DUST Search - Enough with the MD QQ.

Delta 749 wrote:

Cosgar wrote:

Delta 749 wrote:

Yeah, more than a 5 meter radius at proficiency 5 and still a 4 meter radius if you are just getting into them with 100+ splash damage, firing a grenade a second, totally weak

Seriously though its a god damned grenade launcher, its going to be powerful but at current its another noob tube like the flaylock but even more forgiving for those that cant aim for **** since they spam the ground around the target waiting to get lucky

If you can't dodge a slow moving projectile or don't have the sense to run the hell away, then MD deaths are your fault. But keep bunny hopping, it only makes you easier to hit.

Implying I bunny hop, its a habit I never got into since Ive been playing other games that punish you for that for a long time now
Its also not that slow moving and like I said the large radius makes it incredibly forgiving and aiming for the ground rather than the person can also mitigate the slower movement speed since shooting short lets that wide radius instantly catch them

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Justin Tymes Raymond James Corp 217	Posted - 2013.07.18 04:15:00 - [1] - Quote -One of the slowest reload times -One of the lowest DPS ratings -One of the smallest clip sizes -Nerfed against shields, which are superior to armor in every way -Risk dying to splash in CQC Yet some people call them the ultimate slayer weapon right next to flaylocks, and are determined to nerf them down to uselessness again. They're not invincible, it's just zoning
Sloth9230 Deepspace Digital 2469	Posted - 2013.07.18 04:16:00 - [2] - Quote I got killed by one yesterday, I now hate them again
Void Echo Internal Error. 735	Posted - 2013.07.18 04:17:00 - [3] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: I got killed by one yesterday, I now hate them again typical infantry nerf crier
Altina McAlterson Not Guilty EoN. 648	Posted - 2013.07.18 04:21:00 - [4] - Quote People QQ because unlike AR's when you get caught by a MD user it's usually impossible to escape so they get sad and whine about it instead of focusing on not getting themselves into compromised positions. Scrubs QQ. Good players treat dying as a failure on their part and come back and kill the MD user by not making the same mistake over and over again. Of course CCP usually listens to the scrubs since they make up the vast majority of the playerbase.
Spycrab Potato Hold-Your-Fire 129	Posted - 2013.07.18 04:26:00 - [5] - Quote TBH, I have given up on this game.
n00b tube Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.07.18 04:36:00 - [6] - Quote MOAR N00b Tubes!??!!?!?!??!1!!!1!!1ONEONE!!1!!UNO!!! Yes pl0x!!!
Cosgar ParagonX 2737	Posted - 2013.07.18 04:39:00 - [7] - Quote I for one welcome the tears. It's a great reminder that my weapon isn't garbage anymore. If they ain't cryin' they ain't dyin'.
Eriknaught Vader's Taco Shack 89	Posted - 2013.07.18 04:41:00 - [8] - Quote I personally love the smoking grenades wizzing by me all over the place. Adds a nice level of intensity. That is all. Eriknaught out. END TRANSMISSION.
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood 372	Posted - 2013.07.18 04:41:00 - [9] - Quote Flaylocks are far worse.
XANDER KAG Red Star. EoN. 161	Posted - 2013.07.18 04:46:00 - [10] - Quote I haven't found many at all, only flaylocks...

Mike Poole Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 323	Posted - 2013.07.18 04:51:00 - [11] - Quote You forgot to mention that with the increased ranges on all weapons any advantage to lobbing MD shots from down range is gone since any shots can reach you now. The MD really has no advantages of it's own any more unless they decide to give it back it's splash radius and smoke effects at the least. The MD needs to be a crowd oriented confusion weapon, with pitiful damage and even more pitiful visual effects it doesn't accomplish any of that. Hell if they gave it back the smoke effect so you could use it more for support and breaking apart groups of enemies they could nerf the damage even more for all I care.
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 758	Posted - 2013.07.18 04:52:00 - [12] - Quote I just started using mass drivers recently, and I really don't think they're overpowered. They're harder to use effectively than an assault rifle, as compared to the flaylock which is the easiest weapon to get kills with. The firing arc means there are many situations where it becomes very difficult to kill someone unless you manage to get a direct hit, and you can waste most of a clip just trying to get through someone's shields. Until I got used to how it worked I was complaining that it was actually underpowered and regretted spending the SP on it. I think the main reason that people feel the thing is too strong is that they're too used to judging the point at which they need to retreat based on the damage profile of assault rifles. Against an AR you can wait until your shields are gone, and then think about GTFOing. With a mass driver you have to do that while you still have shields left, because they do little damage to those and a ton to armor. Just like in eve. If I'm flying a shield boat and the guy trying to kill me is using barrage ammo (which does mostly explosive damage) then he'll take a while getting through my shields. But once my shields are gone, he'll go through my armor and hull in the blink of an eye. If he was using EMP I'd have a little more time to get away.
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 239	Posted - 2013.07.18 04:58:00 - [13] - Quote MDs eat my Heavy. I can't run(lol) away from them without taking a reasonable amount of damage, and attempting to fight MD users usually results in them being out of my optimal range: all they feel is a slight trickle of my HMG.
Son Down SamsClub 61	Posted - 2013.07.18 05:02:00 - [14] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: -One of the slowest reload times -One of the lowest DPS ratings -One of the smallest clip sizes -Nerfed against shields, which are superior to armor in every way -Risk dying to splash in CQC Yet some people call them the ultimate slayer weapon right next to flaylocks, and are determined to nerf them down to uselessness again. They're not invincible, it's just zoning Awwww...someone trying a last ditch attempt at staving off the inevitable nerf coming down the pipe....thats sweet.
Altina McAlterson Not Guilty EoN. 651	Posted - 2013.07.18 05:04:00 - [15] - Quote ? Son Down wrote: Justin Tymes wrote: -One of the slowest reload times -One of the lowest DPS ratings -One of the smallest clip sizes -Nerfed against shields, which are superior to armor in every way -Risk dying to splash in CQC Yet some people call them the ultimate slayer weapon right next to flaylocks, and are determined to nerf them down to uselessness again. They're not invincible, it's just zoning Awwww...someone trying a last ditch attempt at staving off the inevitable nerf coming down the pipe....thats sweet. "Inevitable nerf"? Who's your dealer because honestly the crack I've been smoking lately just doesn't do it for me anymore and you've obviously got the hookup on the good ****.
Cosgar ParagonX 2737	Posted - 2013.07.18 05:08:00 - [16] - Quote Son Down wrote: Justin Tymes wrote: -One of the slowest reload times -One of the lowest DPS ratings -One of the smallest clip sizes -Nerfed against shields, which are superior to armor in every way -Risk dying to splash in CQC Yet some people call them the ultimate slayer weapon right next to flaylocks, and are determined to nerf them down to uselessness again. They're not invincible, it's just zoning Awwww...someone trying a last ditch attempt at staving off the inevitable nerf coming down the pipe....thats sweet. It already took a damage and radius nerf compared to Chromosome.
Lightning Bolt2 DUST University Ivy League 62	Posted - 2013.07.18 05:19:00 - [17] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: -One of the slowest reload times -One of the lowest DPS ratings -One of the smallest clip sizes -Nerfed against shields, which are superior to armor in every way -Risk dying to splash in CQC Yet some people call them the ultimate slayer weapon right next to flaylocks, and are determined to nerf them down to uselessness again. They're not invincible, it's just zoning +1 I play as a Nova Knife scout and I have NO PROBLEM WITH THE MASS DRIVERS!!! simple tip to not get killed - move and not where the person's shooting!!!
Shion Typhon Intara Direct Action Caldari State 183	Posted - 2013.07.18 05:49:00 - [18] - Quote I never use mass drivers but I can't say I've ever been killed by one where 1) it was probably my fault and 2) and AR or Scramble would have killed me just the same. People are probably projecting a lot of the steaming BS from flaylocks onto the Mass Driver. They just see 'splosions. IMO the MD is fine.
Quill Killian Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 214	Posted - 2013.07.18 06:55:00 - [19] - Quote Justin Tymes wrote: -One of the slowest reload times -One of the lowest DPS ratings -One of the smallest clip sizes -Nerfed against shields, which are superior to armor in every way -Risk dying to splash in CQC Yet some people call them the ultimate slayer weapon right next to flaylocks, and are determined to nerf them down to uselessness again. They're not invincible, it's just zoning Tell me about it. If you ever see on the kill feed "Quill Killian committed suicide" you can bet it's because of CQC gone bad, very bad.
Quill Killian Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 214	Posted - 2013.07.18 07:01:00 - [20] - Quote LT SHANKS wrote: MDs eat my Heavy. I can't run(lol) away from them without taking a reasonable amount of damage, and attempting to fight MD users usually results in them being out of my optimal range: all they feel is a slight trickle of my HMG. OK, I admit it: I like taking down wounded heavies who are wandering the map in a daze, having just survived a firefight with someone else. There they are, big 'ol elephants in the middle of nowhere or, even better, hiding in a corner wondering where their medic/repairer logistics supporter is (probably dead ... I should know, I'm logistics and I've noticed folks taking out the support troops first, then demolishing the heavy). Toss in a flux to knock out whatever shields, if any remain, then drop 'em with the Freedom MD. Celebrating the victory, I round a corner GÇö and am instantly wiped out by a pair of heavies. Yep, I should've looked left and right before making that fateful turn.

Cosgar ParagonX 2740	Posted - 2013.07.18 07:03:00 - [21] - Quote Quill Killian wrote: LT SHANKS wrote: MDs eat my Heavy. I can't run(lol) away from them without taking a reasonable amount of damage, and attempting to fight MD users usually results in them being out of my optimal range: all they feel is a slight trickle of my HMG. OK, I admit it: I like taking down wounded heavies who are wandering the map in a daze, having just survived a firefight with someone else. There they are, big 'ol elephants in the middle of nowhere or, even better, hiding in a corner wondering where their medic/repairer logistics supporter is (probably dead ... I should know, I'm logistics and I've noticed folks taking out the support troops first, then demolishing the heavy). Toss in a flux to knock out whatever shields, if any remain, then drop 'em with the Freedom MD. Celebrating the victory, I round a corner GÇö and am instantly wiped out by a pair of heavies. Yep, I should've looked left and right before making that fateful turn. Working as intended
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 1323	Posted - 2013.07.18 07:07:00 - [22] - Quote Yeah, more than a 5 meter radius at proficiency 5 and still a 4 meter radius if you are just getting into them with 100+ splash damage, firing a grenade a second, totally weak Seriously though its a god damned grenade launcher, its going to be powerful but at current its another noob tube like the flaylock but even more forgiving for those that cant aim for **** since they spam the ground around the target waiting to get lucky
Cosgar ParagonX 2740	Posted - 2013.07.18 07:11:00 - [23] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Yeah, more than a 5 meter radius at proficiency 5 and still a 4 meter radius if you are just getting into them with 100+ splash damage, firing a grenade a second, totally weak Seriously though its a god damned grenade launcher, its going to be powerful but at current its another noob tube like the flaylock but even more forgiving for those that cant aim for **** since they spam the ground around the target waiting to get lucky If you can't dodge a slow moving projectile or don't have the sense to run the hell away, then MD deaths are your fault. But keep bunny hopping, it only makes you easier to hit.
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood 881	Posted - 2013.07.18 07:14:00 - [24] - Quote Its hard to say anything about the MD because its main problem is it being used with Fleylocks lol With hit ditection "fixed" MD's became viable again... im just not sure they needed the splash increase as well... too much happened at once and untill the fleylocks get flattened by the nerf hammer its going to be hard to see the picture clearly...
Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 149	Posted - 2013.07.18 07:15:00 - [25] - Quote LT SHANKS wrote: MDs eat my Heavy. I can't run(lol) away from them without taking a reasonable amount of damage, and attempting to fight MD users usually results in them being out of my optimal range: all they feel is a slight trickle of my HMG. That's a failure in the Heavy suit/weapons design, not the Mass Driver. Use your observations when discussing buff requests for heavy suits and/or HMGs. CCP did the right thing focusing on buffing fail weapons after the nerf-pocalypse that happened on Eve's 10th anniversary.
Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 149	Posted - 2013.07.18 07:19:00 - [26] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: I got killed by one yesterday, I now hate them again typical infantry nerf crier I think Sloth was aiming for witty and sarcastic.
Cosgar ParagonX 2740	Posted - 2013.07.18 07:21:00 - [27] - Quote ChromeBreaker wrote: Its hard to say anything about the MD because its main problem is it being used with Fleylocks lol With hit ditection "fixed" MD's became viable again... im just not sure they needed the splash increase as well... too much happened at once and untill the fleylocks get flattened by the nerf hammer its going to be hard to see the picture clearly... This is another overlooked issue. We have people out there playing "Demoman" with the MD, Core Flaylocks, and contact grenades all at the same time and everyone thinks the MD is part of the problem because all they see are explosions with better hit detection. As far as the splash increase on the MD, it was severely needed. What's the point of using an area denial weapon if you can't deny an area?
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 1324	Posted - 2013.07.18 07:22:00 - [28] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Yeah, more than a 5 meter radius at proficiency 5 and still a 4 meter radius if you are just getting into them with 100+ splash damage, firing a grenade a second, totally weak Seriously though its a god damned grenade launcher, its going to be powerful but at current its another noob tube like the flaylock but even more forgiving for those that cant aim for **** since they spam the ground around the target waiting to get lucky If you can't dodge a slow moving projectile or don't have the sense to run the hell away, then MD deaths are your fault. But keep bunny hopping, it only makes you easier to hit. Implying I bunny hop, its a habit I never got into since Ive been playing other games that punish you for that for a long time now Its also not that slow moving and like I said the large radius makes it incredibly forgiving and aiming for the ground rather than the person can also mitigate the slower movement speed since shooting short lets that wide radius instantly catch them
Cosgar ParagonX 2740	Posted - 2013.07.18 07:34:00 - [29] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Cosgar wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Yeah, more than a 5 meter radius at proficiency 5 and still a 4 meter radius if you are just getting into them with 100+ splash damage, firing a grenade a second, totally weak Seriously though its a god damned grenade launcher, its going to be powerful but at current its another noob tube like the flaylock but even more forgiving for those that cant aim for **** since they spam the ground around the target waiting to get lucky If you can't dodge a slow moving projectile or don't have the sense to run the hell away, then MD deaths are your fault. But keep bunny hopping, it only makes you easier to hit. Implying I bunny hop, its a habit I never got into since Ive been playing other games that punish you for that for a long time now Its also not that slow moving and like I said the large radius makes it incredibly forgiving and aiming for the ground rather than the person can also mitigate the slower movement speed since shooting short lets that wide radius instantly catch them The bunny hopping thing wasn't especially directed at you, just anyone that does it. Seriously, it makes my job that much easier. But you have to face the facts that the MD is an area denial, anti-rush weapon. Therefore, it's working as intended because it makes you think twice about advancing and scatters organized squads like roaches. They already tried nerfing the hell out of the MD's radius and look at how well that turned out. It's got the lowest DPS, ammo capacity, and one of the slowest reload times out of all the light weapons. On top of that, you need trajectory prediction and can't be under your target while firing. What other weaknesses do you want the damn thing to have?
Son Down SamsClub 61	Posted - 2013.07.18 07:34:00 - [30] - Quote If you aren't good at FPS....run a Mass Driver. Should make you feel good about yourself.



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