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Zero Notion
Red Star Jr. EoN.
34
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Posted - 2013.07.12 11:58:00 -
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Maybe the challenge is just a social experiment to see what would happen in matches; it's a fairly good experiment setup, with plenty of observational data to record thanks to the diverse nature of the goals and the high number of objectives that need to be completed for each one.
Maybe they're attempting to stress the mechanics of the game, the servers, the maps and so on in order to discover exploits, emergent game play models, etc.
Also, OP, why do you have such a bad attitude? I don't get it. I can understand that some of the community may bother you but the community that is found on the forums is only a small sample of the community as a whole. If what you find on the forums bothers you so much that you have to aggressively lash out, why would you continue reading it? It's a game enjoyed by many people for many different reasons. Our subjective definition of what Dust is to us is just that; subjective.
Chill, bro. We're all gamers here. Even the trolls. |
Tazmanic
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.07.12 12:00:00 -
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Zero Notion wrote:Maybe the challenge is just a social experiment to see what would happen in matches; it's a fairly good experiment setup, with plenty of observational data to record thanks to the diverse nature of the goals and the high number of objectives that need to be completed for each one.
Maybe they're attempting to stress the mechanics of the game, the servers, the maps and so on in order to discover exploits, emergent game play models, etc.
Uhm then it would still be in beta, this is supposed to be a finished product. |
Zero Notion
Red Star Jr. EoN.
34
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Posted - 2013.07.12 12:02:00 -
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Tazmanic wrote:Zero Notion wrote:Maybe the challenge is just a social experiment to see what would happen in matches; it's a fairly good experiment setup, with plenty of observational data to record thanks to the diverse nature of the goals and the high number of objectives that need to be completed for each one.
Maybe they're attempting to stress the mechanics of the game, the servers, the maps and so on in order to discover exploits, emergent game play models, etc. Uhm then it would still be in beta, this is supposed to be a finished product.
What, you really don't think that developers don't continue testing their game? It's a game that is in a constant state of development due to the very nature of the game type. |
CHIPMINT BUTTERCUP
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
28
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Posted - 2013.07.12 12:02:00 -
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Zero Notion wrote:Maybe the challenge is just a social experiment to see what would happen in matches; it's a fairly good experiment setup, with plenty of observational data to record thanks to the diverse nature of the goals and the high number of objectives that need to be completed for each one.
Maybe they're attempting to stress the mechanics of the game, the servers, the maps and so on in order to discover exploits, emergent game play models, etc.
Also, OP, why do you have such a bad attitude? I don't get it. I can understand that some of the community may bother you but the community that is found on the forums is only a small sample of the community as a whole. If what you find on the forums bothers you so much that you have to aggressively lash out, why would you continue reading it? It's a game enjoyed by many people for many different reasons. Our subjective definition of what Dust is to us is just that; subjective.
Chill, bro. We're all gamers here. Even the trolls.
So they are still Beta testing then, right? LOL
F2P = CCP not having to hire a QA team. |
Zero Notion
Red Star Jr. EoN.
34
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Posted - 2013.07.12 12:07:00 -
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CHIPMINT BUTTERCUP wrote:Zero Notion wrote:Maybe the challenge is just a social experiment to see what would happen in matches; it's a fairly good experiment setup, with plenty of observational data to record thanks to the diverse nature of the goals and the high number of objectives that need to be completed for each one.
Maybe they're attempting to stress the mechanics of the game, the servers, the maps and so on in order to discover exploits, emergent game play models, etc.
Also, OP, why do you have such a bad attitude? I don't get it. I can understand that some of the community may bother you but the community that is found on the forums is only a small sample of the community as a whole. If what you find on the forums bothers you so much that you have to aggressively lash out, why would you continue reading it? It's a game enjoyed by many people for many different reasons. Our subjective definition of what Dust is to us is just that; subjective.
Chill, bro. We're all gamers here. Even the trolls. So they are still Beta testing then, right? LOL F2P = CCP not having to hire a QA team.
CCP is constantly monitoring the game to ensure that their predicted models are working correctly. This is a game that is constantly evolving and changing due to the number of players. This isn't 'beta' testing at all. It's always a good idea to stress the systems of any game to ensure that it is properly working under new conditions. Developers cannot always predict what sort of exploits, tactics or mechanics a player might utilize to gain an advantage. It's data collection.
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Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
301
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Posted - 2013.07.12 12:08:00 -
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CHIPMINT BUTTERCUP wrote:Zero Notion wrote:Maybe the challenge is just a social experiment to see what would happen in matches; it's a fairly good experiment setup, with plenty of observational data to record thanks to the diverse nature of the goals and the high number of objectives that need to be completed for each one.
Maybe they're attempting to stress the mechanics of the game, the servers, the maps and so on in order to discover exploits, emergent game play models, etc.
Also, OP, why do you have such a bad attitude? I don't get it. I can understand that some of the community may bother you but the community that is found on the forums is only a small sample of the community as a whole. If what you find on the forums bothers you so much that you have to aggressively lash out, why would you continue reading it? It's a game enjoyed by many people for many different reasons. Our subjective definition of what Dust is to us is just that; subjective.
Chill, bro. We're all gamers here. Even the trolls. So they are still Beta testing then, right? LOL F2P = CCP not having to hire a QA team.
Very much.... we helping CCP to develop the game for free, a new F2P model perhaps ? FTD ( Free To Develop )... opss.. me bad..I can see the Banning Hammer pointing in my direction... Better run... |
Vrain Matari
ZionTCD
621
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Posted - 2013.07.12 12:10:00 -
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Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote:CHIPMINT BUTTERCUP wrote:Gigatron Prime wrote:Scotty2Hottie6 wrote:Boosting is part of EVERY ONLINE game, deal with it Your attitude is disgusting and contributes nothing to this community. In fact, the majority of this community contribute nothing. Yeah I agree. Most of us contribute nothing and should not play this LOL joke of a F2P LOL FPS LOL MMO LOL game. CCP sucks at making FPS's and this is one of many consequences of them sucking at making FPS's. Be mad at CCP not at the ones using CCP's fails to their advantage . Your are too harsh at assessing CCP's fails. If somebody starts to do new things and "sucks" in the beginning it just means she will improve with time. Not that she should stop doing this "new thing". DUST game model is somewhat different from the previous old ones. Old ones would sit in developing limbo until somebody decides it is polished enough to show to the people and rip them off they money in the obscene manner. This game of DUST is almost "crowd sourced" and made on the go, getting better and better on monthly basis while people are already using it. There is more pressure on developers in this new way than in the old way. Whines and curses are inevitable But it is not mandatory to buy AUR... You can actually play for free... At the price +1 for keeping it all in perspective.
It's easy for us burnt out beta testers to look on this adventure with jaded eyes.
The development environment for DUST includes CREST, globally distributed battleservers feeding a single shard which is simultaneously running EVE Online, and all this through PSN. And on a platform new to CCP.
Free high quality voicechat in customizable user created channels - easy to forget those theadnaughts, eh?
Procedurally generated maps based on planetary characteristics, stars and ship brackets in their correct positions in the skybox.
Integrating DUST merc's motivations into EVE is really like making a socio-economic-political RPG FPS lobby shooter - which CCP wants to turn into and open world military/economic simulation.
There are a lot of technologies that CCP are pioneering in DUST and they all talk to each other and CREST.
I'm sure there are big development houses out there who are looking at what CCP is attempting as just flat-out crazy, and not a few of them who would be afraid to take on the challenge that CCP has. |
Zero Notion
Red Star Jr. EoN.
35
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Posted - 2013.07.12 12:10:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:CHIPMINT BUTTERCUP wrote:Zero Notion wrote:Maybe the challenge is just a social experiment to see what would happen in matches; it's a fairly good experiment setup, with plenty of observational data to record thanks to the diverse nature of the goals and the high number of objectives that need to be completed for each one.
Maybe they're attempting to stress the mechanics of the game, the servers, the maps and so on in order to discover exploits, emergent game play models, etc.
Also, OP, why do you have such a bad attitude? I don't get it. I can understand that some of the community may bother you but the community that is found on the forums is only a small sample of the community as a whole. If what you find on the forums bothers you so much that you have to aggressively lash out, why would you continue reading it? It's a game enjoyed by many people for many different reasons. Our subjective definition of what Dust is to us is just that; subjective.
Chill, bro. We're all gamers here. Even the trolls. So they are still Beta testing then, right? LOL F2P = CCP not having to hire a QA team. Very much.... we helping CCP to develop the game for free, a new F2P model perhaps ? FTD ( Free To Develop )... opss.. me bad..I can see the Banning Hammer pointing in my direction... Better run...
By nature of playing any MMO-styled game, you are helping developers develop their game in real time. Do you think it is any different than millions of players playing a non-MMO, where new bugs/exploits are found and then patched by the developer? |
Zero Notion
Red Star Jr. EoN.
35
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Posted - 2013.07.12 12:13:00 -
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Quote:Vrain Matari's post.
I want to give you all my +1's forever. |
CHIPMINT BUTTERCUP
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
28
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Posted - 2013.07.12 12:16:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote:CHIPMINT BUTTERCUP wrote:Gigatron Prime wrote:Scotty2Hottie6 wrote:Boosting is part of EVERY ONLINE game, deal with it Your attitude is disgusting and contributes nothing to this community. In fact, the majority of this community contribute nothing. Yeah I agree. Most of us contribute nothing and should not play this LOL joke of a F2P LOL FPS LOL MMO LOL game. CCP sucks at making FPS's and this is one of many consequences of them sucking at making FPS's. Be mad at CCP not at the ones using CCP's fails to their advantage . Your are too harsh at assessing CCP's fails. If somebody starts to do new things and "sucks" in the beginning it just means she will improve with time. Not that she should stop doing this "new thing". DUST game model is somewhat different from the previous old ones. Old ones would sit in developing limbo until somebody decides it is polished enough to show to the people and rip them off they money in the obscene manner. This game of DUST is almost "crowd sourced" and made on the go, getting better and better on monthly basis while people are already using it. There is more pressure on developers in this new way than in the old way. Whines and curses are inevitable But it is not mandatory to buy AUR... You can actually play for free... At the price +1 for keeping it all in perspective. It's easy for us burnt out beta testers to look on this adventure with jaded eyes. The development environment for DUST includes CREST, globally distributed battleservers feeding a single shard which is simultaneously running EVE Online, and all this through PSN. And on a platform new to CCP. Free high quality voicechat in customizable user created channels - easy to forget those theadnaughts, eh? Procedurally generated maps based on planetary characteristics, stars and ship brackets in their correct positions in the skybox. Integrating DUST merc's motivations into EVE is really like making a socio-economic-political RPG FPS lobby shooter - which CCP wants to turn into and open world military/economic simulation. There are a lot of technologies that CCP are pioneering in DUST and they all talk to each other and CREST. I'm sure there are big development houses out there who are looking at what CCP is attempting as just flat-out crazy, and not a few of them who would be afraid to take on the challenge that CCP has.
Yet they still can not for the life of them figure out core FPS game mechanics like balance, hit detection, aiming, and matchmaking. But hey who cares right, its not like this is a FPS or anything.
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Cinder Integ
Internal Error. League of Infamy
25
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Posted - 2013.07.12 12:16:00 -
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Many players have already legitimately finished the challenges. Took myself 14 hours of playtime, hearing anywhere from that to 20 for some. While you may see a few players boosting, there are so many more who are not. |
Zero Notion
Red Star Jr. EoN.
37
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Posted - 2013.07.12 12:27:00 -
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Quote:Yet they still can not for the life of them figure out core FPS game mechanics like balance, hit detection, aiming, and matchmaking. But hey who cares right, its not like this is a FPS or anything.
Blizzard has millions upon millions of dollars at its disposal. Every patch they release you can see changes made to the classes in order to finely tune the balance as players discover new ways to use the mechanics that cause unexpected results.
I would also hazard to guess that Blizzard also has a larger development team than what Dust has.
I would also hazard to guess that Blizzard would never allow World of Warcraft to be free.
Dust 514 is not going to be a 'static' game where it's shipped out like Call of Duty, Battlefield or other similar FPS games. Dust 514 is an MMOFPS. There are going to be periods of adjustments, errors and balances that are required. The development team is attempting to create something that, while requiring what you perceive to be 'basic' mechanics within an FPS, is also working within an entirely new substrate of game play.
I can understand that it is easy to find yourself growing bitter and jaded at what is perceived to be technical errors; the PS3 is notoriously difficult to work with, I believe you can find many developers attesting to this fact and yet here we have a product that may not be the most polished piece of game design created, it is something entirely new and unique to the world of FPS and MMO that you can enjoy entirely for free. |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
530
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Posted - 2013.07.12 12:33:00 -
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who cares?
if this is how they want to roll I don't really mind |
Robert JD Niewiadomski
NULLIMPEX INC
323
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Posted - 2013.07.12 12:38:00 -
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Have found some "raw meat" to chew if you'v not already tasted it: CPM Activity Report #3 - June 29, 2013 (by CSM0 Hans) http://hansshotfirst.blogspot.com/2013/06/cpm-activity-report-3-june-29-2013.html?spref=tw
One quote to give you impression of it's weight:
Quote:(...)The most important thing to share is that as of this meeting, its readily apparent now to the CPM that CCP is doubling down on Dust 514's success, investing more resources into bringing staff on board, focusing their direction, and iterating on the processes that have brought the game this far. Dust is clearly one of the company's major long term investments GÇô and despite the rough launch this year, CCP seems adamant on figuring out what they can do to open the pipeline wider GÇô both in terms of total content output, the timing of the updates, and most importantly GÇô communication.(...)
Bon appetit |
Zero Notion
Red Star Jr. EoN.
40
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Posted - 2013.07.12 12:42:00 -
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Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote:Have found some "raw meat" to chew if you'v not already tasted it: CPM Activity Report #3 - June 29, 2013 (by CSM0 Hans) http://hansshotfirst.blogspot.com/2013/06/cpm-activity-report-3-june-29-2013.html?spref=twOne quote to give you impression of it's weight: Quote:(...)The most important thing to share is that as of this meeting, its readily apparent now to the CPM that CCP is doubling down on Dust 514's success, investing more resources into bringing staff on board, focusing their direction, and iterating on the processes that have brought the game this far. Dust is clearly one of the company's major long term investments GÇô and despite the rough launch this year, CCP seems adamant on figuring out what they can do to open the pipeline wider GÇô both in terms of total content output, the timing of the updates, and most importantly GÇô communication.(...) Bon appetit
Excellent. I would really love to see the data they manage to collect from players in both Eve and Dust; the behavioral data must be very interesting to look at, Eve (and soon Dust) are the only games that I know which have such a high level of socio-economic meta-gaming. |
CHIPMINT BUTTERCUP
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
30
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:35:00 -
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Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote:Have found some "raw meat" to chew if you'v not already tasted it: CPM Activity Report #3 - June 29, 2013 (by CSM0 Hans) http://hansshotfirst.blogspot.com/2013/06/cpm-activity-report-3-june-29-2013.html?spref=twOne quote to give you impression of it's weight: Quote:(...)The most important thing to share is that as of this meeting, its readily apparent now to the CPM that CCP is doubling down on Dust 514's success, investing more resources into bringing staff on board, focusing their direction, and iterating on the processes that have brought the game this far. Dust is clearly one of the company's major long term investments GÇô and despite the rough launch this year, CCP seems adamant on figuring out what they can do to open the pipeline wider GÇô both in terms of total content output, the timing of the updates, and most importantly GÇô communication.(...) Bon appetit
CPM = Monkeys on a string.
They are there to appease the weak minded individuals and brain wash them into thinking that this game will be great someday, SoonGäó, in the timetable, on the Horizon.
Don't give me LOL tasks like hacking so many things in a given period. Give me real content deserving of my time, like new game modes and maps.
Don't even get me started on the LOL prizes. No free market yet so who cares about the free LOL gear.
Pfff what a waist of time and this Mordu's Challenge is. |
Oso Peresoso
RisingSuns
294
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:44:00 -
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Zero Notion wrote: Blizzard has millions upon millions of dollars at its disposal. Every patch they release you can see changes made to the classes in order to finely tune the balance as players discover new ways to use the mechanics that cause unexpected results.
Do not bring up Blizzard and WoW when talking about how balance should be done right. Blizzard doesn't even communicate with their players on the topic. |
steadyhand amarr
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
874
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:45:00 -
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There are so many ******** comments in thus thread I don't no which one to troll first :-( |
Zero Notion
Red Star Jr. EoN.
41
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:52:00 -
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Oso Peresoso wrote:Zero Notion wrote: Blizzard has millions upon millions of dollars at its disposal. Every patch they release you can see changes made to the classes in order to finely tune the balance as players discover new ways to use the mechanics that cause unexpected results.
Do not bring up Blizzard and WoW when talking about how balance should be done right. Blizzard doesn't even communicate with their players on the topic.
That wasn't the point; just that any game, even one as big and 'developed' as WoW, is constantly being re-balanced. Context. |
Zero Notion
Red Star Jr. EoN.
41
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Posted - 2013.07.12 14:55:00 -
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CHIPMINT BUTTERCUP wrote:Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote:Have found some "raw meat" to chew if you'v not already tasted it: CPM Activity Report #3 - June 29, 2013 (by CSM0 Hans) http://hansshotfirst.blogspot.com/2013/06/cpm-activity-report-3-june-29-2013.html?spref=twOne quote to give you impression of it's weight: Quote:(...)The most important thing to share is that as of this meeting, its readily apparent now to the CPM that CCP is doubling down on Dust 514's success, investing more resources into bringing staff on board, focusing their direction, and iterating on the processes that have brought the game this far. Dust is clearly one of the company's major long term investments GÇô and despite the rough launch this year, CCP seems adamant on figuring out what they can do to open the pipeline wider GÇô both in terms of total content output, the timing of the updates, and most importantly GÇô communication.(...) Bon appetit CPM = Monkeys on a string. They are there to appease the weak minded individuals and brain wash them into thinking that this game will be great someday, SoonGäó, in the timetable, on the Horizon. Don't give me LOL tasks like hacking so many things in a given period. Give me real content deserving of my time, like new game modes and maps. Don't even get me started on the LOL prizes. No free market yet so who cares about the free LOL gear. Pfff what a waist of time and this Mordu's Challenge is.
Sounds like you should play a different game.
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Anarchide
Greedy Bastards
258
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Posted - 2013.07.12 15:11:00 -
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...[whistles] That's a fine Waist of time you got there Ma'am! |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
3265
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Posted - 2013.07.12 15:17:00 -
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Gigatron Prime wrote:Scotty2Hottie6 wrote:Boosting is part of EVERY ONLINE game, deal with it Your attitude is disgusting and contributes nothing to this community. In fact, the majority of this community contribute nothing.
If you think that attitude is disgusting, wait until the politics and ponzi schemes come to DUST. Enjoy. |
Poplo Furuya
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
282
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Posted - 2013.07.12 15:27:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Gigatron Prime wrote:Scotty2Hottie6 wrote:Boosting is part of EVERY ONLINE game, deal with it Your attitude is disgusting and contributes nothing to this community. In fact, the majority of this community contribute nothing. If you think that attitude is disgusting, wait until the politics and ponzi schemes come to DUST. Enjoy. Better yet, step outside your door. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
3266
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Posted - 2013.07.12 16:00:00 -
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Zero Notion wrote:Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote:Have found some "raw meat" to chew if you'v not already tasted it: CPM Activity Report #3 - June 29, 2013 (by CSM0 Hans) http://hansshotfirst.blogspot.com/2013/06/cpm-activity-report-3-june-29-2013.html?spref=twOne quote to give you impression of it's weight: Quote:(...)The most important thing to share is that as of this meeting, its readily apparent now to the CPM that CCP is doubling down on Dust 514's success, investing more resources into bringing staff on board, focusing their direction, and iterating on the processes that have brought the game this far. Dust is clearly one of the company's major long term investments GÇô and despite the rough launch this year, CCP seems adamant on figuring out what they can do to open the pipeline wider GÇô both in terms of total content output, the timing of the updates, and most importantly GÇô communication.(...) Bon appetit Excellent. I would really love to see the data they manage to collect from players in both Eve and Dust; the behavioral data must be very interesting to look at, Eve (and soon Dust) are the only games that I know which have such a high level of socio-economic meta-gaming.
Hell, Eve Online has been used several times in a few college classes as part of a project on economics and social behaviors. |
Silas Swakhammer
GamersForChrist Orion Empire
52
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Posted - 2013.07.12 16:58:00 -
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Well, poop.
Do my vehicle hacks before the hacking rule change count towards the 100 successful hacks? |
whitewolf ghost
Stand Alone Clones
0
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Posted - 2013.07.12 19:05:00 -
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Well someone is seriously butt hurt by getting killed and losing their game. Get over it prime my guys were just testing something out to see if it worked. You can't blame them for that .mi, sure you have pulled the same stuff before at some point. Everyone has and if you claim you haven't your full of it. But hey thanks for the publicity prime |
Michael Cratar
Fenrir's Wolves RUST415
241
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Posted - 2013.07.12 19:28:00 -
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Gigatron Prime wrote:Scotty2Hottie6 wrote:Boosting is part of EVERY ONLINE game, deal with it Your attitude is disgusting and contributes nothing to this community. In fact, the majority of this community contribute nothing.
And you think posting on the forums is considered "contributing?"
That's adorable.
Keep on blameing the community for this games faults. It will fix everything. |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
2421
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Posted - 2013.07.12 19:30:00 -
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Vehicle hacks don't count for the hacking requirement, so they're wasting their time there.
There's unfortunately not much we can do if people want to farm kill each other like that. EVE Online/DUST 514 Community Representative GÇ+ EVE Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept
@CCP_Eterne GÇ+ @EVE_LiveEvents |
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Xocoyol Zaraoul
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
711
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Posted - 2013.07.12 19:34:00 -
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But for clarification, neutral turrets being destroyed do count if we see that "+100" pop up, right? |
whitewolf ghost
Stand Alone Clones
0
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Posted - 2013.07.12 20:09:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:Vehicle hacks don't count for the hacking requirement, so they're wasting their time there.
There's unfortunately not much we can do if people want to farm kill each other like that.
To be honest my corp has a rule we don't kill other corp members therefore his argument is invalid. Killing other corp members is ground for termination. Your wonderful informant as he seems to cry about other things in different forums has no bearing as he has totally misconstrued his facts. Thank you for the input on the hacks however it seems the lower end of the food chain trolls the forums to whine. Not everyone mind you but a few . Prime we will see you on the battlefield with your corp as we have smashed your corp and your sister corp before and we will continue to. |
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