My eyes burn from reading that lol. Anyways, I'm pretty sure that Autocannons has a faster ROF than blasters. Otherwise, good ideas. +1


Peace, Aizen

Really like the ideas you presented. But a few things could be added but I didn't fully read the document yet.
Different optics like hybrid sights for Assault rifles, Thundergun and Sniper rifles.
No full-auto pistols for sidearms if the SMG is now a light weapon?

Me like.

But the Rail Rifle should just have a really low RoF. Like the breach AR RoF.

And the Gallante AI heavy weapon could be like a toned down small turret.

That's what they plan on doing actually. Long range breach PR.

Me like.

But the Rail Rifle should just have a really low RoF. Like the breach AR RoF.

And the Gallante AI heavy weapon could be like a toned down small turret.

As for your AV weapon ideas, I like them Way better than the current ones.

I planned on the Rail Rifle being semi-auto, and sort of similar to the DMR in halo 4. Not sure if I explained that clearly, will check it out and see. Thanks for bringing it up.

As for the Gallente Heavy Machine Gun, I figured it would be a plasma version of the current HMG, as that sticks with their high close range damage output, while still adding a bit of variety. Do you mean that you would like it to be like the current iteration of small vehicle turrets, or that small vehicle turrets should be like the way I described the gun?

Thanks for the response, and I will look into it.

Hmm, I was thinking that the racial ARs would preform like, and therefore have similar usages as the current AR

But if that is what your going for, that role fits the Caldari better the the Amarr.

I mean the visual of the Gallente AI heavy. Having two Gatling style weapons on the battlefield could confuse people about what their facing.

The heavy repeating blaster is a nice idea, while slightly overused in Sci Fi games and the like, it's the mechanics of controlling land that makes DUST unique, not the guns.

(after first 4 slides)

Bullet speeds: This would actually make sniping soooo much easier.
Dispersion/Recoil: A weapon that needs no skill doesn't deserve to be in an FPS! This would give weapons more of a skill factor.

Loving the read so far.

if its going to be all text, the slideshow might not be the best format.

(after first 4 slides)

Bullet speeds: This would actually make sniping soooo much easier.
Dispersion/Recoil: A weapon that needs no skill doesn't deserve to be in an FPS! This would give weapons more of a skill factor.

Loving the read so far.

Yep, so long as Alpha Strike gets a Buff.

If it takes 3-8 Bullets (Out of the AR category) to kill, which I think Duster factored in with the Overhaul, then that one or two shoots that land before getting off target need to count.

if its going to be all text, the slideshow might not be the best format.

When I mean Alpha Damage, I mean the Damage one bullet does.

Currently, the weapon with the highest Alpha strike in game is the Forge/Plasma Launcher

Yeah, TTK is a Little bit high in DUST.

But if People die faster, then they are going to want Less expensive Suits, so their Repeated deaths won't break the Bank

Better put that in the Dropsuit Edition.

You going to be going be talking about balancing current drop suits or talking about new ones in the dropsuit edition?

Yeah, Tracking Shooters usually come down to how has

A. The Better Gun

B. The Longest Time on target.

And Since most shooters don't have "Levels" of Weapons, It makes those with Protosuits and Protoguns Practically Invicible in the Eyes of a STD User.

Lower TTK usually makes games based of who has more skill.

That's why 1337 CoD Shooter Montages are So popular in Youtube.

It is just much more based on skill then Halo.

But Halo is Super fun, all the same

Mostly about balancing current versions, but also talking slightly about new ones (but by new ones I do not mean things like pilot or commando, only about rounding out the lineup so there is a light option for every race, etc.)

I may be a dreamer, but I say a perfect compromise is possible! It just needs a bit of imagination and a lot of iteration.

Indeed.

Dreamer you are.

that vid gave me hope o.o

Haha, I don't mean to be rude to the guys at ccp, but that gameplay looks better than what we have now.

Meh, Its CG Bro.

And, if My latest experiment that I want CCP to do, works out, you Uni guys will always have Air Support!

If you don't know what I want CCP to do, Look in the GD for Me!

I'm on the 1st page, so... Yeah.

Which bits?

I Don't remember any parts of the Vid being from to '12 Keynote...

Ha, thanks.

Yeah, in EVE autocannons do have a faster rate of fire. I just thought that for Dust gameplay, it would make more sense for blasters to.

Thanks for the feedback.

Blasters Are The fastes RoF weapons in EvE online, second come autocannons. This I know as an eve player for 3 years.

What do you guys think about my slide about tiericide? Figured when I wrote it that it would probably be the most controversial.

It looks as though you've just wasted a lot of your own time to be honest. CCP aren't going to make this many huge changes just because of a well presented slideshow with a few pages of feedback. There is simply too much information and too much to digest that it all becomes a blur and gets lots.

My suggestion is to create separate presentations outlining the different segments you have but make them much more concise. I don't even know what feedback to give other than this.

I really like the ideas for modularity (although they seem a little standardised) and the different variants having specified bonuses for tac, breach and standard.

Thanks for your feedback. Honestly, I do not really have any delusions of any of this stuff making it into the game. I of course have hopes that CCP will read this, and apply some of it, as they have built a reputation (with me at least) of listening to the EVE community, but am not betting on it. However, whether this makes it into the game or not, I am still going to continue typing it up, as I have a passion for Dust and wish to see it succeed. And when it does, I will be there 10 years down the line, and will be able to say that "I was there, and that feature is thanks to some feedback I provided".

Thanks for your feedback.

*sniffle* that... that wuz beautiful man

Looking back at the Sniper rifles, why has the Calardi sniper a bolt-action rifle and not a semi-auto if it fires at a high rate for the sniper rifles? Perhaps a Barrett 50 cal variant?
Also for Gallente shotgun you said "Highest rate of fire" twice.

Good slideshow, DusterBuster, I liked a lot of the ideas. But I was a little confused when you mentioned the mass driver. Are you suggesting that it should be removed or did I read it wrong?

Not removed no, just changed a little bit. Firstly, it would become the specialty weapon for the minmatar (and in this slideshow I gave it a name change). Secondly, it's mechanics would be altered to fit in with other rocket weapons ( which can bounce around corners, and can hold a larger magazine, but do less damage than the caldari missile counterparts.)

I believe that the mass driver can be a great addition to dust gameplay. At this point in time though, it is too much of a cookie-cutter grenade launcher, and it needs to be given some eve flavor .

Thanks for your feedback.

Will the projectile still go through the air in an arc?

Yeah, it's specialty is to force people out of cover, so it will travel in an arc (to be able to fire over barricades), and have the ability to shoot around corners.

DusterBuster for the amount of work you yourself put into this, CCP would be fools to not even read what you put together.

I think they will read your post and what you worked on, I would hope they would at least recognize the hard work and passion you put into it, as you deserve to be at least recognized for your efforts.

I wonGÇÖt say GÇ£what ifGÇ¥, as CCP should read what you worked so hard to put together for them.

CCP please donGÇÖt let down someone who cares about and trusts you, as DusterBuster deserves better.

For what it's worth, I recognize your work and thank you for trying to make Dust 514 a better game.

DusterBuster for the amount of work you yourself put into this, CCP would be fools to not even read what you put together.

I think they will read your post and what you worked on, I would hope they would at least recognize the hard work and passion you put into it, as you deserve to be at least recognized for your efforts.

I wonGÇÖt say GÇ£what ifGÇ¥, as CCP should read what you worked so hard to put together for them.

CCP please donGÇÖt let down someone who cares about and trusts you, as DusterBuster deserves better.

For what it's worth, I recognize your work and thank you for trying to make Dust 514 a better game.

A++
I haven't read past the graph mostly because I'm tired and things started to get a bit blurry, but everything up to that point looks great. Everything you described honestly should have been in the game at launch . I give CCP some slack for Dust being their first fps, the ground they broke with the Dust/Eve connection, and their future vision for the game, but I think it would really behoove them to read at least the slide on aiming and give your input some serious thought over the course of the next couple of updates. We're suppose to be getting aiming fixes in the next update. If they turn out to be crap I'll probably be back here bumping this thread.

This is in my favs so I'll be bumping it regardless :P

Bamp for CPM/ CCP post!

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These are great ideas!

This Presentation is a great idea, CCP get some of these idea roling especially the aiming part!

Yeah, I want the reworking of the weapons roles, and the Tiericide.

When the EVE open market comes, how will we be able to tell the difference in the blueprints materials?

With T1 and T2, EVE materials will be interchangeable with DUSTs materials.

And having T1 and T2 would help alleviate Protostomping, as its cost in morphite would make it really expensive, and the difference between T1 and T2 would just be in roles, not just better in everything.

Yeah, I see that the T2 sniper would have less sway, and the T2 SMG would have less hip fire dispersion, and so on.

T2 would make the weapon easier to handle and the like, not just better with DPS and all that other stuff.

It wouldn't be a crutch, but its ease of use coupled with good player skill would make the user more efficient.

Cant understand how you are going to have a scout without a sniper rifle - that is just an archetype

If you want a medium category then I would suggest swarm launcher and plasma cannon, maybe mass driver and some yet developed weapons.

Sniper Rifle maybe could be one but as I already said, you cant take it from that class. There is also no reason why if you can wield a shotgun you can wield an AR.

How are you going to leave all light suits and logis without the ability to fight at range????

The amount of work and thought you've put into this is pretty awesome.


I will see to it that these threads are shoved into the appropriate faces :)

You bring up very good points, and I will do my best to explain my reasoning to you. Keep in mind that I have not posted my drop suit section yet, but I am not going to use that as an excuse.

As ar as the sniper rifles go, I agree with you. I have looked at dust gameplay some more, and agree that it should probably be a light weapon. I will change it in the presentation tomorrow.

The SMG is also going to undergo an overhaul, and will be a much more powerful primary weapon, and also have greater range than they do now. I imagine the operation being similar to that in planetside 2.

As far as a logi not having a long range weapon - well that is the point. A logi should not be very capable at long range. Instead, they should primarily be focused on healing, and only use their weapon as defense when an enemy gets too close. The same goes for scouts. They should be given special abilities in order to get in close.

Thanks for your criticism, and I hope I adequately explained my reasoning.

The amount of work and thought you've put into this is pretty awesome.


I will see to it that these threads are shoved into the appropriate faces :)

Duster!

Mission Accomplished, high five!

I do agree on the logi point though it could be an issue say with a logi that "tethers" to an HMG wielding heavy.

I await your dropsuit suggestions - keep up the good work.

Cant understand how you are going to have a scout without a sniper rifle - that is just an archetype

If you want a medium category then I would suggest swarm launcher and plasma cannon, maybe mass driver and some yet developed weapons.

Sniper Rifle maybe could be one but as I already said, you cant take it from that class. There is also no reason why if you can wield a shotgun you can wield an AR.

How are you going to leave all light suits and logis without the ability to fight at range????

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`Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST.

Great work...first time I've seen this.

I like the AV items and the full slate of racial weapons concepts. I appreciate your time on this and hopefully the Devs take a look and it generates some ideas for them.

Cheers, brother.