Attack my own district for 30 mil with alt corporation.

Win battle, take half the clones from the "enemy" side and sell them.

Stay safe for two days because no one can attack me, continue to sell clones being auto-generated, break even.

Attack my district again, continue to stay safe.

Am I wrong here?

Min 150 clone loss so the defending district wouldn't get any clones from an alt gen pack attack. The district also stays under attack for 24 to 48 hours in which clones can't be moved in or out. Also, after the gen pack attack loses the district become attackable by anyone. There isn't a restriction on who can attack after a failed attack the timer will just be set to 47 hours later if you were to attack right after the failed gen pack.

In theory you could self attack to lock down a production facility, but you wouldn't be able to do much else with it. At best you would break even.

Hmmm...breaking even or losing a few mil cumulatively is indeed problematic.
Maybe introduce some kind of lottery system where all bids to attack a locked district are counted for the first few hours and then the winner selected at random. It would still be possible to lock via Zerging bids in alt corps but is far less reliable.

Anyone caught locking is liable to bring wrath down upon their heads anyways.
Fear makes districts delicious, I hear.

If I had a say in the hour of power bidding whoever sends the most amount of clones to attack the district earns the right, this would lock out alt corps and induce massive losses in order to self preserve.

If I had a say in the hour of power bidding whoever sends the most amount of clones to attack the district earns the right, this would lock out alt corps and induce massive losses in order to self preserve.

Attack my own district for 30 mil with alt corporation.

Win battle, take half the clones from the "enemy" side and sell them.

Stay safe for two days because no one can attack me, continue to sell clones being auto-generated, break even.

Attack my district again, continue to stay safe.

Am I wrong here?

Automatic Clone Loss for losing happens first, what is left over is then stolen and or killed off.

If I had a say in the hour of power bidding whoever sends the most amount of clones to attack the district earns the right, this would lock out alt corps and induce massive losses in order to self preserve.

With those numbers you can actually make money by self-locking your districts. But it will be boring to do.

Here's how it goes.

Status : District A mother corp. 300/300clones.
Attack by alt corp : 30 Million.
Status : District A locked
Day 1 : RT, no fights. 80 clones produced || Auto-sell : 12M
Day 2 : RT, 80 clones produced || Auto-sell : 12M
Day 2, Fight happens during the RT : Alt corps fields at least one player with BPO crap stuff and suicides all the genopack clones. Mother corp fields one player as well. Fight reward : 15M

End of cycle : ISK result = 12+12+15-30 = 9 Million. Add another 6 million if the district is a production facility.

Start again.

So yeah you can lock your districts and make them earn you 15 millions every 2 day without risk if you have a production facility. I dont know how i missed the part about how suiciding the clones in the pack could turn the balance.

The simplest solution would be to raise price of clone packs to 40 millions. Then, it would only be 5 Millions for a prod facility and a loss for any other district type. But even then, if you can lock your district for even a very little ISK loss, then people will do it.

After all, a suicide party with friends every 2 days sounds quite fun

You really need to bracket this info.

Using this amount of time and manpower you could earn way way more money just grinding pup matches and prob make more money in a shorter amount of time.

Please do that math on that someone so we can compare

If I had a say in the hour of power bidding whoever sends the most amount of clones to attack the district earns the right, this would lock out alt corps and induce massive losses in order to self preserve.

That you can make a small profit from this isn't the problem here the way I see it.

The problem is rather that you can lock as many of your own districts as you will without any significant ISK loss (in this case, it's even a profit doing this). This means that if you for example hold 50 districts, but you only have the manpower to defend 10 of them you can then lock the other 40 with an alt corp.

That's the problem with this in my opinion.

Yeah but to what ends? not your micro managing 40 alt corps and having to do all the money transfers to 40 alt corps while fielding full teams inorder to not bleed cash

lets say you had 20 districts

you lock all of them with 20 alt corps attacks

thats 600milion. now your losses are gonna be 600 million of those clones. Now you have to field guys for 20 district matches every 2 days and you have to have troops in those matches enough to make the defender win them every time.

so now you have your DIR shuffling money to your 20 alt corps, loging them in after every PC battle to relanch the attack, that means someone has to log on to that account just to do that, 20xtimes and the defenders have to field players for those matches to recoupe losses, so now you have all this work happening like a bunch of busy bees. and what is your reward out of this? a huge net loss of isk! because if you field players in those battles on both sides 16v16 or just the attacker side to suicide clones for a good 30 mins or so not to mention all the people who have to log on to accomplish it. They multiple accounts you would have to run.

Its like everyone in India throwing a stone to build a mountain that does nothing but avalanche on them.

I cant even think of how many people you would need to sustain this for any length of time unless I'm missing something.

not that there is much point in owning districts right now anyway. ISK? what do you need it for? well to fight more PC? why? well because I need ISK? why? to fight more PC?........

You only need one corp for this, as any corp can buy as many clone packs as they will.

And the amount of districts was just an example. You can also do this to just lock a couple of districts etc. But let's use your example of 20 districts. Yeah, you need 600m ISK every two days to launch all these attacks, but the 20 districts will make 480m ISK over those two days. On top of that you'll get 15m ISK in ISK reward for winning the battles against your alt corp.

So you can lock as many districts as you want without any significant ISK loss. In this case it's even a profit doing this.

Btw, don't you get the ISK reward if no clones are killed? It's been a while since I played a PC match, so I can't really remember. If you do, you just need one guy on the defending side to cap the objectives and grab the 15m ISK in rewards.

You really need to bracket this info.

Using this amount of time and manpower you could earn way way more money just grinding pup matches and prob make more money in a shorter amount of time.

Please do that math on that someone so we can compare

I've been paid for winning a PC battle without any opposition showing up to fight. So no the clones do not have to be destroyed in battle for the winners to receive ISK.

True, happened to me as well. but payout was not as high.

True, happened to me as well. but payout was not as high.

Because in actual matches you also get 80k ISK for each clone your own team lost, so in no-show matches you get less because you don't lose any clones yourself.

They would have to kill at least one clone or the system will have the auto-battle right after since there will still be 100 left.

They would have to kill at least one clone or the system will have the auto-battle right after since there will still be 100 left.

Nope, because the attackers (the alt corp) are the ones losing, and thus losing those 100 clones.

Edit: 2-Ton, I'm pretty sure it does. 150 clones are always "killed" (in this case it's only 100), so you will always get ISK for 150 clones (100 in this case).

Where you attacking or the defender?

I believe that if your the defender and you blow up the enemy attacker MCC with no clones killed on the attacker side you dont get any biomass reward. can someone confirm?

if you don't that makes it a lot more tedious to alt corp yourself as then every battle you need players to suicide 100 clones every 2 days.

I have checked!!

Lose the attack

If the attacker loses the battle several things happen:

The Minimum clone loss is taken into account.
If there are any remaining clones:
50% of them are given to the defender.
50% are destroyed.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Planetary_Conquest#Minimum_clone_loss

so you will get 0 ISK. as the minimum is already 150 and as you only brought 100 you get no clones.

You get no clones, but it doesn't say anything about ISK.

The winning team always get ISK for 150 clones. With the new pack of only 100 clones, the winning team will get ISK for 100 clones, if the other team is using one of these packs.

Geno is paying for "biomass".

Basically they reprocess your corpse into goo and use it to make..... stuff.

Or just log onto an eve character, take your exhumer out and earn 50 mil a day.

Much easier.

How can they reprocess the goo when the MCC is vaporized?

Because it's not vaporized. It explodes.