I would trade 3x SP for some respect. There is a serious lack of respect from CCP. They should allow respect purchases with aurum, or at least give us some respect when they release new content. Come on CCP, where is the respect?

i would rather have a respec over having more SP. With a respec, you trade in your profession for a new profession, and your roughly just as effective as you were previously. With a bunch more SP, you become well versed in more classes so individuals can fulfill multiple combat roles on the battlefeild. I think it would be more fun to give a respec and continue to have everyone specializing into one class, whatever they choose, instead of throwing SP at us so everyone can do everything

No.

Just no.

No.

Choice -> Consequence -> Responsibility to live with consequences.


Respecs remove the last part.

This is not a game without responsibility.

i would rather have a respec over having more SP. With a respec, you trade in your profession for a new profession, and your roughly just as effective as you were previously. With a bunch more SP, you become well versed in more classes so individuals can fulfill multiple combat roles on the battlefeild. I think it would be more fun to give a respec and continue to have everyone specializing into one class, whatever they choose, instead of throwing SP at us so everyone can do everything

this game is horribly inbalanced with gear being nerfed and buffed all the time. Add in a few empty promices for gear we were supposed to have and never recived, and ppl become very bored with being screwed over 24/7 because they have a class that is being completly ignored by CCP (I.E. heavys, scouts, tanks, dropships and lazer rifles) and classes/gear that they skilled into being nerfed into useless (I.E. tanks, dropships, D tac, lazer, mass driver). No, you should not have to play another 6 months of getting your ass kicked to get another 10 mill SP to fix the **** situiation you were put in. CCP is not improving the classes we play and sometimes make them worse. Oh well, sucks to be those guys. those are the consequances for not buying enough AUR

More truth, but be prepared to hear from scrubs that know better than someone actually participating in the game at a high level.

The skill point grind is part of the game, it's always been part of the game. Skill points was part of the game when people played in closed beta and it's still part of it now.

You'd think people would have learned by now that choices mattered when spending those precious points. but no. Instead we have a new thread every day with them crying because they are not currently the fotm spec and can't adapt.

The faster a player gets sp...the faster that player will lose intrest and stop playing dust. The grind aspect is what keeps many players around.

Changes will always happen. Tweaks will always be made because people will always cry nerf and say someone else has it better.

The only people that may ever deserve a respec are heavies. Not because of the guns, but because they literally have one choice when it comes to proto heavy suits.

The weird thing is, a lot of you crying are those that tell new players to man up and deal with the proto stomping. Yet when you feel slightly put out you start crying just as loud only with a bigger sense of smug and entitlement.

Other than, I say stfu and just deal with your choice.

If respecs became common occurrences you could then say, why even have skill points or skill trees? Since people could just change whenever.

Sorry, but I don't think people should get them unless it's a seriously major change. Not just a nerf, buff or whatever else.

Honestly,I don't really even care anymore.Respec,3x SP,what difference does it really make? The player count is so low that it has no real impact if we get respecs or not.

Honestly,I don't really even care anymore.Respec,3x SP,what difference does it really make? The player count is so low that it has no real impact if we get respecs or not.

i would rather have a respec over having more SP. With a respec, you trade in your profession for a new profession, and your roughly just as effective as you were previously. With a bunch more SP, you become well versed in more classes so individuals can fulfill multiple combat roles on the battlefeild. I think it would be more fun to give a respec and continue to have everyone specializing into one class, whatever they choose, instead of throwing SP at us so everyone can do everything

I think you misunderstood. Try and read it again.

I can't dispute it's not fair to promise something and then not deliver, was it actually a promise? Or was it more some gamer said it sounded like a promise and it went from there.

Honestly though, what do people expect?

It's a free to play game with a limited budget. If they put out all the content at the start people would be demanding more and not getting it because it's clearly not been developed.

Balancing issues are a factor, true. Again this is not something I'm saying is a lie but unless it was a respect once a year (say similar to the neural remap idea you get in Eve) the game would always be between two or three weapon/suit types.

Or only exception I can think of would be say a remap at the end of the battle academy. That way you get the chance to play with the different items and then commit to a path upon leaving.

(side note, those closed beta testers and cpm must have been kinda sucky. Is it not the job of these folks to report imbalances and get it worked out before the game officially released?)

I can't dispute it's not fair to promise something and then not deliver, was it actually a promise? Or was it more some gamer said it sounded like a promise and it went from there.

Honestly though, what do people expect?

It's a free to play game with a limited budget. If they put out all the content at the start people would be demanding more and not getting it because it's clearly not been developed.

Balancing issues are a factor, true. Again this is not something I'm saying is a lie but unless it was a respect once a year (say similar to the neural remap idea you get in Eve) the game would always be between two or three weapon/suit types.

Or only exception I can think of would be say a remap at the end of the battle academy. That way you get the chance to play with the different items and then commit to a path upon leaving.

(side note, those closed beta testers and cpm must have been kinda sucky. Is it not the job of these folks to report imbalances and get it worked out before the game officially released?)

I would trade 3x SP for some respect. There is a serious lack of respect from CCP. They should allow respect purchases with aurum, or at least give us some respect when they release new content. Come on CCP, where is the respect?

This is the diffrence it would make as i said earlier in this thread:


The player count is so low because of the balancing issiues, constant ppl being screwed over by their classes/weapons suddenly becoming useless (bcuz of no respecs) and PC wearing ppl down. If we solve these promblems dust can get better and itl keep our community together. Dunno bout you, but im trying to make dust better

No.

Choice -> Consequence -> Responsibility to live with consequences.


Respecs remove the last part.

This is not a game without responsibility.

No.

Choice -> Consequence -> Responsibility to live with consequences.


Respecs remove the last part.

This is not a game without responsibility.

Stop replying to everyone, we understand your perspective already. Damn dude.

I totally agree with you,but in the state that it's in now,I don't understand why people would fight against respecs or 3x SP for exactly the reasons you say.

Unfortunately,the reason why I say it doesn't matter anymore is because those that left out of frustration of getting screwed,the majority of those players will never come back,thus leaving this game with sub 6k player count.

I've said it before and I'll say it again,you can't properly balance a game with what's supposed to be a ton of assets,and a small playerbase along with small player count per match.

If Dust 514 were a house being built,CCP is building it from the roof down,instead of the foundation up.

I would trade 3x SP for some respect. There is a serious lack of respect from CCP. They should allow respect purchases with aurum, or at least give us some respect when they release new content. Come on CCP, where is the respect?

considering im one of the only people actually replying intelligently ill reply as i please. All i see is bitching and debate with no reason behind it and its not getting the point of respecs across. if im the only one arguing the good points then so be it

Just randomly interjecting here, I think Asher was talking to Natu, though I could be wrong.

While I personally think we should still receive at least one more optional respec when we move into Official Release, I'm actually starting to be against full respecs, paid or not.

I'm definitely a fan of a passive, gradual SP refund system. Something that lets you take a point out of a skill and refunds that SP to you. You get X amount of points per month, I'm thinking 5 personally, to allow you to completely erase one maxed out skill per month and place it elsewhere.

This lets you save up if you feel confident in your spreadsheet powers, giving you plenty of options if one day you decide to further focus on your specialization (especially if we keep getting more and more skills) or to completely change. Those points are gone once used, and slowly come back. This can't be boosted, and would have no ties to AUR what so ever. Everyone has it, period.

Another respec upon full release (tho i belive Dust was fully released on 5/14 prematurely because CCP couldent hold it in their pants) would be great and very much appritiated by a majority of the communitybut CCP would break the game with more buffs, nerfs and new gear so the promblem of screwing ppl over would continue. So if we have regular respecs like once or twice a year it would do alot to solve the promblem

Lets make a deal we the players get more SP events and with that in mind take away skill respecs that way you guys at CCP dont have to get so many people angry and thirsty for a respec because people are getting much more SP to spend.If you agree please like.

I'm primarily staying out of these debates for the time being, I'm pretty sure CCP isn't concerned about player retention right now; no troll. I really think they want the population low right now. They know they definitely didn't come out of the gate anywhere near as strong as they should have, and that their public image is already pretty meh for the few people that know of it. If they put forward enough money to make sure this thing keeps afloat for long enough, then just the booster sales alone could keep this thing online for quite a while.

Better to hunker down, listen but don't communicate much, and do your best to get this thing online in time for the official release of 5.14 (that's May, 2014). If they ever manage to get us to a strong stable point where everything runs like a new game should, and the new player experience is vastly overhauled, then they can start really pushing for new players and drawing more and more people in.

Better to be an unknown game that a few people ***** about then a well known game that everyone laughs about.

your prolly right. but one things for certain, if dust doesent become more progressed and player freindly by november no one will be playing this joke with ps4 out. Iknow i wont want to because i am unfortionetly a tank pilot and with no way to get out of the trap ccp has laid out for me im out. Theres countless others who feel the same

I was a Dropship pilot bro, you're preachin' to the choir :/

Here's hoping, right?

Your even worse off than tanks. a shame, right? Im pretty done with hoping, CCP does listen to us and they will read this. with some luck and alittle bit of hope anyway, they will see the light in the points we discussed. We shouldent be forced to play tanks, dropships, and whatever other classes they ruined and should have the ability to spec out of it. Were tired of being a nonfactor on the battlefeild

I'm using an Assault Rifle, and I tend to agree with Protoman.

The end is nigh

ABANDON ALL HOPE