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Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
1270
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Posted - 2013.07.15 10:18:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1050070#post1050070
Not specing into something will not help. Matchmaking is probably based off of more than just gear leveled into. KDR, WP, SP and a few other matrices are at play also. Separating battles by restricting gear is the best way of avoiding proto stomps.
You assuming that CCP is going to be bother trying to make a complex matchmaking system.. i won't hold my breath if i was you. |
Orenji Jiji
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
214
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Posted - 2013.07.15 10:21:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Quote:
That doesn't looks fun to me ... but if you want to play the game like that, is up to you... i guess. But the FUN and the enjoyable game-play is going to be in Adv gear matchmaking.
Starter fit logi with two types of remotes and set six out in a long line then pretend to engage a squad of six enemy protos who only see a starter fit easy kill and they all just have to run after the rabbit to try and kill me then when the squad was in my kill fields I pressed L1 twice to see +50 +50 +50 +50 +50 +50 And that was fun!!
And that's good business for you!
Also, OP don't tell me what to do! |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
1270
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Posted - 2013.07.15 10:24:00 -
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Orenji Jiji wrote:Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:
That doesn't looks fun to me ... but if you want to play the game like that, is up to you... i guess. But the FUN and the enjoyable game-play is going to be in Adv gear matchmaking.
Starter fit logi with two types of remotes and set six out in a long line then pretend to engage a squad of six enemy protos who only see a starter fit easy kill and they all just have to run after the rabbit to try and kill me then when the squad was in my kill fields I pressed L1 twice to see +50 +50 +50 +50 +50 +50 And that was fun!! And that's good business for you! Also, OP don't tell me what to do!
I rather pick a gun and go to the heat of the battle... that is fun for me.
Also...i din't tell anyone what to do. Just friendly advice for newbies. |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
645
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Posted - 2013.07.15 10:30:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1050070#post1050070
Not specing into something will not help. Matchmaking is probably based off of more than just gear leveled into. KDR, WP, SP and a few other matrices are at play also. Separating battles by restricting gear is the best way of avoiding proto stomps. You assuming that CCP is going to be bother trying to make a complex matchmaking system.. i won't hold my breath if i was you.
We had a system similar to this in the closed beta but there was a glitch or something and the types of gear wasn't enforced. They were organized into militia, standard, advanced and prototype. The problem was that proto gear could spawn into standard and own them. After that the skermish and ambush battles popped up and never changed.
P.S. I stopped all that auto asphyxiation stuff a long time ago. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
688
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Posted - 2013.07.15 10:51:00 -
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Good news vehicles users because we use basic vehicles and free suits we get put into basic games with no advanced/proto AV
They will have to use teamwork to take us out
Hooray! |
Noc Tempre
Internal Error.
League of Infamy
2157
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Posted - 2013.07.15 13:16:00 -
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Question... if matchmaking is designed to give an equal chance of winning/losing, but vehicles are priced where you have to have a 70% or higher (depending on fit) FLAWLESS victory rate (let alone just regular winning) to be isk positive with mere standard gear... is this new instant battle system even going to be fun? |
Niuvo
The Phoenix Federation
251
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Posted - 2013.07.15 13:31:00 -
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they should have proto only and some advanced gear and suit mode, the isk will be double or something.
A proto gear and suit mode where isk is triple?
You should choose which mode u want to play, exactly same gear as you or gear slighly above yours.
I use proto weapons when i want to wreck things. |
Meeko Fent
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
314
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Posted - 2013.07.15 15:22:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:How can you know if a player is proto, for his dropsuit, for his weapon or for his modules?
There should be no restriction to the entrance, but then there should be a restriction on total meta level of your fit, if you want to use a proto suit in a STD/MLT battle, you are forced to use all militia modules and weapons with meta level zero or if you want to use a duvolle on a MLT dropsuit you will be forced to use MLT modules.
The matchmaker invalids suits with ADV or PROTO if you in a STD match.
Similar to if you ran out of Stock.
It's simple to understand. Easy to code I bet.
I think it's fine. It will get proto squads out of Militia guy matches. Squads themselves are fine. But squads of proto versus squads of standard will always be one sided.
Your idea is good, but I personally like having simple straight up STD matches.
This should only be in instant battle, cause FW and PC are the high risk matches.
Heck, then instead of MIL players trying to balance MIL ARs to PROTO sentinels.
You still could fit STD plates on your Proto suit, just no Proto extenders on your STD Assault. |
Vavilia Lysenko
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
169
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Posted - 2013.07.15 15:25:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:If matchmaking is going to be base on what gear you can equip
Is it?
Or are you just making **** up?
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Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
1279
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Posted - 2013.07.15 15:32:00 -
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Vavilia Lysenko wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:If matchmaking is going to be base on what gear you can equip Is it? Or are you just making **** up?
They already said that it will, i believe they said that in E3. |
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ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
859
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Posted - 2013.07.15 15:37:00 -
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yes because thats the ONLY factor the matchmaking is going to look at ...  |
Abby Invo
muse.and.fury
6
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Posted - 2013.07.15 15:45:00 -
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Queen of Uranus wrote:I'm sure this will make the players who cannot afford to run proto every game happy.
I think it's safe to assume that the people who run proto in pubs are NOT looking for a fair fight. So this will probably **** them off. |
Oso Peresoso
RisingSuns
332
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Posted - 2013.07.15 15:51:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:If matchmaking is going to be base on what gear you can equip, if you have access to Proto suits, even if you never use them, you will put in Pubstoming servers. If you want to have FUN playing Dust 514, AVOID PROTOTYPE SUITS.
Its not, and CCP said it would not be, so go yell at the sky somewhere else you crazy person. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
5193
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:08:00 -
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Yea I'm not looking forward to this at all because I play solo for the most part.
I'll never ever get a reasonable game again.
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BursegSardaukar
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
216
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:13:00 -
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ChribbaX wrote:I'm having fun in proto and milita suits so...?
It would be far better for CCP to introduce more matches with restrictions on gear. Eg you're not allowed to use anything better than milita or std.
Would give us the option to fight either in only one type or all range.
/c
Took the words right out of my mouth.
Add in that the higher the Risk, the higher the Reward (ISK-wise, SP should remain equal), and I'm in! |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
1279
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:14:00 -
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Oso Peresoso wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:If matchmaking is going to be base on what gear you can equip, if you have access to Proto suits, even if you never use them, you will put in Pubstoming servers. If you want to have FUN playing Dust 514, AVOID PROTOTYPE SUITS. Its not, and CCP said it would not be, so go yell at the sky somewhere else you crazy person.
Ha! they removed all the E3 threads ...I wonder why... But they DID said in E3 that matchmaking will be base on what gear you have, and what equipment you use. |
Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK
rise of legion
259
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:15:00 -
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I can run full proto, but run in standard and BPO for pub matches. I occasionally run in an advanced suit, but I still run with standard weapons, I do it for the advanced equipment fitting. |
Nemo Bluntz
TeamPlayers
EoN.
102
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:15:00 -
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"Can't afford to run proto"
Seriously, how often are you guys dying in your protosuits? I mean, I have a bad round here or there, but in general I'm making more ISK than losing when I run them. |
Knight SoIaire
Better Hide R Die
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1294
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Posted - 2013.07.15 16:19:00 -
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I wish I could use my Proto Scout suit, +50k ISK extra, for only +22 HP and REs, lolno. |
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