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Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 799	Posted - 2013.07.10 09:45:00 - [31] - Quote So.... would like to hear what the Blue's have to say here.
Canari Elphus Pro Hic Immortalis League of Infamy 172	Posted - 2013.07.10 09:53:00 - [32] - Quote I think that the ambush scenario for multiple attacks within X hours is the best solutions and makes the most sense RP wise as well. - They arent fighting over the district so doing skirmish wouldnt make sense - Its two armies running into each other on the way to their target - It would reduce the amount of clones that an attacker has that will get to the district - It favors the corp that moves clones from a district rather than the one that buys a pack - It adds some variety to PC matches I agree that the system proposed is broken and would help to ruin the game. Even if the tactic makes little money for the defender corp it will eventually burn them out due to the sheer effort needed to keep at it and everyone else will be frustrated enough that they wont bother with PC. Everybody loses.
Canari Elphus Pro Hic Immortalis League of Infamy 172	Posted - 2013.07.10 09:55:00 - [33] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Another Heavy SOB wrote: I've been paid for winning a PC battle without any opposition showing up to fight. So no the clones do not have to be destroyed in battle for the winners to receive ISK. True, happened to me as well. but payout was not as high. Because in actual matches you also get 80k ISK for each clone your own team lost, so in no-show matches you get less because you don't lose any clones yourself. They would have to kill at least one clone or the system will have the auto-battle right after since there will still be 100 left.
2-Ton Twenty-One Internal Error. League of Infamy 695	Posted - 2013.07.10 10:04:00 - [34] - Quote Canari Elphus wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Another Heavy SOB wrote: I've been paid for winning a PC battle without any opposition showing up to fight. So no the clones do not have to be destroyed in battle for the winners to receive ISK. True, happened to me as well. but payout was not as high. Because in actual matches you also get 80k ISK for each clone your own team lost, so in no-show matches you get less because you don't lose any clones yourself. They would have to kill at least one clone or the system will have the auto-battle right after since there will still be 100 left. MCC destruction kills all the clones, after the fight. MCC distruction is 150 clone loss. However MCC destruction clone loss is not paid out I believe to the defender.
Bendtner92 Internal Error. League of Infamy 706	Posted - 2013.07.10 10:05:00 - [35] - Quote Canari Elphus wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Another Heavy SOB wrote: I've been paid for winning a PC battle without any opposition showing up to fight. So no the clones do not have to be destroyed in battle for the winners to receive ISK. True, happened to me as well. but payout was not as high. Because in actual matches you also get 80k ISK for each clone your own team lost, so in no-show matches you get less because you don't lose any clones yourself. They would have to kill at least one clone or the system will have the auto-battle right after since there will still be 100 left. Nope, because the attackers (the alt corp) are the ones losing, and thus losing those 100 clones.
2-Ton Twenty-One Internal Error. League of Infamy 695	Posted - 2013.07.10 10:12:00 - [36] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Canari Elphus wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Another Heavy SOB wrote: I've been paid for winning a PC battle without any opposition showing up to fight. So no the clones do not have to be destroyed in battle for the winners to receive ISK. True, happened to me as well. but payout was not as high. Because in actual matches you also get 80k ISK for each clone your own team lost, so in no-show matches you get less because you don't lose any clones yourself. They would have to kill at least one clone or the system will have the auto-battle right after since there will still be 100 left. Nope, because the attackers (the alt corp) are the ones losing, and thus losing those 100 clones. Edit: 2-Ton, I'm pretty sure it does. 150 clones are always "killed" (in this case it's only 100), so you will always get ISK for 150 clones (100 in this case). I don't know I always thought it only counted clones killed on the ground not MMC distruction clone deaths. Maybe the simple answer here is to make it so the defender does not get clone payout for MMC clone kills if that is not the case. can we get a confirm on this either way?
Another Heavy SOB TRUE TEA BAGGERS EoN. 299	Posted - 2013.07.10 10:17:00 - [37] - Quote 2-Ton Twenty-One wrote: Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Another Heavy SOB wrote: I've been paid for winning a PC battle without any opposition showing up to fight. So no the clones do not have to be destroyed in battle for the winners to receive ISK. True, happened to me as well. but payout was not as high. Where you attacking or the defender? I believe that if your the defender and you blow up the enemy attacker MCC with no clones killed on the attacker side you dont get any biomass reward. can someone confirm? if you don't that makes it a lot more tedious to alt corp yourself as then every battle you need players to suicide 100 clones every 2 days. I was attacking, I've never had a an attacking team no show so I cannot confirm if it works both ways.
2-Ton Twenty-One Internal Error. League of Infamy 695	Posted - 2013.07.10 10:18:00 - [38] - Quote I have checked!! Lose the attack If the attacker loses the battle several things happen: The Minimum clone loss is taken into account. If there are any remaining clones: 50% of them are given to the defender. 50% are destroyed. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Planetary_Conquest#Minimum_clone_loss so you will get 0 ISK. as the minimum is already 150 and as you only brought 100 you get no clones. Also this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5QGkOGZubQ :)
Bendtner92 Internal Error. League of Infamy 707	Posted - 2013.07.10 10:20:00 - [39] - Quote 2-Ton Twenty-One wrote: I have checked!! Lose the attack If the attacker loses the battle several things happen: The Minimum clone loss is taken into account. If there are any remaining clones: 50% of them are given to the defender. 50% are destroyed. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Planetary_Conquest#Minimum_clone_loss so you will get 0 ISK. as the minimum is already 150 and as you only brought 100 you get no clones. You get no clones, but it doesn't say anything about ISK. The winning team always get ISK for 150 clones. With the new pack of only 100 clones, the winning team will get ISK for 100 clones, if the other team is using one of these packs.
Canari Elphus Pro Hic Immortalis League of Infamy 173	Posted - 2013.07.10 10:32:00 - [40] - Quote Ah, I stand corrected. I blame it being early in the morning and no coffee. I dont think whether its profitable or not to self-attack will make much difference. If a corp is being run out of PC and wants to stay then they will use every bit of ISK that they have to self-attack until either they are broke or their enemy leaves in utter frustration. CCP is relying on PC to be a major factor in the viability of this game moving forward. In a worst case scenario, this new mechanic will make PC such an annoyance that nobody will want to bother with it.

2-Ton Twenty-One Internal Error. League of Infamy 697	Posted - 2013.07.10 10:33:00 - [41] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: You get no clones, but it doesn't say anything about ISK. The winning team always get ISK for 150 clones. With the new pack of only 100 clones, the winning team will get ISK for 100 clones, if the other team is using one of these packs. Edited with new info. you will get 15 mil isk and thats stupid. The Genovolution reward should probably be changed to clones killed in the field not in the MCC or remove it entirely, why is Geno paying you for dead clones anyway? I do like IWS attacker vs attacker option as well. some sort of ambush map or just whoever sends the most clones. But changes are def needed for this new PC update. It makes sense that Geno would give favor to the highest clone delivery.
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 799	Posted - 2013.07.10 11:23:00 - [42] - Quote Geno is paying for "biomass". Basically they reprocess your corpse into goo and use it to make..... stuff.
2-Ton Twenty-One Internal Error. League of Infamy 699	Posted - 2013.07.10 22:43:00 - [43] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Geno is paying for "biomass". Basically they reprocess your corpse into goo and use it to make..... stuff. How can they reprocess the goo when the MCC is vaporized?
Knightshade Belladonna Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 598	Posted - 2013.07.10 22:51:00 - [44] - Quote Sometimes you like em, sometimes you hate.. but damn do I like you number crunchers today! This could potentially have become a huuuuge problem, and ccp may have even stepped in and took tons of isk from those abusing it as such.. so if you were thinking of already doing this, be glad it was put out publicly now
Knightshade Belladonna Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 598	Posted - 2013.07.10 22:53:00 - [45] - Quote Dr Allopathy wrote: Or just log onto an eve character, take your exhumer out and earn 50 mil a day. Much easier. because you can't have your miners isk? yet
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 807	Posted - 2013.07.10 23:32:00 - [46] - Quote 2-Ton Twenty-One wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Geno is paying for "biomass". Basically they reprocess your corpse into goo and use it to make..... stuff. How can they reprocess the goo when the MCC is vaporized? Because it's not vaporized. It explodes.
CHIPMINT BUTTERCUP KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 19	Posted - 2013.07.10 23:37:00 - [47] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: 2-Ton Twenty-One wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Geno is paying for "biomass". Basically they reprocess your corpse into goo and use it to make..... stuff. How can they reprocess the goo when the MCC is vaporized? Because it's not vaporized. It explodes. Because its a fu*cking video game and anything can happen in make believe, WTF.


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