CCP this core flaylock is not a gun its an abomination; people are walking around with it and one shoting people without competition, it makes the game no fun to play and those of us who play fair and use other weapons just get left to rot in the flaylocks waste, Please lower the splash and direct hit damage or remove it all together, people are being slaughtered by it more than HMG's witch are meant to slaughter!

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It can only one shot scouts and badly fit militia suits...and even then, only if it hits directly. That's of course assuming that scout/militia is at full health. If he isn't at full health, he shouldn't be whining about a OHK.

Also, you need to reload after only 3 shots...and you need to hit with splash 3 times at least to kill anything decently fit. Direct hits are rare unless the opponent is a ****** who stands still or moves in a very predicable way...mostly because of bullet flight time. It takes a lot of skill to lead that gun correctly against non idiot opponents.

As for dps, while the flaylock's per shot damage is higher, dps isn't higher than for the smg or scrambler pistol for that matter. Again, the bullet flight time and small magazine are major drawbacks...and against well fit opponents who don't move predictably like idiots, the core isn't op.

You're asking for a nerf simply because you haven't figured out how to counter it yet...or your fit sucks. It's a PROTOTYPE level gun, it's supposed to be good. Have you tried the scrambler pistol at that level? Headshots OHK a ton just like the flaylock.

The flaylock 2 shot kills me in full proto, And im full shields! I agree flaylock is OP, everyone cried about TAC AR's and they got nerfed so hard that they are utterly useless, Flaylock is worse then the TAC ever was.

So, yes nerf the damned things or atleast drop the damage they do to shields, it should be ripping through armor not dominateing EVERYTHING.

Also, you need to reload after only 3 shots...and you need to hit with splash 3 times at least to kill anything decently fit. Direct hits are rare unless the opponent is a ****** who stands still or moves in a very predicable way...mostly because of bullet flight time. It takes a lot of skill to lead that gun correctly against non idiot opponents.

The flaylock 2 shot kills me in full proto, And im full shields! I agree flaylock is OP, everyone cried about TAC AR's and they got nerfed so hard that they are utterly useless, Flaylock is worse then the TAC ever was.

So, yes nerf the damned things or atleast drop the damage they do to shields, it should be ripping through armor not dominateing EVERYTHING.

Dude for one no not just scouts get 1 OHK I have 500 armor and 175 shields I loose shields very quikly but when a core flaylock shows up the practicly never existed because he instantly drops me with one shot, for example I was going from Alpha to Bravo on ashland and got sniped by a core flaylcok sitting in the crowsnest, had full shields, had full armor, so please explain to me how the core flaylock is not OP if it can one shot 500+ armor and 175 shields? hmm?

It is not a valuable addition to the game. I also think it should be removed. Not only is it OP, it is a sidearm so it can be dual wielded for maximum ridiculousness. Seems like changes aren't tested before being instituted. Either way game would be better without, refund the SP into it and the cost of the skillbook.

Dude for one no not just scouts get 1 OHK I have 500 armor and 175 shields I loose shields very quikly but when a core flaylock shows up the practicly never existed because he instantly drops me with one shot, for example I was going from Alpha to Bravo on ashland and got sniped by a core flaylcok sitting in the crowsnest, had full shields, had full armor, so please explain to me how the core flaylock is not OP if it can one shot 500+ armor and 175 shields? hmm?

What if the rocket had to travel a certain distance before it would arm and explode? If it doesn't travel the required distance, give it the cook time of a grenade before it expodes. This would drastically reduce its CQC capability while keeping its medium range potential.

What if the rocket had to travel a certain distance before it would arm and explode? If it doesn't travel the required distance, give it the cook time of a grenade before it expodes. This would drastically reduce its CQC capability while keeping its medium range potential.

Another possibility, it could be a Vehicle lock only weapon like a miniature swarm launcher.

I feel like this should be the case for both mass drivers and flaylocks.

That's like adding an iron sight to the laser. Making a weapon harder to use is a horrible way to balance something.

It can only one shot scouts and badly fit militia suits...and even then, only if it hits directly. That's of course assuming that scout/militia is at full health. If he isn't at full health, he shouldn't be whining about a OHK.

Also, you need to reload after only 3 shots...and you need to hit with splash 3 times at least to kill anything decently fit. Direct hits are rare unless the opponent is a ****** who stands still or moves in a very predicable way...mostly because of bullet flight time. It takes a lot of skill to lead that gun correctly against non idiot opponents.

As for dps, while the flaylock's per shot damage is higher, dps isn't higher than for the smg or scrambler pistol for that matter. Again, the bullet flight time and small magazine are major drawbacks...and against well fit opponents who don't move predictably like idiots, the core isn't op.

You're asking for a nerf simply because you haven't figured out how to counter it yet...or your fit sucks. It's a PROTOTYPE level gun, it's supposed to be good. Have you tried the scrambler pistol at that level? Headshots OHK a ton just like the flaylock.

They are obviously OP. That being said I don't mind them much.... They should have some downside. That guy who said they are hard to aim is full of it. The problem is that you can pop off three rounds quickly and nobody sticks around for the third shot so who cares how long the reload is.
Personally I think they should do 25 points of damage per shot to the person using it. Anyone who has launched fireworks rockets from your hand knows how bad it hurts as they blast away.

CCP do you see that this seriously needs to be nerfed, not for our benifet but for yours, people are thinking of leaving because of that one gun, remove it, nerf it, I don't care do something that will make it less of a ultra weapon and more of an actual weapon!

...those of us who play fair...

I bet youre an AR scrub.

Welcome to New Eden.

takes 6 shots to kill alot of proto heavies.

4-5 for caldari logis,

4 for most other proto shield tankers,

2-3 for most armor tankers

Yes, translated, this is:

2 magazines for proto heavies
1.5 magazines for caldari logis
1.5 magazines for shield tankers
1 magazine for most armor tankers

It is true the flaylock has issues. Namely the dmg it does is additive. IE the direct dmg is added to the splash dmg which means with no weapon bonuses it does 480 dmg......it gets a -dmg% against shields but a +dmg% against armor.

don't believe this is right, I've direct hit guys with it and it barely does any more then the splash damage.

don't believe this is right, I've direct hit guys with it and it barely does any more then the splash damage.

I got one sentence and addendum to all Flaylock defenders.

ITS A ****ING SIDEARM!!

These numbers are incorrect.

3-4 shots for heavies (3 if they are using dmg mods, 4 if they stack shield extenders)
2-3 shots for Caladari Logi's (2 shots if they have anything equiped other than 5x complex shield extenders, plates do not matter)
2-3 shots for all shield tankers
2 shots for all armor tankers.

Also remember minmitar assaults have 4 shots in a clip due to racial bonus, and the term magazine is misleading as most of the time the weapon is duel weilded and with switching weapons being instant now the true clip size is between 6-8 shots depending on if you are using a minmitar assault suit or not.

Seriously, we need a fix in 1.3 for this... CCP, you cannot wait until 1.4 to put a fix in for the flaylock!

Dude for one no not just scouts get 1 OHK I have 500 armor and 175 shields I loose shields very quikly but when a core flaylock shows up the practicly never existed because he instantly drops me with one shot, for example I was going from Alpha to Bravo on ashland and got sniped by a core flaylcok sitting in the crowsnest, had full shields, had full armor, so please explain to me how the core flaylock is not OP if it can one shot 500+ armor and 175 shields? hmm?

It can only one shot scouts and badly fit militia suits...and even then, only if it hits directly. That's of course assuming that scout/militia is at full health. If he isn't at full health, he shouldn't be whining about a OHK.

Also, you need to reload after only 3 shots...and you need to hit with splash 3 times at least to kill anything decently fit. Direct hits are rare unless the opponent is a ****** who stands still or moves in a very predicable way...mostly because of bullet flight time. It takes a lot of skill to lead that gun correctly against non idiot opponents.

As for dps, while the flaylock's per shot damage is higher, dps isn't higher than for the smg or scrambler pistol for that matter. Again, the bullet flight time and small magazine are major drawbacks...and against well fit opponents who don't move predictably like idiots, the core isn't op.

You're asking for a nerf simply because you haven't figured out how to counter it yet...or your fit sucks. It's a PROTOTYPE level gun, it's supposed to be good. Have you tried the scrambler pistol at that level? Headshots OHK a ton just like the flaylock.

i'll admit my proficiency in the weapon is only level 2 but I use 3 damage mods, and it still takes 5-6 shots to kill most well speced proto heavies and caldari logis, don't get me wrong though I do find heavies that can drop in 4 shots, and I find logis that drop in one.

but the ones I come across in pc, or in pub stomping proto fits, tend to take the numbers I supplied.

WHO ***ING CARES

Just because a weapon fits in the sidearm slot it doesn't mean that it has to be ineffective.

I got one sentence and addendum to all Flaylock defenders.

ITS A ****ING SIDEARM!!

That and the fact is dishes out more damage to armor is just silly, why does it do more damage thana Mass Driver?

And dont even get me started on it not requiring PG.

I swear if the ION Pistol isnt OP in its first iteration it better give handjobs for all the BS ive had to put up with from the Flaylock. Just my personal opinion.

Flaylock > Massdriver

This is not right. That's like if the scrambler pistol was better than the scrambler rifle,
or if the SMG was a better killer than the HMG..... oh wait.

Flaylock > Massdriver

This is not right. That's like if the scrambler pistol was better than the scrambler rifle,
or if the SMG was a better killer than the HMG..... oh wait.

Its a rocket, not a kittening grenade, also: All sidearms are stronger than their full set counterpart- scramblers, smg-hmg, flaylock to mass driver, but they have eztremely reduced range and ammo, scrambler has 1/8 the ammo of its rifle, smg has 1/4 the ammo of hmg, and the flaylock has not only half the ammo, also has 1/5 of the splash
Quit yer bichin

the mass driver is different not worse or better.

mass driver does less damaage and a slower rate of fire,

but has a larger blast radius, more ammo per clip, and a much longer range with no set travel distance like the flaylock.

this would mean as a suppression tool the mass driver would be more effective.

As I stated before the flaylocks only problem is it's CPU and PG cost.

Flaylock > Massdriver

This is not right. That's like if the scrambler pistol was better than the scrambler rifle,
or if the SMG was a better killer than the HMG..... oh wait.

FYI, 1.3 has been frozen for almost two weeks. No word on what's in it.

In my opinion, is way OP. You cannot give that ammount of "bonus" damage to people who don't even aim at the body.
Also it's kinda dumb that a primary weapon, Mass Driver, requires more skill and time to take down anyone than a Flylock, which is a sidearm.

Options to fix it?
1.- Make it a single shot like a lot of high power weapons (Or charge shot, in the case of the Forge gun, which is pretty much single shot)
2.- Reduce the splash radious &/or splash damage (It's even ok with me if you increase it direct damage, cuz it must have a bounus if you are good with it).
3.- Reduce RoF, cuz right now it has no controll, like TAR had once.

I'm not saying to do all that at once, cuz it might be the same as the laser, which was nerfed so badly that is useless now.
TAR is still a good weapon & I like it for midlong encounters.

L8er!

I try to avoid nerfing talks now unless they regard broken mechanics like re-line sniping or murder taxis.......but...

SOME dude got behind me and took 6 shots of his EXO mass driver to drop me...
in the same game another guy shot at me twice with a Core Flay lock and i died....

Just pointing it out...

Dude for one no not just scouts get 1 OHK I have 500 armor and 175 shields I loose shields very quikly but when a core flaylock shows up the practicly never existed because he instantly drops me with one shot, for example I was going from Alpha to Bravo on ashland and got sniped by a core flaylcok sitting in the crowsnest, had full shields, had full armor, so please explain to me how the core flaylock is not OP if it can one shot 500+ armor and 175 shields? hmm?

I primarily use the flaylock, due to the fact that I am a dedicated Gallente logi and I still run out of CPU and PG so bear in mind if this weapon is going to be destroyed then a logistics weapon NEEDS to be implemented (perhaps allow the repair tool to inverse repair enemies at the same range that it repairs friendlies), however yes the flaylock does need nerfed in a way. The conclusion I have come up with is that the range needs to be reduced, and the optimal range to reduce the prototype to would have to be (I don't know the actual range so I will give an example) if you are standing on the edge of the of the top of one of the domes over C or D on line harvest for the round to explode 2.5m over the dirt. That way so it has to be a true CQC weapon and cannot be used to defend D or E on the bridge map.

WHO ***ING CARES

Just because a weapon fits in the sidearm slot it doesn't mean that it has to be ineffective.

Dude for one no not just scouts get 1 OHK I have 500 armor and 175 shields I loose shields very quikly but when a core flaylock shows up the practicly never existed because he instantly drops me with one shot, for example I was going from Alpha to Bravo on ashland and got sniped by a core flaylcok sitting in the crowsnest, had full shields, had full armor, so please explain to me how the core flaylock is not OP if it can one shot 500+ armor and 175 shields? hmm?

The proto flaylock pistols are killing everyone way too fast and are way too reliable because the radius of splash damage is too high and the flaylocks fire a bit too fast. The proto flaylocks are also cheaper than proto ARs and are more powerful than proto ARs up close by a large margin.

The standard flaylock is almost harmless because the splash damage radius is too small.

All flaylock pistols need to have all there splash damage the same because the standard flaylock is way too hard to use and the proto flaylock is too powerful and easy to use (damage radius is too high, people are killing other moving players from high vantage points at ranges like 40m easily and rate of fire is too high)

All flaylock pistols should have something like 1.49m radius of splash damage. The damage values themselves should not be touched.

The advanced flaylock should have its ISK cost increased by 10 000 ISK roughly.

The proto flaylock should have its ISK cost increased by 20 000 ISK roughly.

The rate of fire should be similar to the breach srambler pistol.

Edit: The Core flaylock is easier or as easy to aim as a shotgun up close because the splash damage of the Core flaylock is a bit too high.

Even at ranges like 15m or slightly higher the Core flaylock is a bit too powerful compared to other weapons. Other weapons like the scrambler pistol and SMG and scrambler rifle and AR will usually miss a few shots in the first 2 seconds of firing. While the Core flaylock has a radius large enough to make it harder to miss. That is why the Core flaylock is OP mainly. The rate of fire also needs to be reduced.

The Core flaylock is OP because the margin of error for the weapon is far too small compared to other medium range weapons like the AR and scrambler rifle (at 15m range). (Im comparing a close range weapon to a medium range weapon here).

The proto flaylock pistols are killing everyone way too fast and are way too reliable because the radius of splash damage is too high and the flaylocks fire a bit too fast. The proto flaylocks are also cheaper than proto ARs and are more powerful than proto ARs up close by a large margin.

The standard flaylock is almost harmless because the splash damage radius is too small.

All flaylock pistols need to have all there splash damage the same because the standard flaylock is way too hard to use and the proto flaylock is too powerful and easy to use (damage radius is too high, people are killing other moving players from high vantage points at ranges like 40m easily and rate of fire is too high)

All flaylock pistols should have something like 1.49m radius of splash damage. The damage values themselves should not be touched.

The advanced flaylock should have its ISK cost increased by 10 000 ISK roughly.

The proto flaylock should have its ISK cost increased by 20 000 ISK roughly.

The rate of fire should be similar to the breach srambler pistol.

Edit: The Core flaylock is easier or as easy to aim as a shotgun up close because the splash damage of the Core flaylock is a bit too high.

Even at ranges like 15m or slightly higher the Core flaylock is a bit too powerful compared to other weapons. Other weapons like the scrambler pistol and SMG and scrambler rifle and AR will usually miss a few shots in the first 2 seconds of firing. While the Core flaylock has a radius large enough to make it harder to miss. That is why the Core flaylock is OP mainly. The rate of fire also needs to be reduced.

The Core flaylock is OP because the margin of error for the weapon is far too small compared to other medium range weapons like the AR and scrambler rifle (at 15m range). (Im comparing a close range weapon to a medium range weapon here).