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Ansiiis The Trustworthy
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Posted - 2013.07.19 07:21:00 -
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So CCP promised us a better matchmaking system to prevent squads of proto-bears squashing new players. There are to opinions of this :
1) New players think of this as the solution of all their problems.
2) Proto-Bears thinks of this as CCP nerfing the sandbox element.
So that means CCP have different ways of approaching this :
1) Player chosen matchmaking - players freely choose to be stomped by proto-bears(unlikely) or proto-bear submits to using the gear limitations.
2) Automatic match making that automatically matches pro-bears with pro-bears and nubletz with nubletz.
What bothers me is that CCP could take the second route and take out the Sandbox element therefore disallowing people with greater skill to fight against P-B and taking away the means for P-B to save money. |
Ansiiis The Trustworthy
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Posted - 2013.07.19 07:43:00 -
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If I got you right then you're saying that PC should attract all the proto-bears so the new players can have fun in the pub matches.
But the problem is PC isn't that fun. Frame Rate the most OP gear. A while back people started backing out of PC because it was hard work rather than having fun. (I know this is EVE but everything has a limit)
Another solution would be enhancing the faction gameplay and adding equal gear for everyone to use. A lot of players who like the lore would fight for the faction they prefer to gain faction standing points. |
Ansiiis The Trustworthy
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Posted - 2013.07.19 07:58:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:How would you enforce it?
Could you be a bit more specific? |
Ansiiis The Trustworthy
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Posted - 2013.07.19 08:07:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1050658#post1050658
Here is my idea.
Holy S*it it's a smart idea! I thought about simply having matches with all the gear from one meta level but your idea very clever.
+1
Only problem would be tanks. They would only be facing low meta players as there are no proto tanks. But there are proto turrets and modules so having a different meta level for tanks is great. |
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Posted - 2013.07.19 08:25:00 -
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xAckie wrote:[quote=Ansiiis The Trustworthy]If I got you right then you're saying that PC should attract all the proto-bears so the new players can have fun in the pub matches.
Not sure what you mean by most OP gear in PC - thats the point...
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and would actually start to make FW relevant
When alliances make treaties to not use flaylocks it kind of explains my statement. |
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Posted - 2013.07.19 09:08:00 -
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Duck Drahko wrote:I haven't seen any indication that CCP would consider a separation based on gear, so I don't see a reason to worry about that.
As a new player, I have no issue with proto gear, I just want more balanced matches. And IMO the biggest detriment to balanced matches isn't proto gear but organised squads. It just happens to be worse when these organised squads are all decked out in proto gear.
I believe that faction battles should prevent organised squads bigger than 3. |
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Posted - 2013.07.19 09:19:00 -
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Duck Drahko wrote:Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote:Duck Drahko wrote:I haven't seen any indication that CCP would consider a separation based on gear, so I don't see a reason to worry about that.
As a new player, I have no issue with proto gear, I just want more balanced matches. And IMO the biggest detriment to balanced matches isn't proto gear but organised squads. It just happens to be worse when these organised squads are all decked out in proto gear. I believe that faction battles should prevent organised squads bigger than 3. Is this a suggestion or are you saying it already works this way? I was thinking recently that it would make sense if Factional Warfare would be limited to solo players. But then it also has to become much easier to get a FW match, I can't even be bothered checking anymore if 90% of the time I get "match already full".
Should - suggestion.
And I sometimes play FW just because I'm Caldari. |
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Posted - 2013.07.19 10:35:00 -
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Young-tree wrote:Wait now wait now...
That wouldn't make any sense - fair enough, you could have a *mode* to make the MAX metalevel .. and then you would only be able to choose certain fits of yours... but a better alternative (in my opinon) would be to adjust the matchmaking as follows:
Balance based on Average Warpoints over past Month.
If you apply this, it would literally balance the situation. People who kill allot would be getting their warpoitns this way, where as people who rush from point to point capping could still be in these matches, and Logi's who just revive would need to pay more attention to reviving.
Snipers would still be able to function by picking off their odd target here and there.
It could also make people try different roles to boost WP to get into better matches.
I think this, coupled with the low player base would be a better alternative to filtering by skills/metalevel.
This would, of course, mean that pubstompers would be matched together, having great tough battles - and the average for everyone would go down to around 600-1200 WP.
To be honest, i'd much prefer to lose a game and have a good fight than pubstomp - playing against people with your skill level/slightly higher is always more fun as the sense of achievement is far greater - and the match is allot less dull and one-sided.
2c.
But it this case you don't have a choice and choice is everything in an MMO. I wouldn't mind having good battles instead of running through the map before your teammates get the kills. |
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Posted - 2013.07.19 11:35:00 -
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CCP Nullarbor wrote:Yes we are developing a new matchmaking system which adapts to your skill level, so as you get better you should be put into more challenging battles.
Having said that we don't think matchmaking has a place for all battles, this is New Eden after all. We are working on plans to expand both faction warfare and planetary conquest to more players, hopefully providing a more "gloves off" battle for those that like that sort of thing.
Thanks, for a minute I was scared that you would take away the sandbox for good. by sandbox I mean pubstomping (sandbox just sounds less evil) |
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Posted - 2013.07.19 11:56:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote:CCP Nullarbor wrote:Yes we are developing a new matchmaking system which adapts to your skill level, so as you get better you should be put into more challenging battles.
Having said that we don't think matchmaking has a place for all battles, this is New Eden after all. We are working on plans to expand both faction warfare and planetary conquest to more players, hopefully providing a more "gloves off" battle for those that like that sort of thing. Thanks, for a minute I was scared that you would take away the sandbox for good. by sandbox I mean pubstomping (sandbox just sounds less evil) You heard it here first, gentlemen: the sandbox is pubstomping.
There is a lot of logic behind it - sandbox elements allow us to pubstomp. Pubstomp itself allows for many ways of accomplishing the task therefore pubstomp = sandbox. |
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Ansiiis The Trustworthy
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Posted - 2013.07.20 13:59:00 -
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Spill the beans, Nully. |
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Posted - 2013.07.20 16:09:00 -
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Dale Templar wrote:The only people who want Proto out of instant battle are people who can't run proto, fact.
I run proto. I want it out. |
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