How would you enforce it?

Could you be a bit more specific?

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1050658#post1050658

Here is my idea.

If I got you right then you're saying that PC should attract all the proto-bears so the new players can have fun in the pub matches.

But the problem is PC isn't that fun. Frame Rate the most OP gear. A while back people started backing out of PC because it was hard work rather than having fun. (I know this is EVE but everything has a limit)

Another solution would be enhancing the faction gameplay and adding equal gear for everyone to use. A lot of players who like the lore would fight for the faction they prefer to gain faction standing points.

[quote=Ansiiis The Trustworthy]If I got you right then you're saying that PC should attract all the proto-bears so the new players can have fun in the pub matches.



Not sure what you mean by most OP gear in PC - thats the point...

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and would actually start to make FW relevant

I haven't seen any indication that CCP would consider a separation based on gear, so I don't see a reason to worry about that.

As a new player, I have no issue with proto gear, I just want more balanced matches. And IMO the biggest detriment to balanced matches isn't proto gear but organised squads. It just happens to be worse when these organised squads are all decked out in proto gear.

I believe that faction battles should prevent organised squads bigger than 3.

Holy S*it it's a smart idea! I thought about simply having matches with all the gear from one meta level but your idea very clever.
+1

Only problem would be tanks. They would only be facing low meta players as there are no proto tanks. But there are proto turrets and modules so having a different meta level for tanks is great.

I don't like the idea of disallowing certain vehicles though.

Is this a suggestion or are you saying it already works this way? I was thinking recently that it would make sense if Factional Warfare would be limited to solo players. But then it also has to become much easier to get a FW match, I can't even be bothered checking anymore if 90% of the time I get "match already full".

Wait now wait now...

That wouldn't make any sense - fair enough, you could have a *mode* to make the MAX metalevel .. and then you would only be able to choose certain fits of yours... but a better alternative (in my opinon) would be to adjust the matchmaking as follows:

Balance based on Average Warpoints over past Month.

If you apply this, it would literally balance the situation. People who kill allot would be getting their warpoitns this way, where as people who rush from point to point capping could still be in these matches, and Logi's who just revive would need to pay more attention to reviving.
Snipers would still be able to function by picking off their odd target here and there.

It could also make people try different roles to boost WP to get into better matches.

I think this, coupled with the low player base would be a better alternative to filtering by skills/metalevel.
This would, of course, mean that pubstompers would be matched together, having great tough battles - and the average for everyone would go down to around 600-1200 WP.

To be honest, i'd much prefer to lose a game and have a good fight than pubstomp - playing against people with your skill level/slightly higher is always more fun as the sense of achievement is far greater - and the match is allot less dull and one-sided.

2c.

Yes we are developing a new matchmaking system which adapts to your skill level, so as you get better you should be put into more challenging battles.

Having said that we don't think matchmaking has a place for all battles, this is New Eden after all. We are working on plans to expand both faction warfare and planetary conquest to more players, hopefully providing a more "gloves off" battle for those that like that sort of thing.

Yes we are developing a new matchmaking system which adapts to your skill level, so as you get better you should be put into more challenging battles.

Having said that we don't think matchmaking has a place for all battles, this is New Eden after all. We are working on plans to expand both faction warfare and planetary conquest to more players, hopefully providing a more "gloves off" battle for those that like that sort of thing.

Thanks, for a minute I was scared that you would take away the sandbox for good. by sandbox I mean pubstomping (sandbox just sounds less evil)

You heard it here first, gentlemen: the sandbox is pubstomping.

Stop using New Eden as an excuse to not have matchmaking based on skill. In New Eden you have HI-sec, Low-Sec, and Null-Sec. You can always find somewhere that's fits your skill level. The sandbox is part of the game, but there are alternatives to getting stomped.

I have no problem with match making based on skill points so long as it pays out a lot more at higher skill levels. I mean a lot more.

If we're gonna get matched up with people with similar skill levels, that means at proto level we'll be seeing a lot more proto suits. Proto suits are expensive and 200-400k ISK per battle isn't going to cut it.

people in bpos would just go into high payout matches - wouldnt solve anything - whats the difference to the current situation?

Yes we are developing a new matchmaking system which adapts to your skill level, so as you get better you should be put into more challenging battles.

Having said that we don't think matchmaking has a place for all battles, this is New Eden after all. We are working on plans to expand both faction warfare and planetary conquest to more players, hopefully providing a more "gloves off" battle for those that like that sort of thing.

Yes we are developing a new matchmaking system which adapts to your skill level, so as you get better you should be put into more challenging battles.

Having said that we don't think matchmaking has a place for all battles, this is New Eden after all. We are working on plans to expand both faction warfare and planetary conquest to more players, hopefully providing a more "gloves off" battle for those that like that sort of thing.

Skill level or SP level?

You guys came up with the confusing nomenclature for your experience point leveling system. Would be nice if you spent extra care distinguishing between the two.



Titans can fly in high-sec yes?

Quit pretending like New Edan is hardcore when it clearly is not.

I would like to know IF protogear == titan, what I mean by that is is proto gear is the end of training things?

Do we know? Are we sure that there is just MLT, STD, ADV and PRO gear to each 'role'?

One big flaw against this system is, what happen if I have 27 mil SP and I tag up with some newberries that average 2 or 3 million SP per.

No really, theres no point to complicate yourself,
Matchmake by gear. Two level, MLT & STD together with low payout. ADV & PRO with better payout. Maybe a few tweak with vehicle restriction or remove vehicle completely for the MLT & STD level.

Keep it simple stupid. Now put your work force at developing new content, new type of maps so vets feel a bit disorientated, thank you.

Yes we are developing a new matchmaking system which adapts to your skill level, so as you get better you should be put into more challenging battles.

Having said that we don't think matchmaking has a place for all battles, this is New Eden after all. We are working on plans to expand both faction warfare and planetary conquest to more players, hopefully providing a more "gloves off" battle for those that like that sort of thing.

Yes we are developing a new matchmaking system which adapts to your skill level, so as you get better you should be put into more challenging battles.

Having said that we don't think matchmaking has a place for all battles, this is New Eden after all. We are working on plans to expand both faction warfare and planetary conquest to more players, hopefully providing a more "gloves off" battle for those that like that sort of thing.

Just to clarify by skill level I don't mean skill points, I mean actual battle effectiveness. In practical terms this could be due to your gear, your skill points, the design of your fittings or choice of weapons, whether you are playing in a squad, whether you use voice comms, whether you are using your preferred input device, how good your internet connection is, your situational awareness of the battle field, how good you are at aiming etc etc.

The true test of good matchmaking will be if the prediction on how effective you and your team will be against another can adapt to a lot of these difficult to track variables. Right now we are experimenting with a few different ways of doing this and the simulations are looking promising so far.

To the point about scaling rewards, we actually do adjust the reward payout based on the gear used in battle. This doesn't vary that much at the moment because we have quite mixed battles but in theory if the matchmaking can produce higher tier battles then I would expect to see higher tier payouts. This is something we will probably have to review once the new system is in place.

Just to clarify by skill level I don't mean skill points, I mean actual battle effectiveness. In practical terms this could be due to your gear, your skill points, the design of your fittings or choice of weapons, whether you are playing in a squad, whether you use voice comms, whether you are using your preferred input device, how good your internet connection is, your situational awareness of the battle field, how good you are at aiming etc etc.

The true test of good matchmaking will be if the prediction on how effective you and your team will be against another can adapt to a lot of these difficult to track variables. Right now we are experimenting with a few different ways of doing this and the simulations are looking promising so far.

To the point about scaling rewards, we actually do adjust the reward payout based on the gear used in battle. This doesn't vary that much at the moment because we have quite mixed battles but in theory if the matchmaking can produce higher tier battles then I would expect to see higher tier payouts. This is something we will probably have to review once the new system is in place.

Yes we are developing a new matchmaking system which adapts to your skill level, so as you get better you should be put into more challenging battles.

Having said that we don't think matchmaking has a place for all battles, this is New Eden after all. We are working on plans to expand both faction warfare and planetary conquest to more players, hopefully providing a more "gloves off" battle for those that like that sort of thing.

The only people who want Proto out of instant battle are people who can't run proto, fact.

The only people who want Proto out of instant battle are people who can't run proto, fact.

my "militia" mode idea seems wayyy easier lol u only allow militia gear for a militia match and so on and so forth if we wanted to split it up but tbh I think we could only do militia for new players and reg for normal players

Just to clarify by skill level I don't mean skill points, I mean actual battle effectiveness. In practical terms this could be due to your gear, your skill points, the design of your fittings or choice of weapons, whether you are playing in a squad, whether you use voice comms, whether you are using your preferred input device, how good your internet connection is, your situational awareness of the battle field, how good you are at aiming etc etc.

You heard it here first, gentlemen: the sandbox is pubstomping.