Noticed alot of people are saying that the Flaylock has too large of a radius.

NO.

This damned thing has a splash radius smaller than ANY THER WEAPON.

The issue is the damage dealt. Theyre not aiming three meters away from you, theyre aiming AT YOU or AT YOUR FEET. This means that even with a radius of 1.5m they can still hit and deal damage.

Why do I say damage? Because they do more splash damage than ANY SEMI AUTO WEAPON IN THE GAME. That includes Large Missile Turrets and all Mass Driver variants. Charge times, projectile arches, etc were all put in place to balance these powerful weapons. The entire premise of why missiles now suck is because they do **** for splash damage (80? Seriously?)

Think about this... A Plasma Cannon has a splash radius of 3.5, larger than a Flaylock, but its strength is inits direct damage, not the splash.

Everyone keeps saying 'nerf the radius and RoF' but youre not looking at the big issue at hand. This is a close range weapon THAT CAN DOWN DROPSHIPS. I seriously doubt radius is going to stopa weapon that deals 650+ damage per magazine. CCP is going to nerf the radius because thats the feedback theyve gotten when its not the real issue. Do the research, compare to similar weapons and THEN propose changes.

CCP: This is not feedback, this is a corrective/educational statement.

the complaint was from the skill book +5% BR which should be a +3%, as a missile turret user from an ADS stand point BR is the way to go (I think a hammer should be dropped but not some sledge hammer where we have to buff it after), a >small< reduction to SD might help.

Funny you said about the Plasma Cannon...I actually hit someone the other day in the face.. but only the splash damage registered, even that i saw very clearly the splash animation. The same thing happen when i shoot someone at the legs..I have to carefully aim at the CENTER of the hit box to get a direct hit...

The two are cumulative. The radius wouldn't be so much of an issue if the damge wasn't so high, and vice versa.

One or the other needs a nerf. And since these are rockets, not grenades, I feel that reducing splash radius is the way to go. Especially when you consider that said radius increases by more than 100% from standard to proto.

No it isn't...on a dps level it's in line with other proto sidearms

The only difference is, it does it in bursts rather than over a longer period of time. Get used to it and adapt instead of whining...

Find me one other sidearm that does damage over a 2.5m radius and we'll talk.

Find me one other sidearm that does damage over a 2.5m radius and we'll talk.

So true, the splash is 90% of direct damage, that is crazy. Why even bother aiming for a direct hit where in you could whiff when you could just fart their general direction and get relatively the same damage.

If that's true then it's really bad, maybe even broken.

R'adeh recites the same mantra on every Flaylock board. You won't get anywhere with him.

Not if you don't have any rational counter arguments...which you clearly don't have because you're seemingly unable to use your brain to come up with counter tactics (of which there are many).

Explain to me again how a Flaylock isn't easier to use than a Scram or SMG?

::sits back, popcorn in hand::

Because it requires you to lead your shots way more. It's also way less effective at range compared to the SP for example. In CQC the SMG allows you to stay alive even if you miss a few shots. They all have advantages and disadvantages. I take it you never tested all sidearms at proto level

IN CQC the flaylock allows you to stay alive evenif you miss a few shots AND kill the enemy.

throwing out 500dmg in 3 seconds and having to do a 1.5 second reload hardly is a 'disadvantage' i am amazed people keep saying this. When flaylocks users die its cause they depleted their stamina bunnyhopping and cant angle their shots or evade in the same way, not because of a reload.

Dear R'adeh Hunt an answer like "Not unless you face morons as opponents...." can be applied to anything. Just drop all your "research" and I will admit you're right if it makes sense.

I like how stlcarlos989 seems to come up with facts unlike you...to bad he isn'tsupporting the flaylock.

So you still expect people to spoon feed you instead of using the search function. All the stats have been posted numerous times.

Also, in EVE we have something called an "EFT warrior". They're people who solely base their opinion about a weapon on paper stats instead of actual gameplay....you seem to fall into that category

Hey I already said I tried to look for the data but couldn't find it. You are the one that is too stuborn to help me out. By the way stlcarlos989 dropped some numbers, you ignore them...that already says enough...doesn't it?

What's the EVE-term for people that can't win an argument by copy/pasting data that is already available (according to you) and try to revert to name-calling?

5) The splash is over 200 for the STD variant

U'mmm... no, it's not

Do the damage calculations yourself and stop being such a stats warrior instead of actually thinking about gameplay...it's tough to take you seriously if you're too dumb to use the search function.

Keep hiding .

Are you telling me that you don't have numbers? Claiming that I only base my findings on numbers is also a good move to push me in your EVE-term...to bad that it doesn't apply.

Why are you still arguing, spending energy in these kind of threads if there is already a thread where this information is already available?

No, I'm telling you that I didin't note them down from the multiple posts on the forum. And I'm not gonna waste my time digging up those posts because I already know it to be true. I used every single sidearm at proto level (prof lvl4).

I'm spending my time here because people like you don't seem to be willing/capable to come up with counter tactics and rather whine for nerfs. And once a gun is nerfed, you simply jump to the next one. Every time your brain is challenged, you simply whine for a new nerf.

So you are not sure if someone posted in that thread that made better claims either?

Is there anything of value you can bring to this forum instead of hurting my feelings (or a weak attempt at that)?

Not exactly. It's how missiles should be in general. Missiles are splash weapons.

The problem here, is that the flaylock does a bit too much damage and doesn't trade much off for its burst power. In addition, its good AoE guarantees 90% of the shots fired will do their damage. This is not the case with an SMG or Scrambler pistol, that tend to miss often in CQC.

A good fix, would be to increase load time and reduce clip size to 2 or reduce firing speed by a considerable amount (either of the two). This would punish the flaylock spam greatly, if the change was made.

The problem with the flaylock is, while currently it DOES need a nerf based on its damage output, splash range and low CPU/PG, almost all the suggestions I've seen break the gun into being useless.

"Try winning a fight against a Caldari logi for example with only 2 shots"

In this other thread you stated that non-PRO suits should stop complaining about PRO-weapons.
I told you that my gallente PRO-logi sucks against explosion damage. (Note how this is a general statement and that I never whined ;-)). You answered something in the line of: use Scrambler Pistol for shield-tankers.
Now you are ignoring your own advise?

Now you even agree that the flaylock currently DOES need a nerf based on its damage output?

LOL, I guess I wasn't done yet.

Not exactly. It's how missiles should be in general. Missiles are splash weapons.

The problem here, is that the flaylock does a bit too much damage and doesn't trade much off for its burst power. In addition, its good AoE guarantees 90% of the shots fired will do their damage. This is not the case with an SMG or Scrambler pistol, that tend to miss often in CQC.

A good fix, would be to increase load time and reduce clip size to 2 or reduce firing speed by a considerable amount (either of the two). This would punish the flaylock spam greatly, if the change was made.

" But i feel the damage could be lowered by 20 or 30 damage, without making the flaylock completely useless against shield tanks, and still be effective against armor."


Shouldn't their shield be mostly taken out anyways from your primary weapon. I mean, you do take out a side arm secondly...right?

As for cutting splash damage, if you do that, then you better buff direct damage cause it's too damn low ATM.

This is a close range weapon THAT CAN DOWN DROPSHIPS.

Are you serious? Too Damn Low? You just posted two seconds ago that you finish people off with the Flaylock and you want a damage increase?

If you can't kill someone with your primary weapon and then switch to your 'reduced splash damage flaylock' then you deserve to die. Period.