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Django Quik
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Posted - 2013.07.13 23:09:00 -
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Firstly, I want to apologise to anyone who played a game with me in today because I was AFK while I was doing this for 10 games - I don't do it often but at least this time I had good reason.
Okay, so what I did was fairly simple: I just tallied up every cause of death for every kill of anybody [/b]on either team over the course of 10 matches. This was during a Saturday evening GMT (I plan to repeat the process at various other times during the day/week in the future to get a wider overview).
These were the results and I've given some analysis below:
Assault Rifle - 379
Sniper Rifle - 136
HMG - 112
LAV - 83
Mass Driver - 73
HAV - 67
Scrambler Rifle - 52
SMG - 51
Precision Strike - 46
Forge Gun - 39
Locus Grenade - 37
Swarm Launcher - 26
Shotgun - 17
AV Grenade - 12
Flaylock - 10
Installation - 9
Scrambler Pistol - 7
Remote Explosive - 7
Plasma Cannon - 6
Dropship - 6
Laser - 1
Melee - 1
Flux Grenade - 1
So, it's not great surprise that ARs were top of the list by quite some margin (and by far the most common AR kill was with a GEK-38) but personally I very rarely get sniped, so I wasn't expecting that value to be quite so high. Then there was a big surprise that the HMG was so high up because heavies are constantly complaining about how terrible it is to be them these days (on a related note the FG was also surprisingly high up the list).
The LAVs is a big issue really (although a handful of those kills were actually with the LAV turret but most were by running people over). Seriously, the 4th biggest killer on the battlefield over 10 games was hit and runs!?
Also of note is how high up the SMG is and how low the Flaylock is - seeing as how many people have been complaining about the 'Godlock' pistol being OP, I was expecting this to be high up if not only the best sidearm. Finally, another couple of expecteds at the lower end the shotgun, laser rifle and plasma cannon.
Fortunately, I know that CCP collect this sort of data for all matches and so are very well aware of the kinds of numbers on a much much greater scale - so with any luck they know the problem areas and are planning on sorting them all out fairly soon (TM)...
- I'll add more data as and when I collect it - |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.07.13 23:12:00 -
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so i killed you with my laser? sounds great! |
Django Quik
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Posted - 2013.07.13 23:17:00 -
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ladwar wrote:so i killed you with my laser? sounds great!
Not me - I was tallying everyone's kills over the 10 matches. I was AFKing while counting all of it, so had no deaths/kills at all. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Tribal Band Dust Mercenaries
Immortals of War
2240
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Posted - 2013.07.13 23:22:00 -
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Lol at plasma cannon users having more success than a laser user (hopefully it was just 1, since they only had 1 kill) |
Anuliadon Gortusk
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
49
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Posted - 2013.07.13 23:28:00 -
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In your general pub flaylocks won't appear to frequently simply because the majority of players are not skilled into it. Watch any pc battle and fused/flaylock central begins. |
Daxxis KANNAH
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.13 23:32:00 -
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Anuliadon Gortusk wrote:In your general pub flaylocks won't appear to frequently simply because the majority of players are not skilled into it. Watch any pc battle and fused/flaylock central begins.
How cant a skilled group of AR's defeat a group of flaylock users - or are you guys running head first into each other Braveheart style. |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic
Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.07.13 23:41:00 -
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+1 great work
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That poor lonely bastard. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
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Posted - 2013.07.13 23:53:00 -
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This is all nice and fine and all, but really proves nothing as to what weapon is over powered or under powered. It simply tells us what the most popular weapons were in the matches that you recorded these statistics.
There are simply too many variables to conduct a test as simple as this.
For more information see my thread here. |
Darth-Carbonite GIO
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Posted - 2013.07.14 02:27:00 -
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Great work, Django! It's cool to see stats like these, and especially good to hear the mass driver is on the mend.
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Laser - 1
That poor lonely bastard.
I think I feel worse for the guy he got. The shame must be terrible! |
Darth-Carbonite GIO
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Posted - 2013.07.14 02:28:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:This is all nice and fine and all, but really proves nothing as to what weapon is over powered or under powered. It simply tells us what the most popular weapons were in the matches that you recorded these statistics. There are simply too many variables to conduct a test as simple as this. For more information see my thread here.
Shameless self-promotion |
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Django Quik
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Posted - 2013.07.14 08:41:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:This is all nice and fine and all, but really proves nothing as to what weapon is over powered or under powered. It simply tells us what the most popular weapons were in the matches that you recorded these statistics. There are simply too many variables to conduct a test as simple as this. For more information see my thread here.
For the record i was not trying to use there stats to show what is op or up. This was just to see if there were any interesting correlations with expected results and there were. The fact the ar came out on top means nothing really but the hmg also being quite high is significant and shows it's possibly not quite as useless as people have been making out - possibly.
Also 10 games is quite a lot and covered every single map at least once but like i said i plan to redo this process at other times to get broader results and avoid the possibility of having the same people in every match skewing the data.
Also, the data has to be analysed and interpreted to make any useful conclusions and that's the hard part. You are quite correct that this shows what weapons are most popular but the next step is to figure out why they're most popular. The ar we might saw is because it's the most instantly familiar to fps players but it could also be op - the stats alone can not tell us that. However, 1 kill with a laser rifle indicates that almost no one uses it and the only conclusion must be that it's useless. Even the plasma cannon got more kills and people claim that that's terrible too!
As for the flaylock, that was my most intriguing result and I'll be very interested to see if the trend continues in my next few sessions.
Thanks for the constructive feedback though - i look forward to discussing this further soon. |
I-Shayz-I
ZionTCD
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Posted - 2013.07.14 09:22:00 -
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I have done this a couple times and have gotten similar results.
However I did mine before the 1.2 update so shotgun was much higher on the list.
I'm thinking that the reason flaylocks and HMG's are skewed on this list is because of a few reasons. First of all, HMG's and flaylocks are only good for players that have skilled way up into them and are either stacking damage mods, or suing some other method of making the weapon more useful. Also, if you get a good HMG player in the match they can easily get 20-30 kills and skew the chart substantially. Flaylocks aren't used as most as other weapons because they require a special setup for them to be effective. The problem is, they're too effective and annoyingly so. |
GET ATMESON
NEW AGE EMPIRE
The Family Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.07.14 09:34:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:I have done this a couple times and have gotten similar results.
However I did mine before the 1.2 update so shotgun was much higher on the list.
I'm thinking that the reason flaylocks and HMG's are skewed on this list is because of a few reasons. First of all, HMG's and flaylocks are only good for players that have skilled way up into them and are either stacking damage mods, or suing some other method of making the weapon more useful. Also, if you get a good HMG player in the match they can easily get 20-30 kills and skew the chart substantially. Flaylocks aren't used as most as other weapons because they require a special setup for them to be effective. The problem is, they're too effective and annoyingly so.
Ding ding ding. This guys a correct. +1 |
Django Quik
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Posted - 2013.07.14 16:34:00 -
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Updated for today's stats and added new analyses.
GET ATMESON wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:I have done this a couple times and have gotten similar results.
However I did mine before the 1.2 update so shotgun was much higher on the list.
I'm thinking that the reason flaylocks and HMG's are skewed on this list is because of a few reasons. First of all, HMG's and flaylocks are only good for players that have skilled way up into them and are either stacking damage mods, or suing some other method of making the weapon more useful. Also, if you get a good HMG player in the match they can easily get 20-30 kills and skew the chart substantially. Flaylocks aren't used as most as other weapons because they require a special setup for them to be effective. The problem is, they're too effective and annoyingly so. Ding ding ding. This guys a correct. +1
Unfortunately I don't think so. At least about the HMG thing. The HMG kill count was pretty consistent in most matches with only one of the 20 matches so far reaching over 20 kills.
I'm still unsure as to why the flaylock gets so much OP whine but it certainly isn't getting the kills to warrant it |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.07.14 16:43:00 -
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Nice to know that the HMG is making a comeback. Kudos to the heavies. |
Darth-Carbonite GIO
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Posted - 2013.07.14 16:45:00 -
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Quote:I'm still unsure as to why the flaylock gets so much OP whine but it certainly isn't getting the kills to warrant it
Explosives, by their very nature, are scary. I don't get killed by flaylocks often, but when I do, it's startling. Fear often turns to rage, which then requires an outlet. Hence the forum crying.
Just my hypothesis. |
gandalgrey
STRONG-ARMED BANDITS
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Posted - 2013.07.14 16:45:00 -
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I love stats guess im jus a stat geek would love to see my own |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.14 16:48:00 -
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2293 kills in 10 matches ?
It is something wrong with you math, or you been playing a different game. |
Django Quik
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Posted - 2013.07.14 16:48:00 -
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gandalgrey wrote:I love stats guess im jus a stat geek would love to see my own
Hehe yeah, love me stats too but god damn it gets dull just reading the kill feed and counting! The analyses are the fun part :) |
gandalgrey
STRONG-ARMED BANDITS
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Posted - 2013.07.14 16:50:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:gandalgrey wrote:I love stats guess im jus a stat geek would love to see my own Hehe yeah, love me stats too but god damn it gets dull just reading the kill feed and counting! The analyses are the fun part :)
My top two would be the other way around to that though |
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
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Posted - 2013.07.14 16:56:00 -
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87.3% of all stats are false.
Only 4 Knives? Not that effective, is it dip****s? Get a real weapon. |
RevoL Frog
The Generals
EoN.
51
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Posted - 2013.07.14 17:01:00 -
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Do you even know how to count? When has 41 ever gone between 32 & 21?
Maybe an unconscious bias on your part?
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Django Quik
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Posted - 2013.07.14 17:04:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:2293 kills in 10 matches ? It is something wrong with you math, or you been playing a different game. By the way... that is over 200 kills per battle .... 
Well it's kills on both sides, so that could go up to 300 but also I've updated for a 2nd set of 10 matches now, so that's 20 matches. |
Django Quik
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Posted - 2013.07.14 17:05:00 -
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RevoL Frog wrote:Do you even know how to count? When has 41 ever gone between 32 & 21?
Maybe an unconscious bias on your part?
Ah you are quite correct - no need to be an ass about it though. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.14 17:07:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:2293 kills in 10 matches ? It is something wrong with you math, or you been playing a different game. By the way... that is over 200 kills per battle ....
No.. seriously .. explain your math ..
Skirmish 150 clones x2 = 300 (and most battles finish in red-line with low K/D ratio scores)
Ambush 50 clones x2 = 100 (So even if both teams depletes each other reserves.. you still are 100 clones short.) |
Django Quik
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Posted - 2013.07.14 17:07:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:87.3% of all stats are false.
Only 4 Knives? Not that effective, is it dip****s? Get a real weapon.
My scouty buddies have been telling me that there's hit detection problems with the knives lately, so that may be why they're not featuring much. |
RevoL Frog
The Generals
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.14 17:08:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:RevoL Frog wrote:Do you even know how to count? When has 41 ever gone between 32 & 21?
Maybe an unconscious bias on your part?
Ah you are quite correct - no need to be an ass about it though.
My bad. I apologize.
I still don't like the flaylock  |
pegasis prime
The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.07.14 17:09:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:Rynoceros wrote:87.3% of all stats are false.
Only 4 Knives? Not that effective, is it dip****s? Get a real weapon. My scouty buddies have been telling me that there's hit detection problems with the knives lately, so that may be why they're not featuring much.
Before the patch it was much easyer for my minja to slice and dice whilst moving I can down moving targets with my knives if im right on top of them but someting has changed and its not as easy as it was. I still love my minja though and will continue to stab and slice as many reds as posible. |
gandalgrey
STRONG-ARMED BANDITS
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Posted - 2013.07.14 17:12:00 -
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RevoL Frog wrote:Django Quik wrote:RevoL Frog wrote:Do you even know how to count? When has 41 ever gone between 32 & 21?
Maybe an unconscious bias on your part?
Ah you are quite correct - no need to be an ass about it though. My bad. I apologize. I still don't like the flaylock
I fecking hate the flaylock does my friking head in grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
401
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Posted - 2013.07.14 17:13:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:2293 kills in 10 matches ? It is something wrong with you math, or you been playing a different game. By the way... that is over 200 kills per battle .... Well it's kills on both sides, so that could go up to 300 but also I've updated for a 2nd set of 10 matches now, so that's 20 matches.
20 matches still doesn't adds on ... that is over 100 kills per match .. try again ? |
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