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Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1265
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Posted - 2013.07.15 08:27:00 -
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If matchmaking is going to be base on what gear you can equip, if you have access to Proto suits, even if you never use them, you will put in Pubstoming servers. If you want to have FUN playing Dust 514, AVOID PROTOTYPE SUITS.
This is directed to the newest players that haven Spec into proto yet. |
Queen of Uranus
Dust 514 Forum Trolls
135
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Posted - 2013.07.15 08:39:00 -
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I'm sure this will make the players who cannot afford to run proto every game happy. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1265
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Posted - 2013.07.15 08:43:00 -
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Queen of Uranus wrote:I'm sure this will make the players who cannot afford to run proto every game happy.
I know right ? Only big corps can afford running Proto in every match.. so, solo players and small corps are **** with this matchmaking system. I actually please that i decided to avoid Proto in my last Respec.... |
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ChribbaX
Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions
639
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Posted - 2013.07.15 08:44:00 -
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I'm having fun in proto and milita suits so...?
It would be far better for CCP to introduce more matches with restrictions on gear. Eg you're not allowed to use anything better than milita or std.
Would give us the option to fight either in only one type or all range.
/c |
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Martin0 Brancaleone
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
414
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Posted - 2013.07.15 08:45:00 -
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1- We haven't the matchmaker yet and you are already crying? LOL 2- Ya know that rewards depends on how expensive destroyed stuff in a match is? If everyone is running proto in a match you will get a godly amount of isk at the end. |
Makyre Vahliha
GamersForChrist Orion Empire
264
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Posted - 2013.07.15 08:46:00 -
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Even after 6 months of playing, I switched over to Proto Logi via respecing. Big. Mistake. As much as I love the Logi, it's the most expensive suit, so I'm working on getting another dropsuit branch to even it out. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
687
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Posted - 2013.07.15 08:47:00 -
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Queen of Uranus wrote:I'm sure this will make the players who cannot afford to run proto every game happy.
To be entirely honest Proto suit should be that much better than regular suits.... but hell they should cost a **** ton more than the do right now. |
shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY
311
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Posted - 2013.07.15 08:48:00 -
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How can you know if a player is proto, for his dropsuit, for his weapon or for his modules? There should be no restriction to the entrance, but then there should be a restriction on total meta level of your fit, if you want to use a proto suit in a STD/MLT battle, you are forced to use all militia modules and weapons with meta level zero or if you want to use a duvolle on a MLT dropsuit you will be forced to use MLT modules. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1265
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Posted - 2013.07.15 08:50:00 -
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Martin0 Brancaleone wrote:1- We haven't the matchmaker yet and you are already crying? LOL 2- Ya know that rewards depends on how expensive destroyed stuff in a match is? If everyone is running proto in a match you will get a godly amount of isk at the end.
I know the way CCP does things ...they going to make sure that the Predators have plenty of Prey.
Predators - Big corps
Prey - Solo players & Small corps.
You'll see... is going to be lots of tears. |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
680
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Posted - 2013.07.15 08:59:00 -
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main - 7.4 million SP only 2.3 spent alt - 4.2 million SP only 1.3 million spent
Yeah if they do it by gear i am pretty sure I am OK.
I hope the protobears make alts and come to my world. Will be fun stomping on them when they have been relying on being carried for so long while i have not. |
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Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
551
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Posted - 2013.07.15 09:07:00 -
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You say proto gear, so if I have access to prototype scrambler rifles will I be included in on this? Only skilled it to level 5 for the Proficiency prerequisite; I did try the proto versions out a bit but too much extra CPU/PG and ISK for what is only slightly better. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
689
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Posted - 2013.07.15 09:13:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:You say proto gear, so if I have access to prototype scrambler rifles will I be included in on this? Only skilled it to level 5 for the Proficiency prerequisite; I did try the proto versions out a bit but too much extra CPU/PG and ISK for what is only slightly better. Again a points series of meta levels would work well.
If you total meta level of equipment was under X value you would be eligible for this type of match. If you have less then the drop suits should be balanced fairly, however if you go over X value and enter the Y value matching making there is not point in holding back gear and you then use gear meta level up to Z level. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon Plus
1981
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Posted - 2013.07.15 09:14:00 -
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We don't even know how the matchmaking will work yet, and people are complaining. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1269
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Posted - 2013.07.15 09:15:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:You say proto gear, so if I have access to prototype scrambler rifles will I be included in on this? Only skilled it to level 5 for the Proficiency prerequisite; I did try the proto versions out a bit but too much extra CPU/PG and ISK for what is only slightly better.
Prototype Suits are the biggest problem..the gap between Adv and Proto suits is much bigger than with the weapons. |
LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
221
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Posted - 2013.07.15 09:16:00 -
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Wait, I specced into proto but I only have 30mil ISK left... |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1269
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Posted - 2013.07.15 09:19:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:Wait, I specced into proto but I only have 30mil ISK left...
I din't spec into Proto and i also have 30 mil ... what's you point ? |
LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
222
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Posted - 2013.07.15 09:27:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:LT SHANKS wrote:Wait, I specced into proto but I only have 30mil ISK left... I din't spec into Proto and i also have 30 mil ... what's you point ? I cannot afford to run proto in all matches. If this matchmaking thing goes through, I'm screwed. As it is, I went down 40mil ISK running experimental fittings in the last month. |
Assert Dominance
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
65
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Posted - 2013.07.15 09:28:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:Queen of Uranus wrote:I'm sure this will make the players who cannot afford to run proto every game happy. I know right ? Only big corps can afford running Proto in every match.. so, solo players and small corps are **** with this matchmaking system. I actually please that i decided to avoid Proto in my last Respec.... Im really doubting you cant spawn with an adv suit if you wanted |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1270
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Posted - 2013.07.15 09:31:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:LT SHANKS wrote:Wait, I specced into proto but I only have 30mil ISK left... I din't spec into Proto and i also have 30 mil ... what's you point ? I cannot afford to run proto in all matches. If this matchmaking thing goes through, I'm screwed. As it is, I went down 40mil ISK running experimental fittings in the last month.
Right .. i thought was something like that I hope CCP rethinks this idea before they go ahead. Matchmaking by access to gear won't work CCP... |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
596
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Posted - 2013.07.15 09:33:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:Queen of Uranus wrote:I'm sure this will make the players who cannot afford to run proto every game happy. I know right ? Only big corps can afford running Proto in every match.. so, solo players and small corps are **** with this matchmaking system. I actually please that i decided to avoid Proto in my last Respec....
So where do I fit in this equation?
I run militia and starter fits with a positive KDR. I also have 1000 (yes one thousand): of protosuits, proto mods, proto weapons, proto sidearms, proto nanohives, proto....well you get my drift??
And if I ever decide to run full proto every match well theres this tiny sum of isk that I have of 556 M.
But I run militia and starter fits since its much more of a challenge to kill advanced and proto fits. I also lol when I get roadkilled, orbitaled, fused nade "gifts" sent to me or flaylock spammed at me. My fits cost three thousand and lower and a few cost zero.
When theres a proto only match mode then I assume I will be there since its going to be fun to do some payback....lol. |
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
689
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Posted - 2013.07.15 09:33:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:We don't even know how the matchmaking will work yet, and people are complaining.
Dunno if I would have called this complaining.... but oh well. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1270
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Posted - 2013.07.15 09:34:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:We don't even know how the matchmaking will work yet, and people are complaining. Dunno if I would have called this complaining.... but oh well.
Is not complaining ... is more a " Warning ". |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
596
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Posted - 2013.07.15 09:39:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:LT SHANKS wrote:Wait, I specced into proto but I only have 30mil ISK left... I din't spec into Proto and i also have 30 mil ... what's you point ? I cannot afford to run proto in all matches. If this matchmaking thing goes through, I'm screwed. As it is, I went down 40mil ISK running experimental fittings in the last month.
Remove your KDR chains since a 1.7 KDR is ok when doing militia/starter assault versus advanced and proto.
Or if the situation is dire then kill installations every match for 300 k and in twenty matches thats six million per day. A good sum of isk.
A month will see you at 150 million to 180 million easy. |
Noc Tempre
Internal Error. League of Infamy
2157
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Posted - 2013.07.15 09:42:00 -
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Martin0 Brancaleone wrote:1- We haven't the matchmaker yet and you are already crying? LOL 2- Ya know that rewards depends on how expensive destroyed stuff in a match is? If everyone is running proto in a match you will get a godly amount of isk at the end.
I would like to point out this is false. The more you destroy, the smaller percentage of that value is awarded. So destroying 10's of millions will barely be noticeable compared to destroying 10's of thousands. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
596
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Posted - 2013.07.15 09:47:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:Martin0 Brancaleone wrote:1- We haven't the matchmaker yet and you are already crying? LOL 2- Ya know that rewards depends on how expensive destroyed stuff in a match is? If everyone is running proto in a match you will get a godly amount of isk at the end. I would like to point out this is false. The more you destroy, the smaller percentage of that value is awarded. So destroying 10's of millions will barely be noticeable compared to destroying 10's of thousands.
Diminishing returns but 250 to 450 per battle is very good when a death cost one to three k or free on my starter fits. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1270
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Posted - 2013.07.15 09:51:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Martin0 Brancaleone wrote:1- We haven't the matchmaker yet and you are already crying? LOL 2- Ya know that rewards depends on how expensive destroyed stuff in a match is? If everyone is running proto in a match you will get a godly amount of isk at the end. I would like to point out this is false. The more you destroy, the smaller percentage of that value is awarded. So destroying 10's of millions will barely be noticeable compared to destroying 10's of thousands. Diminishing returns but 250 to 450 per battle is very good when a death cost one to three k or free on my starter fits.
But.. you see, that is the problem. You starter fits will be useless, if the matchmaking puts you in Pubstoming battles every time.
You don't seeing the bigger picture. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
596
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Posted - 2013.07.15 09:58:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Martin0 Brancaleone wrote:1- We haven't the matchmaker yet and you are already crying? LOL 2- Ya know that rewards depends on how expensive destroyed stuff in a match is? If everyone is running proto in a match you will get a godly amount of isk at the end. I would like to point out this is false. The more you destroy, the smaller percentage of that value is awarded. So destroying 10's of millions will barely be noticeable compared to destroying 10's of thousands. Diminishing returns but 250 to 450 per battle is very good when a death cost one to three k or free on my starter fits. But.. you see, that is the problem. You starter fits will be useless, if the matchmaking puts you in Pubstoming battles every time. You don't seeing the bigger picture.
Starter fit on railgun kills any protobear. Starter fit Sniper plus smg and remotes gets kills for few isk and my fave is proxy since I found a pattern that gets a kill most times.
I never play regular ambush since its fail with no nstallations to use or capture. OMS, Skirmish or Domination have plenty of ways for isk gains. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1270
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Posted - 2013.07.15 10:01:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:Martin0 Brancaleone wrote:1- We haven't the matchmaker yet and you are already crying? LOL 2- Ya know that rewards depends on how expensive destroyed stuff in a match is? If everyone is running proto in a match you will get a godly amount of isk at the end. I would like to point out this is false. The more you destroy, the smaller percentage of that value is awarded. So destroying 10's of millions will barely be noticeable compared to destroying 10's of thousands. Diminishing returns but 250 to 450 per battle is very good when a death cost one to three k or free on my starter fits. But.. you see, that is the problem. You starter fits will be useless, if the matchmaking puts you in Pubstoming battles every time. You don't seeing the bigger picture. Starter fit on railgun kills any protobear. Starter fit Sniper plus smg and remotes gets kills for few isk and my fave is proxy since I found a pattern that gets a kill most times. I never play regular ambush since its fail with no nstallations to use or capture. OMS, Skirmish or Domination have plenty of ways for isk gains.
That doesn't looks fun to me ... but if you want to play the game like that, is up to you... i guess. But the FUN and the enjoyable game-play is going to be in the Adv gear matchmaking. |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
640
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Posted - 2013.07.15 10:12:00 -
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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1050070#post1050070
Not specing into something will not help. Matchmaking is probably based off of more than just gear leveled into. KDR, WP, SP and a few other matrices are at play also. Separating battles by restricting gear is the best way of avoiding proto stomps. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
596
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Posted - 2013.07.15 10:14:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:[quote=Tecare alh the end.
That doesn't looks fun to me ... but if you want to play the game like that, is up to you... i guess. But the FUN and the enjoyable game-play is going to be in Adv gear matchmaking. [/quote]
Starter fit logi with two types of remotes and set six out in a long line then pretend to engage a squad of six enemy protos who only see a starter fit easy kill and they all just have to run after the rabbit to try and kill me then when the squad was in my kill fields I pressed L1 twice to see +50 +50 +50 +50 +50 +50
And that was fun!! |
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Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1270
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Posted - 2013.07.15 10:18:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1050070#post1050070
Not specing into something will not help. Matchmaking is probably based off of more than just gear leveled into. KDR, WP, SP and a few other matrices are at play also. Separating battles by restricting gear is the best way of avoiding proto stomps.
You assuming that CCP is going to be bother trying to make a complex matchmaking system.. i won't hold my breath if i was you. |
Orenji Jiji
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
214
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Posted - 2013.07.15 10:21:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Quote:
That doesn't looks fun to me ... but if you want to play the game like that, is up to you... i guess. But the FUN and the enjoyable game-play is going to be in Adv gear matchmaking.
Starter fit logi with two types of remotes and set six out in a long line then pretend to engage a squad of six enemy protos who only see a starter fit easy kill and they all just have to run after the rabbit to try and kill me then when the squad was in my kill fields I pressed L1 twice to see +50 +50 +50 +50 +50 +50 And that was fun!! And that's good business for you!
Also, OP don't tell me what to do! |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1270
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Posted - 2013.07.15 10:24:00 -
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Orenji Jiji wrote:Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:
That doesn't looks fun to me ... but if you want to play the game like that, is up to you... i guess. But the FUN and the enjoyable game-play is going to be in Adv gear matchmaking.
Starter fit logi with two types of remotes and set six out in a long line then pretend to engage a squad of six enemy protos who only see a starter fit easy kill and they all just have to run after the rabbit to try and kill me then when the squad was in my kill fields I pressed L1 twice to see +50 +50 +50 +50 +50 +50 And that was fun!! And that's good business for you! Also, OP don't tell me what to do!
I rather pick a gun and go to the heat of the battle... that is fun for me.
Also...i din't tell anyone what to do. Just friendly advice for newbies. |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
645
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Posted - 2013.07.15 10:30:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1050070#post1050070
Not specing into something will not help. Matchmaking is probably based off of more than just gear leveled into. KDR, WP, SP and a few other matrices are at play also. Separating battles by restricting gear is the best way of avoiding proto stomps. You assuming that CCP is going to be bother trying to make a complex matchmaking system.. i won't hold my breath if i was you.
We had a system similar to this in the closed beta but there was a glitch or something and the types of gear wasn't enforced. They were organized into militia, standard, advanced and prototype. The problem was that proto gear could spawn into standard and own them. After that the skermish and ambush battles popped up and never changed.
P.S. I stopped all that auto asphyxiation stuff a long time ago. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
688
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Posted - 2013.07.15 10:51:00 -
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Good news vehicles users because we use basic vehicles and free suits we get put into basic games with no advanced/proto AV
They will have to use teamwork to take us out
Hooray! |
Noc Tempre
Internal Error. League of Infamy
2157
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Posted - 2013.07.15 13:16:00 -
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Question... if matchmaking is designed to give an equal chance of winning/losing, but vehicles are priced where you have to have a 70% or higher (depending on fit) FLAWLESS victory rate (let alone just regular winning) to be isk positive with mere standard gear... is this new instant battle system even going to be fun? |
Niuvo
The Phoenix Federation
251
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Posted - 2013.07.15 13:31:00 -
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they should have proto only and some advanced gear and suit mode, the isk will be double or something. A proto gear and suit mode where isk is triple? You should choose which mode u want to play, exactly same gear as you or gear slighly above yours.
I use proto weapons when i want to wreck things. |
Meeko Fent
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
314
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Posted - 2013.07.15 15:22:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:How can you know if a player is proto, for his dropsuit, for his weapon or for his modules? There should be no restriction to the entrance, but then there should be a restriction on total meta level of your fit, if you want to use a proto suit in a STD/MLT battle, you are forced to use all militia modules and weapons with meta level zero or if you want to use a duvolle on a MLT dropsuit you will be forced to use MLT modules. The matchmaker invalids suits with ADV or PROTO if you in a STD match.
Similar to if you ran out of Stock.
It's simple to understand. Easy to code I bet.
I think it's fine. It will get proto squads out of Militia guy matches. Squads themselves are fine. But squads of proto versus squads of standard will always be one sided.
Your idea is good, but I personally like having simple straight up STD matches.
This should only be in instant battle, cause FW and PC are the high risk matches.
Heck, then instead of MIL players trying to balance MIL ARs to PROTO sentinels.
You still could fit STD plates on your Proto suit, just no Proto extenders on your STD Assault. |
Vavilia Lysenko
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
169
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Posted - 2013.07.15 15:25:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:If matchmaking is going to be base on what gear you can equip
Is it?
Or are you just making **** up?
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Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1279
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Posted - 2013.07.15 15:32:00 -
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Vavilia Lysenko wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:If matchmaking is going to be base on what gear you can equip Is it? Or are you just making **** up?
They already said that it will, i believe they said that in E3. |
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ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
859
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Posted - 2013.07.15 15:37:00 -
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yes because thats the ONLY factor the matchmaking is going to look at ... |
Abby Invo
muse.and.fury
6
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Posted - 2013.07.15 15:45:00 -
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Queen of Uranus wrote:I'm sure this will make the players who cannot afford to run proto every game happy. I think it's safe to assume that the people who run proto in pubs are NOT looking for a fair fight. So this will probably **** them off. |
Oso Peresoso
RisingSuns
332
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Posted - 2013.07.15 15:51:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:If matchmaking is going to be base on what gear you can equip, if you have access to Proto suits, even if you never use them, you will put in Pubstoming servers. If you want to have FUN playing Dust 514, AVOID PROTOTYPE SUITS.
Its not, and CCP said it would not be, so go yell at the sky somewhere else you crazy person. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
5193
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:08:00 -
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Yea I'm not looking forward to this at all because I play solo for the most part.
I'll never ever get a reasonable game again.
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BursegSardaukar
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
216
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:13:00 -
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ChribbaX wrote:I'm having fun in proto and milita suits so...?
It would be far better for CCP to introduce more matches with restrictions on gear. Eg you're not allowed to use anything better than milita or std.
Would give us the option to fight either in only one type or all range.
/c
Took the words right out of my mouth.
Add in that the higher the Risk, the higher the Reward (ISK-wise, SP should remain equal), and I'm in! |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1279
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:14:00 -
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Oso Peresoso wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:If matchmaking is going to be base on what gear you can equip, if you have access to Proto suits, even if you never use them, you will put in Pubstoming servers. If you want to have FUN playing Dust 514, AVOID PROTOTYPE SUITS. Its not, and CCP said it would not be, so go yell at the sky somewhere else you crazy person.
Ha! they removed all the E3 threads ...I wonder why... But they DID said in E3 that matchmaking will be base on what gear you have, and what equipment you use. |
Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK rise of legion
259
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:15:00 -
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I can run full proto, but run in standard and BPO for pub matches. I occasionally run in an advanced suit, but I still run with standard weapons, I do it for the advanced equipment fitting. |
Nemo Bluntz
TeamPlayers EoN.
102
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:15:00 -
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"Can't afford to run proto"
Seriously, how often are you guys dying in your protosuits? I mean, I have a bad round here or there, but in general I'm making more ISK than losing when I run them. |
Knight SoIaire
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1294
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:19:00 -
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I wish I could use my Proto Scout suit, +50k ISK extra, for only +22 HP and REs, lolno. |
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