The latest PC dev blog clearly shows that very few people actually care about losing isk - many teams apparently go deeply negative on isk in efforts to win a PC match.

I see people in every single pub game running proto suits with proto weapons dying 5 or more times - this would cost them hundreds of thousands of isk a match.

One of the main reasons is that CCP flooded the market with isk when they liquidated our assets months ago but this was months ago and you'd think this would all be drying up by now...

Personally I only run advanced gear in pub games and pretty much always make a profit, earning around 15-20 million isk over the past month.

So my question is: who else out there actually keeps an eye on their profit/loss ratio when playing?

The latest PC dev blog clearly shows that very few people actually care about losing isk - many teams apparently go deeply negative on isk in efforts to win a PC match.

I see people in every single pub game running proto suits with proto weapons dying 5 or more times - this would cost them hundreds of thousands of isk a match.

One of the main reasons is that CCP flooded the market with isk when they liquidated our assets months ago but this was months ago and you'd think this would all be drying up by now...

Personally I only run advanced gear in pub games and pretty much always make a profit, earning around 15-20 million isk over the past month.

So my question is: who else out there actually keeps an eye on their profit/loss ratio when playing?

The latest PC dev blog clearly shows that very few people actually care about losing isk - many teams apparently go deeply negative on isk in efforts to win a PC match.

I see people in every single pub game running proto suits with proto weapons dying 5 or more times - this would cost them hundreds of thousands of isk a match.

One of the main reasons is that CCP flooded the market with isk when they liquidated our assets months ago but this was months ago and you'd think this would all be drying up by now...

Personally I only run advanced gear in pub games and pretty much always make a profit, earning around 15-20 million isk over the past month.

So my question is: who else out there actually keeps an eye on their profit/loss ratio when playing?

i have 139mil on this char and more on others.. still havent spent all from when they sold our salvage. if ppl are in proto then maybe you should be in it yourself. that's like going to a battlefield/cod match and telling them to remove all their scopes and grips because you dont yet have one

the problem isn't that we don't play the risk versus loses game, it's that we don't have enough to spend our isk on to do that.

this is how I look at it.

I play 150 games a week or so. at the end of this period of time I will likely have 65 games with zero deaths, and 60 or so games with 1 death.

my fit currently weighs in at 96k.

giving me a net profit of about 20 mil, let's say the rest of my games are loses I still will likely break out even in the end.


give us the gear to spend millions of isk on those fits, and you'll see people start to go broke.

i have 139mil on this char and more on others.. still havent spent all from when they sold our salvage. if ppl are in proto then maybe you should be in it yourself. that's like going to a battlefield/cod match and telling them to remove all their scopes and grips because you dont yet have one

who said anything about removing anything or telling anyone to not use something.. he asked if anyone else cares about thier profit margins, or do you just burn holes through your liquidated assets isk and corp isk.


To OP, I always try to make sure to run a profitable game. even if it is only a 10k profit, If I see myself about to redline my cost vs profit I go with 100% free suits for rest of game. As for PC , they make so much money when not being attacked and having lots of members funding PC that they can proto all day in PC without a sweat

the problem isn't that we don't play the risk versus loses game, it's that we don't have enough to spend our isk on to do that.

this is how I look at it.

I play 150 games a week or so. at the end of this period of time I will likely have 65 games with zero deaths, and 60 or so games with 1 death.

my fit currently weighs in at 96k.

giving me a net profit of about 20 mil, let's say the rest of my games are loses I still will likely break out even in the end.


give us the gear to spend millions of isk on those fits, and you'll see people start to go broke.

Very few members generally see any of the isk generated from clone sales in PC... just fyi.

For most, participating in PC puts you at a net loss most games... I know it does for me.

I don't mean the pub stomping only guys, the guys who actually do the battling for PC. I know I wouldn't be doing any of the battling if I didn't egt a piece of the action. As far as I knew most corps funded thier A-teams for corporate wars.

If your not getting a slice of the pie from your PC matches( or atleast corp donations for PC matches), why do you even do it?

The payout at the end of the game covers most of the loss, I make up the rest of it through profit from pub matches.

This game isn't about hoarding isk, its about having fun. PC matches are the most action packed and memorable games i'll probably ever have from Dust.

Why do I do it? Cause its FUN!

So my question is: who else out there actually keeps an eye on their profit/loss ratio when playing?

I was never able to make money until I started following the Risk/Reward strategy. As a logi, I don't make anywhere near as much cheddar as an assault or pilot does. Rode with a tanker the other day and made over 500k. Compare that to my typical 160 - 240k as a logi, going 4/1 and 10/3. Maybe if we logi's actually got a payout based on how much ISK we have saved our team... Then I could be more frivolous with my fits in pub matches. Until then, I'll usually save the big guns for FW and PC.

It's difficult to run a risk vs reward idea with my tanks. If I only called in tanks until I couldn't recoup the losses from 1 match, I'd never call one out. It turns into a gamble on how many matches I can go without seeing proto AV or a well coordinated team.

If I wanted best risk for reward I would (and do) run starter fits for a few rounds to cover a tank or two, then use them till they blow. Rinse, repeat.

The latest PC dev blog clearly shows that very few people actually care about losing isk - many teams apparently go deeply negative on isk in efforts to win a PC match.

I see people in every single pub game running proto suits with proto weapons dying 5 or more times - this would cost them hundreds of thousands of isk a match.

One of the main reasons is that CCP flooded the market with isk when they liquidated our assets months ago but this was months ago and you'd think this would all be drying up by now...

Personally I only run advanced gear in pub games and pretty much always make a profit, earning around 15-20 million isk over the past month.

So my question is: who else out there actually keeps an eye on their profit/loss ratio when playing?

This game isn't about hoarding isk, its about having fun.

You just blew every EVE player's mind with that.