pseudo Assault then its your problem that you can't play with it that way anymore, Not CCP's. No, that is CCPs fault. Like you said, it is "A LOGISTICS SUIT" and it sure was when it was given to us. Lots of PG/CPU to fit all 3 or 4 equipment slots and some slots to fit support items like dampeners, code breakers and scanners, the like. Had enough combat suitability to support itself and stick around long enough to use all of the logi goodies its packen. OP? hell yeah it is! but CCP gave us that suit and ppl were like "yes, this is what i want to do. i want to do all that." now they cant. Its no longer the class they speced into, and they dont want to play the way the class forces them to now. It is not fun to them. So, with their class changed, they should be able to spec out of it and play how they want to play. Do you disagree, that they should stay in a class that was changed and no longer enjoy? it wasent their fualt CCP changed it. now their hating dust
1.) it can still fulfill all the roles you mentioned. it lost 20 CPU..... you got 4 low slots so slam a CPU mod in if its that bad. Your acting like they broke the suit, they took (at maximum depending on your fit) 90 HP away with 20 CPU. Do you know what that means? WHOA Your suit can have less HP then the ASSAULT version of their suit! Crazy right? Go figure..... 2.) Sorry if the people who wanted to do everything in ONE suit cant do it all anymore..... 1st world problems right? |
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Posted - 2013.07.19 19:48:00 -
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Soldiersaint wrote:kiro of justice wrote:Soldiersaint wrote:Marston VC wrote:Who else likes to live with the decisions they make? Lol, the irony.
"The horror, the horror" 2 points to whoever figures out where that's a quote from! i already do that trash in real life....now i have to do it in a video game? -1 Dumbass...That was a main marketing point for this game. Remember? They had trailers and Dev interviews about it? Yeah... well that is true.......but ccp keeps smashing our toys man...you skill into something...and next thing you know they turn it into trash.... im an amarr logi that uses the scram rifle.....and im telling as of right now....this stuff isnt working to well at all.
Well good news for you! The amar logi is getting a pretty good buff this upcoming patch! And I mean..... running the SR on that suit really shouldn't be "tough" if your doing it right..... I run an SR on a gallente Logi and I do great! |
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Posted - 2013.07.19 19:50:00 -
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Vethosis wrote:the reason i want a respec is because i'm bored of this forge gun.
ehhhh do you not have a gun other then the forge gun? |
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Posted - 2013.07.19 19:53:00 -
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Mike Poole wrote:Pocket Rocket Girl wrote:Didn't CCP say something about Risk vs. Reward ? Well people who took the risk of ordering the FOTM get the reward of eating the same dish all day every day. I used to be Cal logi before uprising but.... now i glad i switched into min logi and i don't regret it one bit :) You don't regret one bit that if let's say you run an advanced Min logi suit you've lost major advantages you had over Amarr adv logi suits? That your balanced 3/3/3 high/low/equip slots are now shared by a suit that also has a higher native shield/armor and also can carry a sidearm?
You get more Equipment slots at the proto level, and your suit is overall faster, and has an extra high slot on the proto level. The Amar logi might have more base health, but it has one less equipment and high slot. With the addition of the sidearm I would say that this suit is the closest to being an "assault logi" now. But maybe that's just me? |
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:03:00 -
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I look at CCP like a bunch of semi-kind parents. They wronged the kids early on and were like "ok ok, were sorry will buy you kids a couple popsicles to make up for it" Then the kids start demanding more popsicles because there like "hey you kind of did this wrong too right????" and the parents just turn around and go "F no, you aint getting more freebies kid" and then I stand in the corner by myself thinking about how I never once asked for the popsicle, but was happy when I did get one! |
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Posted - 2013.07.20 11:40:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Explain how paying to correct a mistake nullifies "Your actions have consequences " which is the line I tend to see most often bandied about when people start to talk about respecs
Not everyone has money to spend on a supposedly free to play game. Paying to "correct your mistake" is the same as the game being "pay to win" which is entirely unfair as not everyone has the same economic status as each other. Nor does everyone rate this game equally on their priority lists.
Furthermore, your not correcting a "mistake". A mistake by definition is when you make a choice that was incorrect. If you choose to spec into the caldari logistics suit, that wasn't a mistake, that was you making a conscience choice to spec into what is supposed to be a LOGISTICS suit. Unhappy its getting altered a bit so that it will better fulfill its intended role? Well that's too bad because I doubt the description for this suit is going to change.....
You weren't tricked, you weren't fooled, and you presumably choosing this suit was certainly not a mistake. If anything your just feeling sorry for yourself, which is pathetic in its own right. |
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Posted - 2013.07.20 11:43:00 -
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Aythadis Smith wrote:
Seriously, am I missing something? The class doesn't seem that broken. This doesn't seem as bad as being a scout (which I also do on the frequent)
I swear all of us have got to be getting trolled. It's not like they are getting one shotted by every gun in the game
Your completely right, the nerf to the suit isn't bad at all. The suits maximum shield HP is dropping down by about 80HP, and its also losing 20 CPU. That's hardly a nerf when you consider it still gets 585HP shields if maxed out. But after reading what people say you'd swear they chopped five slots off this thing..... crazy right? |
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Posted - 2013.07.20 11:47:00 -
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OZAROW wrote:DoomLead wrote:OZAROW wrote:DoomLead wrote:Spoken like a true fanboy. There should only be one more respec and that is when all racial dropsuits come out I am a heavy and a minmatar who is stuck with an amarr suit this is the only reaspn a respec should be given. A respec shpuld not be given for reblancing issues. One respec should be given when racial symmetry occurs for the dropsuits n maybe the racial weaponry. I already have my trusty hmg so I don't really care about another weapon others may feel differently Only the equivalent people have spent on their suits, I believe you should send a ticket requesting the racial switch an when u turn on dust one day it's there nothing other than that. Just the suit you have requested in the ticket everything else stays More to it the sentinel has 4 low slots so I am an armor tanker what if minmatar sentinel has 4 high slots th+án I am stuck armo4 tanking Then I say too bad! Since 1.2 my stamina got nerfed, every scout weapon has bad hit detection an if it worked perfect people would say scouts are op. my whole suit pg an slots got nerfed in uprising an I can't fit all my slots that I have now, scouts are too underpowered an so are the weapons we use an a proto suit only gives me 60 more hp for the cost of 60000 . So screw people crying respect you have no clue what NERF IS unless your a scout! Cal logi whiners can bite me!
I agree with caldari logis needing to suck it up, but the scout suit is in no need of a buff. I mean really? The title of the suit is "Scout"..... How many "scout" roles in real life wars have ever come into contact with enemy forces and lived? Idk.... but I doubt the guy with a bicycle, pistol, and ranger clothes are gonna beat somebody in heavy body armor with an AR.
Scouts in my opinion should be used as..... scouts..... go figure right? I mean..... if there was a class or specialization of the scout role called "combat scout" or "rapid assault suit" or something like that I would go "ok I see what you mean" but when you spec into a suit that's meant for scouting its hard to understand why your upset that it cant compete with assault suits...... |
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Posted - 2013.07.20 11:50:00 -
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KingBlade82 wrote:Marston VC wrote:Who else likes to live with the decisions they make? Lol, the irony.
"The horror, the horror" 2 points to whoever figures out where that's a quote from! wish I could say f them -sticks out middle finger- but tbh this game is no where near complete when the gets done adding, tweaking and we have some normalcy they should allow one more respec and never again
EVE online is 10 years old and there still adding new skills and the such. Their players pay 20$ monthly and they have NEVER gotten a respec EVER. No matter how much was changed, (and believe me there has been several overhauls) EVE players have NEVER gotten a respec. Yet us Dust players..... have a FREE TO PLAY game for just over a year and were already demanding respecs? Seriously? WTF...... Or maybe im alone in my lack of understanding towards this. |
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Posted - 2013.07.20 11:52:00 -
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Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:Marston VC wrote:Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:I see no reason not to allow a monthly respec. This isn't EVE. It's a one trick pony game. There is no larger world to venture into where regular respecs could mess up the game.
You point and shoot. You don't like weapon you change it up next month and then youGǪ point and shoot.
Or in DUSTs present form you spam and throw, spam and throw. Wrong! This might not be EVE but it is still very heavily similar to EVE. EVE is an unforgiving environment and this game should be the same way. I don't want a carebare society where "awwwww they nerfed my favorite gun, I should be able to switch to the next flavor of the month" is a normal thing for people. You live by the decisions you make, and I don't think you should be encouraged to spend SP stupidly because you know you'll get your "monthly respec" IT'S A GAME! Stop being so serious. If you need a "harsh" second life go live some third world, war torn **** country. I want to play a game. I want to have fun. A monthly respec would certainly keep the game interesting and most likely keep CCP in the money from people buying different stuff to try with their new spec. Living with your choices means the same thing here that it does in EVEGǪ a core player base that hardly increases. No more revenue!
"fun" is opinion based. Some people enjoy waking up at 5 in the morning and going on a 3 mile jog. That doesn't mean you or I would though. If you want an easy to play game, that gives you tons of little cheap rewards for every other thing you do then go play something like COD or BF. Ill continue having FUN on this game, respecs or no. |
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Posted - 2013.07.20 12:00:00 -
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DoomLead wrote:Spoken like a true fanboy. There should only be one more respec and that is when all racial dropsuits come out I am a heavy and a minmatar who is stuck with an amarr suit this is the only reaspn a respec should be given. A respec shpuld not be given for reblancing issues. One respec should be given when racial symmetry occurs for the dropsuits n maybe the racial weaponry. I already have my trusty hmg so I don't really care about another weapon others may feel differently
1.) this thread isn't about all the racial suits that will eventually come out, this thread is argueing against the people who want a respec because there FOTM suit is going to be 5% less effective compared to what it is right now. 2.) If you cant save 2.5 million SP in 4 months when they finally get you your racial heavies then im just disappointed. 3.) the only reason we got the 1st respec was because of the complete Skill system change (and they didn't want to wipe our accounts again) The only reason we got a 2nd respec was because literal mislabeling issues on the skills people were buying.
there is no mislabel on the caldari logi. Its a logistics suit that's meant to fulfill a logistics role. We should not be given another respec when more suits come out. Period. Call me a fanboy all you want, I just don't want to play a game when game breaking features like "respecs" are constantly added and renewed. Its time for the community to harden up and accept that their god suit wont be 100% it is today.
80 less shields to my 670? 20 less CPU? GAMEBREAKING I CALL MEGA HACKS, GIVE ME SP RESPEC NOWWWWW........ is all I see. |
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Posted - 2013.07.20 12:06:00 -
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Twomanchew wrote:A kid walks into a candy store. The candy store only takes skill points. The kid wants cherry flavored candy. The store Manager says "we aren't finished making it, It will be a wile but we have pineapple and strawberry candy." The Kid has a choice to make. Does he use up his saved skill points for what he doesn't want? Or does he just go home and wait till he get's the word that they finally have the candy he wants?
In most cases we use up the skill points on things we really don't want. So yes choice is a consequence. I don't think it's the same consequence that CCP was intending. The core is not finished, I want to play a Caldari heavy or scout. I have to wait but I find it very hard to do so. I like to play assault but when I am going against really good players with really good gear. I switch to sniper. I like variety. But my choices right now are limited. I just want the core stuff available. I think then there should be a clean slate to start a fresh. I don't want to be stuck with millions of skill points in things I am not going to use when they finish the core gear. One last respec, after that, NO MORE! That is fair is it not?
No its not. Were missing 2 racial scout suits, and 3 racial heavy suits. That adds up to 5 suits. theres already more then 10 suits available. To a majority of people, any further respecs would just be a freebie. And as for your whole saving theory..... racial heavies are at a MINIMUM 1 month away. 1 month is enough to make about 2 Million with boosters on (if my math holds) If you have SP saved up, spend it on a suit that's solid OR core skills. The solid suit would give you something to work with while you wait, and the core skills go across all suits, and will therefore always be useful. You want variety? There is a militia market that lets you try just about anything you know..... |
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Posted - 2013.07.20 12:15:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:When you purchase a skill and its function is clear, and the same goes for ANY item that is bought. You purchase it with what CCP hopes is a "clear" understanding of the mechanics of the skill or item.
If you purchase a skill with a current understanding, than that item or skills mechanics are changed.......
Than yes, you are due a respec, under any purchases in the real world with real items, if this was done it would not be right...example.
Cheverolet comes and removes your v/8 motor from your car they sold you and replaces it with a v/6 due to other drivers complaints that the car was too fast.
That mentality does not work, you would not allow it.
Respec to all that the changes effected....
The stats of the suit were mildly altered, not its purpose or role. Do you buy a cheverolet because it had a V/8 engine in it? Or do you buy it because its a cheverolet? Im not a car man, but im pretty sure a V/8 engine isn't limited to just a cheverolet..... And what your saying might even make sense if this was across the board stuff.
But this pertains to one suit, and its not even a bad nerf. Mathematically its an 11% decrease in the suits maximum possible shields. It still has 585 maximum possible shields, which.... last time I checked is more then my gallente logis total EHP. Does this justify a respec? Absolutely not. Did their mislabeling issue with vehicle skills warrant a respec? Yes, because people were essentially getting lied to. |
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Posted - 2013.07.21 01:05:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:If someone put their "time" into grinding for weeks due to an item or skill they want, than a purchase is made, than a balance or nerf follows, a person has every right to expect a refund or respec. Its real easy to dismiss peoples complaints on a issue when it isnot your time that was wasted grinding for a skill or item than it gets changed.
I am happy with my build, but I understand. the victims frustration.
The most im willing to admit is that they deserve a respec for the points they put into that suit. As much as I want to hate and deny it, you are right. They payed for something that they wont be getting anymore. But as for a full respec? hell no. 2.5 million for that dropsuit? Sure.... I guess..... nothing like encouraging FOTM, but it is fair. |
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Posted - 2013.07.21 19:17:00 -
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Skipper Jones wrote:There isn't gonna be one for 1.3.
No need for a petition
Its more of an irony post man, I know full well there wont be one. CCP mintchip has confirmed this, I just thought it was funny that people put up respect petition threads so I put a counter one. |
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Posted - 2013.08.31 14:30:00 -
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Because controversy is fun right? |
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