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LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.07 11:16:00 -
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For fun, I ran about 10 or so pub matches with two Militia Scrambler Pistols on a Militia Caldari medium frame.
My reaction was that of genuine fun. Laying out Heavies with 3 to 4 shots to the head is even more satisfying than blasting someone away from across the map with my FG.
I now am considering running an ADV medium suit with dual ADV Scrambler Pistols as my main fitting. Once I build up enough skill points, I will put my HMG/FG Heavy on hiatus. With that said, what are your thoughts on the SP? My opinion?
SP > SMG/Flaylock/AR
(The badassery of the reloading animation also adds to its appeal.) |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
801
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Posted - 2013.07.07 11:19:00 -
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Its such a damn good weapon, I find the clip size too small to count on it as a primary weapon but as a quick switch hold out to save your ass against one enemy or finish off a couple wounded ones its amazing |
Dust Project 514
Dust Evo 514
95
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Posted - 2013.07.07 11:21:00 -
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Hah. Welcome to the darkside, young padawan. For our headshot skills are second to NONE! |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
162
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Posted - 2013.07.07 11:23:00 -
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Back in Chromosome I used to run a scout with dual scrambler pistols, was so much fun. Sadly now with the introduction of the Commando suit I have abandoned the scrambler pistols. With 2 light weapon slots I have been running around with the scrambler rifle and used the second as an excuse to carry a laser rifle. If only there were a suit with 2 light weapons and 1 sidearm. |
Dust Project 514
Dust Evo 514
95
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Posted - 2013.07.07 11:23:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Its such a damn good weapon, I find the clip size too small to count on it as a primary weapon but as a quick switch hold out to save your ass against one enemy or finish off a couple wounded ones its amazing
Lv5 Op + Lv5 Minmatar Assault = several thousand dmg potential in one clip. Forge Gunners be jealous. |
LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
78
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Posted - 2013.07.07 11:25:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Its such a damn good weapon, I find the clip size too small to count on it as a primary weapon but as a quick switch hold out to save your ass against one enemy or finish off a couple wounded ones its amazing You're absolutely right about it being a damn good weapon. The militia variant showed me great promise and I can only expect better things from the STD and ADV versions. I also agree on the clip size, but running dual Scrambler Pistols with the new improved weapon change speeds seems to work just fine if you can find cover to do some quick reloads in between firing. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
801
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Posted - 2013.07.07 11:25:00 -
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Dust Project 514 wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Its such a damn good weapon, I find the clip size too small to count on it as a primary weapon but as a quick switch hold out to save your ass against one enemy or finish off a couple wounded ones its amazing Lv5 Op + Lv 5 Minmatar Assault = several thousand dmg potential in one clip. Forge Gunners be jealous.
Psh Minmatar, its lacks the slick 80s veneer of the Caldari |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
162
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Posted - 2013.07.07 11:30:00 -
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Back when I ran dual scrambler pistols I found that it was the ammo capacity holding it back from being a true primary weapon, not the clip size. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
2257
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Posted - 2013.07.07 11:32:00 -
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Most underrated weapon in the game. Plasma Cannon is a close second. |
LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
78
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Posted - 2013.07.07 11:33:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Back when I ran dual scrambler pistols I found that it was the ammo capacity holding it back from being a true primary weapon, not the clip size. This, I do have a problem with. My trigger finger seemed to be in overdrive when using them.
Switching in between them and reloading is bearable; running out of ammo faster than spraying and praying with an AR is not. |
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Aisha Ctarl
The Generals EoN.
433
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Posted - 2013.07.07 12:09:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:For fun, I ran about 10 or so pub matches with two Militia Scrambler Pistols on a Militia Caldari medium frame. My reaction was that of genuine fun. Laying out Heavies with 3 to 4 shots to the head is even more satisfying than blasting someone away from across the map with my FG. I now am considering running an ADV medium suit with dual ADV Scrambler Pistols as my main fitting. Once I build up enough skill points, I will put my HMG/FG Heavy on hiatus. With that said, what are your thoughts on the SP? My opinion? SP > SMG/Flaylock/AR (The badassery of the reloading animation also adds to its appeal.)
It reloads like the caster from Outlaw Star.
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Another Heavy SOB
TRUE TEA BAGGERS EoN.
232
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Posted - 2013.07.07 12:24:00 -
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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=724987#post724987
Carthum Assault Scrambler pistol... |
Cat Merc
Oculus Felis
1849
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Posted - 2013.07.07 12:31:00 -
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This weapon falls into the "awesome if you have the skill" weapon. It's not underrated, just takes some genuine skill to pull off proper shots. Especially with how broken aiming is in Uprising.
Flaylocks are the exact opposite, they don't do as much DPS, but holy **** are they easy to use and are still damn powerful. |
LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
78
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Posted - 2013.07.07 12:41:00 -
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Another Heavy SOB wrote:https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=724987#post724987 Carthum Assault Scrambler pistol... A Heavy player who also runs dual pistols?
You are my hero. Thanks for the link. I have nowhere near 2.5 mil to invest (I got my HMG proficiency to level 5 today just because), but I will consider your build for when I do have enough skill points saved up.
I am so anxious to try out a dual pistol build that I'm on the verge of screaming out "RESPEC!" |
Musta Tornius
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
448
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Posted - 2013.07.07 12:56:00 -
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I run adv and proto pistols on my adv and proto forge heavies. Headshots are good fun but even body shots do massive amount of damage, not to mention you get 11 shots in a clip. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
163
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Posted - 2013.07.07 12:59:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:Another Heavy SOB wrote:https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=724987#post724987 Carthum Assault Scrambler pistol... A Heavy player who also runs dual pistols? You are my hero. Thanks for the link. I have nowhere near 2.5 mil to invest (I got my HMG proficiency to level 5 today just because), but I will consider your build for when I do have enough skill points saved up. I am so anxious to try out a dual pistol build that I'm on the verge of screaming out "RESPEC!" Eh, I feel the same way about the Carthum Assault Scrambler Pistol as I do about the Carthum Assault Scrambler Rifle, which is coincidentally the same way the first comment in the link feels. It takes up way too much CPU/PG for what is only a marginally better weapon. Not to mention the differences in cost. I say you are better off using a standard or advanced version while still leveling up the skill for the +1 clip size per level (best weapon operations skill bonus ever!) and working on proficiency.
Also with my Commando suit I notice the passive bonus for reload speed applies to sidearms as well. It sounds silly, but this thread has got me considering doing a dual pistol commando fit. Since I already have the skills (well, may Scrambler Pistol Ops is only at 2) I will buy a few of these trial fits and come back here with feedback. |
LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
79
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Posted - 2013.07.07 13:17:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Also with my Commando suit I notice the passive bonus for reload speed applies to sidearms as well. It sounds silly, but this thread has got me considering doing a dual pistol commando fit. Since I already have the skills (well, may Scrambler Pistol Ops is only at 2) I will buy a few of these trial fits and come back here with feedback. I'd like to see what results you'd come up with. From what small amount of matches I played, the dual pistols worked well with the assault suit.
I purposely veered from Scouts because they are squishier than ever and Heavy frames seem too slow to emulate the twitch FPS style I was gearing towards. If the commando works well with the pistol combo, then I'd like to see a little demo of it in action. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
165
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Posted - 2013.07.07 13:38:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Also with my Commando suit I notice the passive bonus for reload speed applies to sidearms as well. It sounds silly, but this thread has got me considering doing a dual pistol commando fit. Since I already have the skills (well, may Scrambler Pistol Ops is only at 2) I will buy a few of these trial fits and come back here with feedback. I'd like to see what results you'd come up with. From what small amount of matches I played, the dual pistols worked well with the assault suit. I purposely veered from Scouts because they are squishier than ever and Heavy frames seem too slow to emulate the twitch FPS style I was gearing towards. If the commando works well with the pistol combo, then I'd like to see a little demo of it in action. Tried it, it's terrible. The commando has better movement than a basic heavy but still not enough to make dual pistols viable. Enemies can easily break out of range of the pistol while still in range for their AR. The reload speed is faster but only marginally. may be worth it if you want to put it in one of the sidearm spots, but definitely not both. |
Forlorn Destrier
Bullet Cluster
1057
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Posted - 2013.07.07 15:05:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Its such a damn good weapon, I find the clip size too small to count on it as a primary weapon but as a quick switch hold out to save your ass against one enemy or finish off a couple wounded ones its amazing
Use a Minmater Scout suit to get a bonus to clip size. |
LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
91
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Posted - 2013.07.08 05:02:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Tried it, it's terrible. The commando has better movement than a basic heavy but still not enough to make dual pistols viable. Enemies can easily break out of range of the pistol while still in range for their AR. The reload speed is faster but only marginally. may be worth it if you want to put it in one of the sidearm spots, but definitely not both.
That's a shame.
On lighter note, my dual pistol setup has been doing quite well.
I have noticed that they really hold their own in 1v1 CQC settings; against ARs and SMGs, they shine. With the proper amount of back pedaling and strafing, every bullet that hits, hits hard (even without complex damage modifiers). What I find interesting is that a well-placed headshot always seems to spook opponents into retreating. I am unsure if the loss in all their shields makes them go "What the hell just hit me" but the moment they hesitate to fire back usually results in them eating dirt.
On the other hand, Shotty Scouts are a 50/50. The speed at which they close distances will sometimes get the better of me, but 2 or 3 decent shots is enough to drop them. However, my favorite match-ups have to be against HMG Heavies. Their slower movement speeds makes performing headshots easier to do whilst also providing a challenge because of their durability.
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Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate
558
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Posted - 2013.07.08 05:10:00 -
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its amazing how many head shots i have been getting. i am a toxin master, but have been running the scrambler pistol lately.
Head shots are lethal. i love this gun. i use the basic but have ADV skill in it. |
R'adeh Hunt
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
204
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Posted - 2013.07.10 18:32:00 -
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First rule of SP club: You do not talk about the SP club |
Aisha Ctarl
The Generals EoN.
752
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Posted - 2013.07.10 18:38:00 -
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I used to love the SP prior to 1.2 - after 1.2 and its looney toons strafe speeds, it is much MUCH harder to use effectively. |
Boot Booter
Elite Gamers Militia
29
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Posted - 2013.07.10 18:45:00 -
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SMGs all the way! Now if the SP had a cool little floppy red dot thing... |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
5958
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Posted - 2013.07.10 18:46:00 -
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Amazing how this game just seemingly continues to reward you for experimenting with fits. |
Aisha Ctarl
The Generals EoN.
752
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Posted - 2013.07.10 18:46:00 -
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As a side note, the SP reload reminds me a lot of the Caster from Outlaw Star. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows
593
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Posted - 2013.07.10 19:34:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Its such a damn good weapon, I find the clip size too small to count on it as a primary weapon but as a quick switch hold out to save your ass against one enemy or finish off a couple wounded ones its amazing Use a Minmater Scout suit to get a bonus to clip size.
You're thinking Minmatar Assault. The Minmatar Scouts get bonuses to melee/nova knife damage and reductions to sig profile. |
LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
152
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Posted - 2013.07.10 21:28:00 -
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It's nearing a week since I began experimenting with this build. Thus far, my experiences with the Scrambler Pistol have only gotten better.
Breach SP + Complex sidearm modifiers + Decent Amount of strafing + Headshot = Overkill
It doesn't matter what gear setups opponents have; the Breach will consistently drop reds with utmost ease. Two shots to the head is all you need. |
R'adeh Hunt
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
205
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Posted - 2013.07.10 21:31:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:It's nearing a week since I began experimenting with this build. Thus far, my experiences with the Scrambler Pistol have only gotten better.
Breach SP + Complex sidearm modifiers + Decent Amount of strafing + Headshot = Overkill
It doesn't matter what gear setups opponents have; the Breach will consistently drop reds with utmost ease. Two shots to the head is all you need.
The most hilarious moments are when they engage you laughing at your puny little pistol thinking their AR is oh so good...and then lose pretty much all shields in one go. They always seem to retreat confused after that happens...which is great because you can then shoot them in the back |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
2598
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Posted - 2013.07.10 21:37:00 -
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The breach scrambler pistol gets some crazy damage, it also feels like it has a more relaxed cadence as well, makes you less inclined to spam the trigger and makes you take your time. |
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Vulcanus Lightbringer
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2013.07.10 21:41:00 -
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gbghg wrote:The breach scrambler pistol gets some crazy damage, it also feels like it has a more relaxed cadence as well, makes you less inclined to spam the trigger and makes you take your time.
This, the TY-5 Breach is a monster. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
412
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Posted - 2013.07.10 21:42:00 -
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I can't tell you how many times the scrambler pistol saved me life. Just this morning I was corned by a Matari flaylocker and managed to pull off the headshot just in time with 2 armor to spare.
The breach is pretty decent, that's how I used to run my dual SP build (one assault for basic attacks then a breach if I neeed that one shot now). The burst variant is kind of broken though, especially how it doesn't like up with the +1 clip size per level bonus. |
Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
30
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Posted - 2013.07.10 22:01:00 -
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Stop alerting people that the scrambler pistol is OP, if they had no hope for it, then they do not deserve the power of the Scrambler Pistol! /closed |
Cosgar
ParagonX
2601
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Posted - 2013.07.10 22:05:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:As a side note, the SP reload reminds me a lot of the Caster from Outlaw Star. I got that vibe too. |
LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
152
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Posted - 2013.07.13 03:45:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Stop alerting people that the scrambler pistol is OP, if they had no hope for it, then they do not deserve the power of the Scrambler Pistol! /closed It is not OP. The SP does require a certain amount of skill to be efficient in its use.
The Flaylock only requires the shooter to aim in the vicinity of his or her opponent and the SMG can be used in a spray and pray situation whilst still being effective. The SP, on the other hand, actually requires the player to aim well and keep a target locked on for any of the bullets to catch, and if a player is aiming for headshots, the level of skill to be consistent is just so much more, |
gbt555
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.07.13 03:48:00 -
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Face shotmscrambles the brain |
Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
31
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Posted - 2013.07.14 01:09:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:Stop alerting people that the scrambler pistol is OP, if they had no hope for it, then they do not deserve the power of the Scrambler Pistol! /closed It is not OP. The SP does require a certain amount of skill to be efficient in its use. The Flaylock only requires the shooter to aim in the vicinity of his or her opponent and the SMG can be used in a spray and pray situation whilst still being effective. The SP, on the other hand, actually requires the player to aim well and keep a target locked on for any of the bullets to catch, and if a player is aiming for headshots, the level of skill to be consistent is just so much more, Yeah.. You need skill for it to be OP. |
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