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Xero The Mishima
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
208
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Posted - 2013.07.19 00:48:00 -
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I have seen 2 people really good at this combo and honestly it's nearly unbeatable if the player is smart.
Regular Trooper Dia Farron
These are the 2 shoutouts.
They constantly cook their flux nade and just throw it down it takes away all the shields and just requires a single shot most the time for heavies a extra 2 more if you are in the 800-900 range. I know this is the way the game is working BUT if more people started running around with this combo you really could have a real problem on your hands.
I bring this problem to you NOW to prevent FoTM. Let's get it fixed NOW! Another Flaylock situation will probably kill this game. Worst case scenario you wanna take the let's just wait and see approach this post is put out there so the smurfs know what to spec into next and vets don't have a advantage. Will also be sending in ticket to get your attention to it. |
Captain Wontubulous
Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
21
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Posted - 2013.07.19 00:54:00 -
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Xero The Mishima wrote:I have seen 2 people really good at this combo and honestly it's nearly unbeatable if the player is smart.
Regular Trooper Dia Farron
These are the 2 shoutouts.
They constantly cook their flux nade and just throw it down it takes away all the shields and just requires a single shot most the time for heavies a extra 2 more if you are in the 800-900 range. I know this is the way the game is working BUT if more people started running around with this combo you really could have a real problem on your hands.
I bring this problem to you NOW to prevent FoTM. Let's get it fixed NOW! Another Flaylock situation will probably kill this game. Worst case scenario you wanna take the let's just wait and see approach this post is put out there so the smurfs know what to spec into next and vets don't have a advantage. Will also be sending in ticket to get your attention to it.
Do you even use the mass driver? Please come try this combo on me. If you're having problems with this you need to stop standing still and stop leaving your team mates. |
Xero The Mishima
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
208
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Posted - 2013.07.19 00:55:00 -
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Captain Wontubulous wrote:Xero The Mishima wrote:I have seen 2 people really good at this combo and honestly it's nearly unbeatable if the player is smart.
Regular Trooper Dia Farron
These are the 2 shoutouts.
They constantly cook their flux nade and just throw it down it takes away all the shields and just requires a single shot most the time for heavies a extra 2 more if you are in the 800-900 range. I know this is the way the game is working BUT if more people started running around with this combo you really could have a real problem on your hands.
I bring this problem to you NOW to prevent FoTM. Let's get it fixed NOW! Another Flaylock situation will probably kill this game. Worst case scenario you wanna take the let's just wait and see approach this post is put out there so the smurfs know what to spec into next and vets don't have a advantage. Will also be sending in ticket to get your attention to it. Do you even use the mass driver? Please come try this combo on me. If you're having problems with this you need to stop standing still and stop leaving your team mates.
Stay on topic stop. |
xSaloLx
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
30
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Posted - 2013.07.19 01:00:00 -
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The Mass Driver has literally one job: CQB area of denial. And it does it's job perfectly. The drawback is that that's its only real use, as it's easily beaten in open field combat (not to mention shallow ammo supply and shot travel time). It shouldn't surprise you that you're omni-tool AR can't match a specialized weapon in its prime environment, especially if the user is using it correctly. It's not a game breaking insta-kill-al weapon, in any case. |
Xero The Mishima
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
208
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Posted - 2013.07.19 01:03:00 -
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xSaloLx wrote:The Mass Driver has literally one job: CQB area of denial. And it does it's job perfectly. The drawback is that that's its only real use, as it's easily beaten in open field combat (not to mention shallow ammo supply and shot travel time). It shouldn't surprise you that you're omni-tool AR can't match a specialized weapon in its prime environment, especially if the user is using it correctly. It's not a game breaking insta-kill-al weapon, in any case.
Post on mains please. If you can't please say your main so we can prove that the people coming in defending it are the people using it already. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
2832
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Posted - 2013.07.19 01:07:00 -
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xSaloLx wrote:The Mass Driver has literally one job: CQB area of denial. And it does it's job perfectly. The drawback is that that's its only real use, as it's easily beaten in open field combat (not to mention shallow ammo supply and shot travel time). It shouldn't surprise you that you're omni-tool AR can't match a specialized weapon in its prime environment, especially if the user is using it correctly. It's not a game breaking insta-kill-al weapon, in any case. /thread |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
5053
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Posted - 2013.07.19 01:09:00 -
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Xero The Mishima wrote:xSaloLx wrote:The Mass Driver has literally one job: CQB area of denial. And it does it's job perfectly. The drawback is that that's its only real use, as it's easily beaten in open field combat (not to mention shallow ammo supply and shot travel time). It shouldn't surprise you that you're omni-tool AR can't match a specialized weapon in its prime environment, especially if the user is using it correctly. It's not a game breaking insta-kill-al weapon, in any case. Post on mains please. If you can't please say your main so we can prove that the people coming in defending it are the people using it already. Main or not, he is right. How about you address his argument instead of accusing him of posting with an alt, because whether or not he's using an alt has no bearing on the truth of his argument. Also, ever considered some people are new to the forums? Not everyone with very few likes are alts. |
Xero The Mishima
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
208
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Posted - 2013.07.19 01:11:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Xero The Mishima wrote:xSaloLx wrote:The Mass Driver has literally one job: CQB area of denial. And it does it's job perfectly. The drawback is that that's its only real use, as it's easily beaten in open field combat (not to mention shallow ammo supply and shot travel time). It shouldn't surprise you that you're omni-tool AR can't match a specialized weapon in its prime environment, especially if the user is using it correctly. It's not a game breaking insta-kill-al weapon, in any case. Post on mains please. If you can't please say your main so we can prove that the people coming in defending it are the people using it already. Main or not, he is right. How about you address his argument instead of accusing him of posting with an alt, because whether or not he's using an alt has no bearing on the truth of his argument. Also, ever considered some people are new to the forums? Not everyone with very few likes are alts.
Not yet it isn't because most MD users don't use it the way that utilizes the method that makes this weapon unbeatable anywhere on the map. Which is the whole point of this thread. To get it looked at and we can figure something out NOW to prevent the future of everybody running around abusing this method.
Was me addressing him.... |
Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
772
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Posted - 2013.07.19 01:15:00 -
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*shrugs* if you ignore the fluxes tenancy to kill people this just seems like the use of two weapons that compliment eachother (to me anyway) doesn't seem like a problem to me just good tactics. |
Xero The Mishima
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
208
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Posted - 2013.07.19 01:16:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:*shrugs* if you ignore the fluxes tenancy to kill people this just seems like the use of two weapons that compliment eachother (to me anyway) doesn't seem like a problem to me just good tactics.
I don't disagree with that Sinboto not at all. It's called utilizing the gun to it's absolute strength making it the perfect gun. What happens though when EVERYBODY is running around doing this method?
This is what I am trying to do eliminate this from having to happen. |
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Dynnen Vvardenfell
187. League of Infamy
22
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Posted - 2013.07.19 01:19:00 -
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Yea this seems fine. I'm ok with getting two shot a lot
Ohh wait, Im Gallete armor logi and get 2-3 shot by every 'PC ready' weapon, lol
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Cosgar
ParagonX
2834
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Posted - 2013.07.19 01:21:00 -
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Xero The Mishima wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:*shrugs* if you ignore the fluxes tenancy to kill people this just seems like the use of two weapons that compliment eachother (to me anyway) doesn't seem like a problem to me just good tactics. I don't disagree with that Sinboto not at all. It's called utilizing the gun to it's absolute strength making it the perfect gun. What happens though when EVERYBODY is running around doing this method? This is what I am trying to do eliminate this from having to happen. You're arguing that two severely low ammunition weapons that like Sinboto just said, compliment eachother can be OP. A highly situational weapon, and a (usually) non-lethal grenade. That's called synergy. |
Xero The Mishima
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
208
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Posted - 2013.07.19 01:23:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Xero The Mishima wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:*shrugs* if you ignore the fluxes tenancy to kill people this just seems like the use of two weapons that compliment eachother (to me anyway) doesn't seem like a problem to me just good tactics. I don't disagree with that Sinboto not at all. It's called utilizing the gun to it's absolute strength making it the perfect gun. What happens though when EVERYBODY is running around doing this method? This is what I am trying to do eliminate this from having to happen. You're arguing that two severely low ammunition weapons that like Sinboto just said, compliment eachother can be OP. A highly situational weapon, and a (usually) non-lethal grenade. That's called synergy.
So the Core Flaylock Pistol has 100 total ammo? |
Cosgar
ParagonX
2834
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Posted - 2013.07.19 01:25:00 -
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Xero The Mishima wrote:Cosgar wrote:Xero The Mishima wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:*shrugs* if you ignore the fluxes tenancy to kill people this just seems like the use of two weapons that compliment eachother (to me anyway) doesn't seem like a problem to me just good tactics. I don't disagree with that Sinboto not at all. It's called utilizing the gun to it's absolute strength making it the perfect gun. What happens though when EVERYBODY is running around doing this method? This is what I am trying to do eliminate this from having to happen. You're arguing that two severely low ammunition weapons that like Sinboto just said, compliment eachother can be OP. A highly situational weapon, and a (usually) non-lethal grenade. That's called synergy. So the Core Flaylock Pistol has 100 total ammo? I thought we were talking about the MD and Flux grenades? |
Xero The Mishima
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
208
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Posted - 2013.07.19 01:28:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Xero The Mishima wrote:Cosgar wrote:Xero The Mishima wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:*shrugs* if you ignore the fluxes tenancy to kill people this just seems like the use of two weapons that compliment eachother (to me anyway) doesn't seem like a problem to me just good tactics. I don't disagree with that Sinboto not at all. It's called utilizing the gun to it's absolute strength making it the perfect gun. What happens though when EVERYBODY is running around doing this method? This is what I am trying to do eliminate this from having to happen. You're arguing that two severely low ammunition weapons that like Sinboto just said, compliment eachother can be OP. A highly situational weapon, and a (usually) non-lethal grenade. That's called synergy. So the Core Flaylock Pistol has 100 total ammo? I thought we were talking about the MD and Flux grenades?
POINT is Core has low ammo and is considered OP so your argument about MD having low ammo is irrelevant and flawed logic. |
ImpureMort
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
135
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Posted - 2013.07.19 01:37:00 -
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ya i run assault md flux smg on my logi now nasty combo
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Cosgar
ParagonX
2834
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Posted - 2013.07.19 01:38:00 -
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Xero The Mishima wrote:POINT is Core has low ammo and is considered OP so your argument about MD having low ammo is irrelevant and flawed logic. Shotgun to some people is considered a noob weapon but also doesn't have boatloads of ammo still effective weapon.. There is also Nanohives that you can throw down stand on top of them and eliminate the low ammo... Flaylocks have anything but low ammo. I have enough for 3 full clips on a MD and 4 on the lower damaging assault variant. The flaylock has enough for 8 clips. On top of that, explosive ammunition eat up more nanite clusters than other ammunition. |
Scottie MaCallan
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
32
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Posted - 2013.07.19 02:06:00 -
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Xero The Mishima wrote:I have seen 2 people really good at this combo and honestly it's nearly unbeatable if the player is smart.
... so what you're saying is that a skilled player who takes the time to cook a grenade and also knows where & when to throw it to get a hit, can take down your shields with a flux, then use an anti-armor weapon to finish you of?
it's horrifying to me that some people think strategically, we must nerf everything ASAP
P.S. next time bug out when you see the grenade coming & flank them, or rush them and CQC before they have time to cook the grenade/ before they get the MD out on you, if you're close enough their job will be much harder. sitting in AR range trying to frag them with your AR/SCR when they pop out is why they can kill you so easily - you need sustained fire, they need to use cover and pop out. Also try getting them to engage over open fields, you'll have better chances there
Of course if you're running assault/logi with a mid range weapon like SCR, AR, scrambler pistol, etc, then you're still going to have a hard time, MD/flux is a counter for these types of fits, so it should be harder for the average AR/medium frame player to kill them |
TunRa
The Vanguardians
6
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Posted - 2013.07.19 02:32:00 -
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What? A very good combo and you want it nerfed? What next, the commando suit is OP because you can have a SR and a MD? What is the point of Dust when anytime you discover a good combo people just cry for it to be nerfed... |
J Lav
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
133
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Posted - 2013.07.19 02:57:00 -
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While I don't disagree that this is a powerful combo. It is working as intended. It has been working this way since the Mass Driver has been in the game. And since it is so hard to be good at, somehow everyone and their dog is not running that combo. So crisis averted...
BTW it is not unbeatable everywhere. Get too close and a smg or flaylock will drop you, too open and every AR or Scrambler will drop you. When a weapon performs well in its prime environment I would start by applauding CCP for getting it right, not warning that it will be adopted by everyone - since it obviously has not been. |
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Shae Daix
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2013.07.19 03:33:00 -
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This is a cycle I've seen in a lot of games. The new car, plane, sword, tank, weapon, armor, come out and people start calling for it's removal, or for it to be nerfed immediately. But in a week everyone will have figured it out and the scourge will be over.
Here something that worked Head for cover when you see the grenades. When the booming stops and they start moving up, rush them.
This isn't a game breaking uber combination. I've been doing something similar with fluxes and HMG. Of course my grenade throwing kinda sux. But I'll work on it. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
2848
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Posted - 2013.07.19 05:51:00 -
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Shae Daix wrote:This is a cycle I've seen in a lot of games. The new car, plane, sword, tank, weapon, armor, come out and people start calling for it's removal, or for it to be nerfed immediately. But in a week everyone will have figured it out and the scourge will be over.
Here something that worked Head for cover when you see the grenades. When the booming stops and they start moving up, rush them.
This isn't a game breaking uber combination. I've been doing something similar with fluxes and HMG. Of course my grenade throwing kinda sux. But I'll work on it. You're seriously the 3rd heavy I've every heard of that uses flux grenades. They're so damn underrated. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Top Men.
1057
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Posted - 2013.07.19 06:31:00 -
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I'll be using flux/HMG once the freaking jeeps become less common |
XxGhazbaranxX
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
130
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Posted - 2013.07.19 06:34:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Shae Daix wrote:This is a cycle I've seen in a lot of games. The new car, plane, sword, tank, weapon, armor, come out and people start calling for it's removal, or for it to be nerfed immediately. But in a week everyone will have figured it out and the scourge will be over.
Here something that worked Head for cover when you see the grenades. When the booming stops and they start moving up, rush them.
This isn't a game breaking uber combination. I've been doing something similar with fluxes and HMG. Of course my grenade throwing kinda sux. But I'll work on it. You're seriously the 3rd heavy I've every heard of that uses flux grenades. They're so damn underrated.
thats because the HMG does not do a lot of damage applied damge (highly circumstantial). it is out performed by AR's and Scramblers. Also the hit is weird at the moment, sometimes having to have the target dead center on the almost invisible dot to deal any damage at all. |
Xero The Mishima
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
210
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Posted - 2013.07.19 06:44:00 -
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Ok I am sorry for making this post it's not OP. Can tell ya this will be the next method I am going into. Don't get mad in the future is all I'm saying :) |
Aquinarius Zoltanus
0uter.Heaven EoN.
181
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Posted - 2013.07.19 07:49:00 -
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Xero The Mishima wrote:Ok I am sorry for making this post it's not OP. Can tell ya this will be the next method I am going into. Don't get mad in the future is all I'm saying :)
Cool, be sure to let us know how uber you become once you spec into it. |
Stile451
Red Star. EoN.
148
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Posted - 2013.07.19 08:20:00 -
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I don't see how this is only an issue with mass drivers.
Most people are shield tanked, thus flux grenades work wonders. Any weapon can take down an enemy with their shields down in under a second(as long as it hits).
I use flux grenades on my heavy alt. As long as the enemy is in my effective range they generally die. |
shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY
330
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Posted - 2013.07.19 08:45:00 -
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MD is almost unusable for an armor tanker, yesterday i ambushed a heavy, i was behind him, i shoot him in the back but i died instead of him for the AoE a shield tanker can use the MD in CQC with less risk than an armor tanker. MD should fire hybrid grenades, half damage should be flux and the other half explosive. |
Bettie Boop 2100190003
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
56
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Posted - 2013.07.19 10:59:00 -
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Killing scouts with a shotgun is easy with flux grenades and a MD.
1 cook the grenade and run at the scout (generally confusing them) 2 as the grenade explodes(in your hands), shoot your feet with the MD killing the scout
Oh wait, that only works on the Gallente logi with a boat load of complex armor plates... lucky me |
Nosid Katona
HavoK Core RISE of LEGION
9
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Posted - 2013.07.19 21:22:00 -
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I know what your saying; as a Gallente assault I know the pain armor tankers are in right now. However this combo is a legit combo that isn't a beat all kill all; it does have its counters. I can also see an easy fix that will render this strategy not obsolete but much more spam proof; as well as fixing grenade spam which anyone who has played PC would know the true pain of. Make it so nano hives don't give grenades back, this has been suggested almost a thousand times and I have found no good counter point to such a change.
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