I am posting here because you are thinking of my clan tag.

I have no other comment, because you already know it.

The counter to swarm tactics are explosives, and LLAV's with a gigantic shovel mounted on the front.

Pretty simple question guys, but ill elaborate more on what I mean. Back when Zipper interactive was releasing MAG the "revolutionary FPS" that featured 256 man battles, people got really hyped up for it. The overall chaos of this game was something people lived off of. However..... what a lot of people didn't recognize was the fact that "good" clans would always use "swarm" tactics. Swarm or "zerging" is the act of throwing so many people at one focal point that it just crushes and overwhelms defensive opposition.

To some people this is fun, but when you look at a game as deep as dust, you gotta say "well damn..... zerging pretty takes away all need for tactics huh?" and it does. Mindlessly following one order to "overwhelm a position" is a feet that's only truly possible once the player count has reached something I like to call "critical mass".

Critical mass meaning: The threshold in which once the game hits an X amount of players it becomes too zerg oriented.

The X variable in that definition is subject to player opinion, and so im asking you guys what you think about the topic.

Is 128 v 128 Too much for Dust????
What about 64 v 64?
32 v 32??

Does it not matter how many players are in this game?? Is the level of customization just sooooo deep that numbers wont matter?? or will numbers overshadow customization?? Because no matter how different your suit might be, you, as the player will still only be ONE player, and therefore you'll only be ONE of the MANY.

In my opinion 32 v 32 would be near perfect, possibly even 64 v 64, but past that the game starts to get excessive and I honestly don't think the PS3 could handle anything more then 32 v 32 anyway. I mean..... we don't even have 24 v 24 yet unfortunately. So what do you guys think??? I want to hear your opinions so if you read down to this far please feel free to post your opinion!!! (and if you feel super generous finger hump that like button cuz I like being a like *****)

Pretty simple question guys, but ill elaborate more on what I mean. Back when Zipper interactive was releasing MAG the "revolutionary FPS" that featured 256 man battles, people got really hyped up for it. The overall chaos of this game was something people lived off of. However..... what a lot of people didn't recognize was the fact that "good" clans would always use "swarm" tactics. Swarm or "zerging" is the act of throwing so many people at one focal point that it just crushes and overwhelms defensive opposition.

To some people this is fun, but when you look at a game as deep as dust, you gotta say "well damn..... zerging pretty takes away all need for tactics huh?" and it does. Mindlessly following one order to "overwhelm a position" is a feet that's only truly possible once the player count has reached something I like to call "critical mass".

Critical mass meaning: The threshold in which once the game hits an X amount of players it becomes too zerg oriented.

The X variable in that definition is subject to player opinion, and so im asking you guys what you think about the topic.

Is 128 v 128 Too much for Dust????
What about 64 v 64?
32 v 32??

Does it not matter how many players are in this game?? Is the level of customization just sooooo deep that numbers wont matter?? or will numbers overshadow customization?? Because no matter how different your suit might be, you, as the player will still only be ONE player, and therefore you'll only be ONE of the MANY.

In my opinion 32 v 32 would be near perfect, possibly even 64 v 64, but past that the game starts to get excessive and I honestly don't think the PS3 could handle anything more then 32 v 32 anyway. I mean..... we don't even have 24 v 24 yet unfortunately. So what do you guys think??? I want to hear your opinions so if you read down to this far please feel free to post your opinion!!! (and if you feel super generous finger hump that like button cuz I like being a like *****)

You do realize some (most? All?) ambush maps are all Zerg, all the time? ... Oddly, domination sometimes is, sometimes not so much.

As the game is right now, we can't do huge battles like MAG, because of the potential of Zerg tactics, but Dust will have something MAG didn't have, deploy able installations, like turrets and CRUs. Only problem is we haven't heard so much as a word about them, when ever we do get these things, chances are, well see an increase in match size.

As the game is right now, we can't do huge battles like MAG, because of the potential of Zerg tactics, but Dust will have something MAG didn't have, deploy able installations, like turrets and CRUs. Only problem is we haven't heard so much as a word about them, when ever we do get these things, chances are, well see an increase in match size.

do you mean an increase in map size?

And in MAG you got respec when you got to 3000 points but you didn't have to do it

You just reminded me, why hasn't CCP put some sort of respec feature in the game yet, probably cause of something about balance, would be nice though.

You just reminded me, why hasn't CCP put some sort of respec feature in the game yet, probably cause of something about balance, would be nice though.

Pretty simple question guys, but ill elaborate more on what I mean. Back when Zipper interactive was releasing MAG the "revolutionary FPS" that featured 256 man battles, people got really hyped up for it. The overall chaos of this game was something people lived off of. However..... what a lot of people didn't recognize was the fact that "good" clans would always use "swarm" tactics. Swarm or "zerging" is the act of throwing so many people at one focal point that it just crushes and overwhelms defensive opposition.

To some people this is fun, but when you look at a game as deep as dust, you gotta say "well damn..... zerging pretty takes away all need for tactics huh?" and it does. Mindlessly following one order to "overwhelm a position" is a feet that's only truly possible once the player count has reached something I like to call "critical mass".

Critical mass meaning: The threshold in which once the game hits an X amount of players it becomes too zerg oriented.

The X variable in that definition is subject to player opinion, and so im asking you guys what you think about the topic.

Is 128 v 128 Too much for Dust????
What about 64 v 64?
32 v 32??

Does it not matter how many players are in this game?? Is the level of customization just sooooo deep that numbers wont matter?? or will numbers overshadow customization?? Because no matter how different your suit might be, you, as the player will still only be ONE player, and therefore you'll only be ONE of the MANY.

In my opinion 32 v 32 would be near perfect, possibly even 64 v 64, but past that the game starts to get excessive and I honestly don't think the PS3 could handle anything more then 32 v 32 anyway. I mean..... we don't even have 24 v 24 yet unfortunately. So what do you guys think??? I want to hear your opinions so if you read down to this far please feel free to post your opinion!!! (and if you feel super generous finger hump that like button cuz I like being a like *****)

What if all 128 enemy players use Assault Mass Drivers?

That would not be fun

our systems might melt :\

I am posting here because you are thinking of my clan tag.

I have no other comment, because you already know it.

because a 32 man Caldari Logi fight would not fun

There are many reasons massed line armies are no longer used irl some of which apply to dust. Given equalstarting numbers the point is to manage force ratios better than ur opponent. 60v10 win on one end of the map can mean 10x losses where its 5v10 elsewhere... so did u really need to commit those 60or would 20 have worked? No... and a bettercommander will defeat the zerg. Delaying, tanks, ob mass drivers chokepoints... all things need tobe taken into account. Its all part of the fun.

domination in MAG was epic and i can only hope that DUST will have the same amount of epicness x1000 due to all the posibilities of fittings, deployable structures, vehicles, and just overall badassness. i cant belive a member if the infamous SVER wouldnt be in favor of 128v128 man battles.

these maps were very clearly designed for 32v32 or larger battles. The map that extends beyond the redzone is clearly designed for even more than that. Lets get that many people in a battle first before we start talking about zerging.

New content will help with certain aspects of larger fights... transport vehicles, jets, AA tanks, new orbitals, Orbital deployed equiptment...

When you get bigger you have to have the tools to manage it. Atm coms break down after about 30 people...
Commander rolls, multiple MCC's.... squad, team, platoons, company, brigades?

When your fighting larger numbers, the game has to match it...
I would LOVE to see a 64 v 64 domination match

Wait...... common sense???? WAHHHHHHHHH?????