You launch a game without giving heavies any counters against explosive

You must be ********. Your blogs say we can make perfect soldiers - that would imply verastility. WRONG - HEAVIES COST TOO MUCH FOR YOU YOU TO EVEN GIVE US PLACE HOLDERS ACCORDING TO CPM.

Respond to me and explain to me why you think it's okay to launch an unfinished game - I'd love to know.

Don't walk on grenades. Use cover. Look for REs. Shoot the guy with the Flaylock.

You launch a game without giving heavies any counters against explosive

You must be ********. Your blogs say we can make perfect soldiers - that would imply verastility. WRONG - HEAVIES COST TOO MUCH FOR YOU YOU TO EVEN GIVE US PLACE HOLDERS ACCORDING TO CPM.

Respond to me and explain to me why you think it's okay to launch an unfinished game - I'd love to know.

You launch a game without giving heavies any counters against explosive

You must be ********. Your blogs say we can make perfect soldiers - that would imply verastility. WRONG - HEAVIES COST TOO MUCH FOR YOU YOU TO EVEN GIVE US PLACE HOLDERS ACCORDING TO CPM.

Respond to me and explain to me why you think it's okay to launch an unfinished game - I'd love to know.

Why are you not using terrain, too? Why isn't your squad backing you up?

Its posts like this that remind me why i dont feel bad killing noobs...

Respond to me and explain to me why you think it's okay to launch an unfinished game - I'd love to know.

Get pub stomped against Imperfects more and call others newbs please.

Is this a joke? You're asking a straight fire weapon to use terrain vs AoE? You blow gtfo

I stomp and get stomped, but never cry like you .

im calling you out as a noob, and call forward your OP as evidance

You launch a game without giving heavies any counters against explosive

You must be ********. Your blogs say we can make perfect soldiers - that would imply verastility. WRONG - HEAVIES COST TOO MUCH FOR YOU TO EVEN GIVE US PLACE HOLDERS ACCORDING TO CPM.

Respond to me and explain to me why you think it's okay to launch an unfinished game - I'd love to know.

If they can't find exactly where you are using the physical structures around you, you have a higher chance at avoiding death.

Why isn't your squad mopping them up before they get to you?

Don't run solo.

Don't spray and pray.

If you find yourself in a match getting owned by explosive, change suits. Don't over specialize. Adapt to the changing fight. Use other tactics.

Shining Flame.

Home of Lu Mengs and Fat Princess. Clearly an intellectual group with high entry requirements.

You make way too many assumptions. Heavies are a defense class that a MD, grandes, or flaylock pistol can remove completely without any skill required. Who would you rather defend your objective - a heavy with that many weaknesses - or a scout with a shotgun and RE whose only weakness depends on how dumb they are.

If it was you playing the Scout, you'd probably be here crying about that class as well.

You make way too many assumptions. Heavies are a defense class that a MD, grandes, or flaylock pistol can remove completely without any skill required. Who would you rather defend your objective - a heavy with that many weaknesses - or a scout with a shotgun and RE whose only weakness depends on how dumb they are.

Care to break and it down and explain why?

I think the Imperfects stomped on your head one too many hard.

I would ask the scout to drop the RE's while the heavy falls back away from the damage radius and is placed in a position where he is not going to be forced to fight from every side. A heavy shouldn't be alone at a point, regardless, simply because of his lack of speed.

Heavies are not just a defense class. Yes, they are like a mobile turret but they need some form of backup. A heavy is more useful in tight quarters where he doesn't have to worry too much about being flanked.

The game DEVELOPS... Logis were added, sentinels were added, assault dropships were added, racial assaults were added.... New tanks, heavies, pilot suits, dropships, bombers all are coming. There is no "finished" game.

You launch a game without giving heavies any counters against explosive

You must be ********. Your blogs say we can make perfect soldiers - that would imply verastility. WRONG - HEAVIES COST TOO MUCH FOR YOU TO EVEN GIVE US PLACE HOLDERS ACCORDING TO CPM.

Respond to me and explain to me why you think it's okay to launch an unfinished game - I'd love to know.

Ok ok lets spell it out nice... and... slow...

Explosives are the natural counter for the current armour heavies. Thats what they are there for. Thats what they do. Explosives are good against armour and slow moving targets...

The other heavies are coming... place holders wont work or be balanced without a the new heavy weapons and a full overlook of heavies in general. They also need to be balanced against a vehicle balance as well. This will take time and might as well be done when we have the actual models are ready.

The game DEVELOPS... Logis were added, sentinels were added, assault dropships were added, racial assaults were added.... New tanks, heavies, pilot suits, dropships, bombers all are coming. There is no "finished" game.

THAT is why your a noob, and a poor poor troll whos crying over stuff he hasnt been bothered to look into.

I agree explosive are a natural counter - but for a game who bragged about customization - to offer no counter to it at all is weak.

Because explosives are the counter to armor. I'm not sure what you expect; you're dying to explosives, so you should be considering options as how to not die. Analyze your fights. What went wrong? It's not just that 'omg, explosives are op.'. They have a valid role to play. I'm assuming you're dying to explosives because nobody is helping you take out the guys shooting you. You mentioned that they duck behind terrain before you can shoot them; you're slow, it's going to happen, so what should you do about it? Should their weapons be taken away because you're being outflanked and dying?

Now I know your ********. You're actually suggesting place holder heavy suits would imbalance AV - that's a weapon problem - not suit.

The weapon has nothing to do with our suit - we can equip MD and SP ourselves - it's the survivability that we sacrafice speed for health is the problem. SP in general is a side arm anyone can spec into for less then a million SP. That means every player in this game can counter heavies without problem.

I agree explosive are a natural counter - but for a game who bragged about customization - to offer no counter to it at all is weak. It makes no sense. I should be able to sacrafice fire-power for defense - I can't. I should be able to counter explosives - I can't. why can every other class escape these weapons yet not offer heavies a counter?

Your the weak troll here. Go back to getting beat by Imperfects and leave the thinking to people with brains - thanks.

oh i hoped you wouldnt back down...

The weapon has eveything to do with the suit!! EVERYTHING... heavy weapons for heavy suits, heavy suits for heavy weapons, you have to balance both together. It would be like balancing the assault suits without taking into account the AR.
Caldari heavy will likely have quite a few high slot... stack them with dmg mods and suddenly FG's are OP!
add in racial bonuses etc and you really get a mess

Heavies are weak against explosies, its hard to run away from them or dodge... thats how it should be. The only problem atm is that MD and god locks are too strong against EVERYTHING so heavies are having a hard time as everyones carrying them.

I can agree with this - and admit I didn't take high slots into consideration. Sorry. I was too agressive to you and apologize.

No worries, just doing rage on the forums... it doesnt help

Respond to me and explain to me why you think it's okay to launch an unfinished game - I'd love to know.

Worked for Ubisoft with every Assassin's Creed game so far.
Worked for Armored Core V.
Worked for XCOM.
Worked for Skyrim.

Worked for Brink ok, maybe not
Worked for Syndicate ok, maybe not
Worked for Ace Combat: Assault Horizon ok, maybe not

Notice how most of the successful examples are games which received patches soon after release, and have seen continuing support for a decent amount of time post-release. Not all of them (Looking at Assassin's Creed) have seen consistent improvement or lasting support, but most of the time, it's a good point in their favour. The ones that failed suffered because of a lack of support in at least one timeframe. Brink failed at short-term support, with their initial release needing (and not receiving) urgent attention. The game shipped broken, and the devs waited FAR too long to fix it. Syndicate just never got patches for any but the first identified problem on the XBox 360 version. Assault Horizon's oficial website had been closed down before they got around to patching the game, and most of the game-breaking issues have been left untouched, and it's still in need of a LOT of further improvements.

Been here for a year - talking to them doesn't help either.

Counter MD's and Corelock's with range. Done.

It sounds to me like the OP is still figuring out what to do as a heavy. Working in a squad that understands and uses their heavy will make other squads cry that the heavy is OP. I'll give you a hint, the fact that someone has to use cover, has something to do with you being a heavy. So they can pop out and throw a bomb? That's because no one has shot them in the back yet, or your squad members are busy trying to single-handedly take on everything in the game. Or better yet, why didn't you push on them, forcing them out of cover?

Counter MD's and Corelock's with range. Done.

It sounds to me like the OP is still figuring out what to do as a heavy. Working in a squad that understands and uses their heavy will make other squads cry that the heavy is OP. I'll give you a hint, the fact that someone has to use cover, has something to do with you being a heavy. So they can pop out and throw a bomb? That's because no one has shot them in the back yet, or your squad members are busy trying to single-handedly take on everything in the game. Or better yet, why didn't you push on them, forcing them out of cover?

CCP! You didn't give Caldari ANY counters to Flux Grenades?!?!?!

They take away shields, but how are Caldari supposed to deal with that?!

You must suck to believe that to be the answer. You can't counter explosive weapons simply by shooting, they duck and fire behind terrain. Do you even PC bro?

CCP! You didn't give Caldari ANY counters to Flux Grenades?!?!?!

They take away shields, but how are Caldari supposed to deal with that?!

Oooh! I know how to counter that! Get a teammate to flank instead of trying to solo as a heavy!

Oh, so fluxes kill you? Shields going away means death? You can't just - you know - survive on armor?

Oh the pains you must feel. Nerf the flux naow!

Reading right past the sarcasm.