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Shadow knightz
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.06 14:51:00 -
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Lets make a deal we the players get more SP events and with that in mind take away skill respecs that way you guys at CCP dont have to get so many people angry and thirsty for a respec because people are getting much more SP to spend.If you agree please like. |
Cy Clone1
Ill Omens EoN.
41
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Posted - 2013.07.06 15:21:00 -
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ive been pushing repecs for a long time, but I would prefer this idea. |
Natu Nobilis
BetaMax Beta CRONOS.
406
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Posted - 2013.07.06 15:54:00 -
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No respecs.
Never.
Never ever ever again.
No.
Just no.
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Green Living
0uter.Heaven
495
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Posted - 2013.07.06 15:55:00 -
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CCP doesn't negotiate with terrorists. |
Funkmaster Whale
0uter.Heaven
33
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Posted - 2013.07.06 15:58:00 -
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I would trade 3x SP for some respect. There is a serious lack of respect from CCP. They should allow respect purchases with aurum, or at least give us some respect when they release new content. Come on CCP, where is the respect? |
Natu Nobilis
BetaMax Beta CRONOS.
406
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Posted - 2013.07.06 16:01:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:I would trade 3x SP for some respect. There is a serious lack of respect from CCP. They should allow respect purchases with aurum, or at least give us some respect when they release new content. Come on CCP, where is the respect?
No.
Just no.
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Exmaple Core
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
458
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Posted - 2013.07.06 16:14:00 -
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i would rather have a respec over having more SP. With a respec, you trade in your profession for a new profession, and your roughly just as effective as you were previously. With a bunch more SP, you become well versed in more classes so individuals can fulfill multiple combat roles on the battlefeild. I think it would be more fun to give a respec and continue to have everyone specializing into one class, whatever they choose, instead of throwing SP at us so everyone can do everything |
Patoman Radiant
ZionTCD
143
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Posted - 2013.07.06 16:18:00 -
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who said respecs were comming back? I recall one because of new skills, two because they bugged skill description.
People are imagining them coming back, I don't think they will with good reason.
This isn't a game of finite specialization, you can skill in everything, all it takes is time. |
Shadow knightz
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.07.06 16:24:00 -
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You can do more with lots of SP rather than respec and reunlock also once you respec once you will keep asking for more till they get pissed off |
Natu Nobilis
BetaMax Beta CRONOS.
409
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Posted - 2013.07.06 16:31:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:i would rather have a respec over having more SP. With a respec, you trade in your profession for a new profession, and your roughly just as effective as you were previously. With a bunch more SP, you become well versed in more classes so individuals can fulfill multiple combat roles on the battlefeild. I think it would be more fun to give a respec and continue to have everyone specializing into one class, whatever they choose, instead of throwing SP at us so everyone can do everything
No.
Choice -> Consequence -> Responsibility to live with consequences.
Respecs remove the last part.
This is not a game without responsibility.
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Senator Snipe
Neanderthal Nation Public Disorder.
23
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Posted - 2013.07.06 16:34:00 -
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well technically i think they would have to do respecs anyway as the market grows. If people decide to go into a different dropsuit they would want back all the SP they used for their already specd in suit for the suit they want. |
Sgt Buttscratch
G I A N T EoN.
342
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Posted - 2013.07.06 16:35:00 -
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I agree to both in all honesty.
Respecs: The game is missing a lot of further content, so how are we supposed to properly build on that, when we have X million SP dumped in available content. SP events: Game is young, they help boost numbers, make people play, and also allow lower sp blueberries a nice boost. Which will help the competitive side of things.
Issues, flavor of the month respecs, example join any skirmish. Also players will be less careful if they know they can call for a mulligan. SP, fuster cluck launches mean that events are messed up, this time around we got people getting 3x,4x,5x,6x depending on their grind levels wed/thur. Also they can hurt the game cuz more afkers turn up for these. |
lowratehitman
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
712
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Posted - 2013.07.06 16:53:00 -
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The faster a player gets sp...the faster that player will lose intrest and stop playing dust. The grind aspect is what keeps many players around. |
Funkmaster Whale
0uter.Heaven
37
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Posted - 2013.07.06 17:00:00 -
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Natu Nobilis wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:I would trade 3x SP for some respect. There is a serious lack of respect from CCP. They should allow respect purchases with aurum, or at least give us some respect when they release new content. Come on CCP, where is the respect? No. Just no.
I think you misunderstood. Try and read it again. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
641
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Posted - 2013.07.06 17:01:00 -
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An extra million SP isn't going to help people who get bored of playing a heavy and want to try out something new.
They could put it into a scout suit, but with all their SP in forge guns, HMGs and armour modules, having a light frame to run around in is just going to see them die a lot. |
N1ck Comeau
Pro Hic Immortalis
602
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Posted - 2013.07.06 17:01:00 -
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You have to live with your choices.
No respecs please. But more 3x sp events would be nice :) |
Exmaple Core
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
460
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Posted - 2013.07.06 17:17:00 -
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Natu Nobilis wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:i would rather have a respec over having more SP. With a respec, you trade in your profession for a new profession, and your roughly just as effective as you were previously. With a bunch more SP, you become well versed in more classes so individuals can fulfill multiple combat roles on the battlefeild. I think it would be more fun to give a respec and continue to have everyone specializing into one class, whatever they choose, instead of throwing SP at us so everyone can do everything No. Choice -> Consequence -> Responsibility to live with consequences. Respecs remove the last part. This is not a game without responsibility.
this game is horribly inbalanced with gear being nerfed and buffed all the time. Add in a few empty promices for gear we were supposed to have and never recived, and ppl become very bored with being screwed over 24/7 because they have a class that is being completly ignored by CCP (I.E. heavys, scouts, tanks, dropships and lazer rifles) and classes/gear that they skilled into being nerfed into useless (I.E. tanks, dropships, D tac, lazer, mass driver). No, you should not have to play another 6 months of getting your ass kicked to get another 10 mill SP to fix the **** situiation you were put in. CCP is not improving the classes we play and sometimes make them worse. Oh well, sucks to be those guys. those are the consequances for not buying enough AUR |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
548
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Posted - 2013.07.06 17:22:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:i would rather have a respec over having more SP. With a respec, you trade in your profession for a new profession, and your roughly just as effective as you were previously. With a bunch more SP, you become well versed in more classes so individuals can fulfill multiple combat roles on the battlefeild. I think it would be more fun to give a respec and continue to have everyone specializing into one class, whatever they choose, instead of throwing SP at us so everyone can do everything
This makes so much sense.
The people that act like we want respecs because of mistakes are so off base. It's to keep interest. If someone gets bored they may choose to find another game instead of grinding for a few months to become relevant in their new role.
I'd rather have a thriving player base than stick to some weird New Eden code that has been adopted by non FPS PC players.
I wouldn't respec right now if it were available, but it would be awesome if I could if/when I get bored. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
548
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Posted - 2013.07.06 17:24:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:Natu Nobilis wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:i would rather have a respec over having more SP. With a respec, you trade in your profession for a new profession, and your roughly just as effective as you were previously. With a bunch more SP, you become well versed in more classes so individuals can fulfill multiple combat roles on the battlefeild. I think it would be more fun to give a respec and continue to have everyone specializing into one class, whatever they choose, instead of throwing SP at us so everyone can do everything No. Choice -> Consequence -> Responsibility to live with consequences. Respecs remove the last part. This is not a game without responsibility. this game is horribly inbalanced with gear being nerfed and buffed all the time. Add in a few empty promices for gear we were supposed to have and never recived, and ppl become very bored with being screwed over 24/7 because they have a class that is being completly ignored by CCP (I.E. heavys, scouts, tanks, dropships and lazer rifles) and classes/gear that they skilled into being nerfed into useless (I.E. tanks, dropships, D tac, lazer, mass driver). No, you should not have to play another 6 months of getting your ass kicked to get another 10 mill SP to fix the **** situiation you were put in. CCP is not improving the classes we play and sometimes make them worse. Oh well, sucks to be those guys. those are the consequances for not buying enough AUR
More truth, but be prepared to hear from scrubs that know better than someone actually participating in the game at a high level.
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Exmaple Core
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
460
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Posted - 2013.07.07 19:01:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:Natu Nobilis wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:i would rather have a respec over having more SP. With a respec, you trade in your profession for a new profession, and your roughly just as effective as you were previously. With a bunch more SP, you become well versed in more classes so individuals can fulfill multiple combat roles on the battlefeild. I think it would be more fun to give a respec and continue to have everyone specializing into one class, whatever they choose, instead of throwing SP at us so everyone can do everything No. Choice -> Consequence -> Responsibility to live with consequences. Respecs remove the last part. This is not a game without responsibility. this game is horribly inbalanced with gear being nerfed and buffed all the time. Add in a few empty promices for gear we were supposed to have and never recived, and ppl become very bored with being screwed over 24/7 because they have a class that is being completly ignored by CCP (I.E. heavys, scouts, tanks, dropships and lazer rifles) and classes/gear that they skilled into being nerfed into useless (I.E. tanks, dropships, D tac, lazer, mass driver). No, you should not have to play another 6 months of getting your ass kicked to get another 10 mill SP to fix the **** situiation you were put in. CCP is not improving the classes we play and sometimes make them worse. Oh well, sucks to be those guys. those are the consequances for not buying enough AUR More truth, but be prepared to hear from scrubs that know better than someone actually participating in the game at a high level. sadly. ppl are so narrowminded |
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Ana Mosity
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
35
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Posted - 2013.07.07 19:16:00 -
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The skill point grind is part of the game, it's always been part of the game. Skill points was part of the game when people played in closed beta and it's still part of it now.
You'd think people would have learned by now that choices mattered when spending those precious points. but no. Instead we have a new thread every day with them crying because they are not currently the fotm spec and can't adapt. |
Exmaple Core
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
461
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Posted - 2013.07.07 19:29:00 -
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Ana Mosity wrote:The skill point grind is part of the game, it's always been part of the game. Skill points was part of the game when people played in closed beta and it's still part of it now.
You'd think people would have learned by now that choices mattered when spending those precious points. but no. Instead we have a new thread every day with them crying because they are not currently the fotm spec and can't adapt. So far, if you adapted you get screwed over. CCP makes things extreemly, rediculasly overpowered all the time and when they do, people "adapt" and full spec into it. Tanks were very powerful in chromosome and they were everywere, you couldent do anything without being stomped by tanks. If you werent getting stomped by tanks you were being killed by sharpshooter heavys or lazer rifles, wich were also jus as horribly OP. Upon uprising, they were all nerf hammered so hardcore they are no longer a factor in games and everyone quit using them or playing altogher, depending on their situation with the respec. When uprising hit, the D tac was incredibly OP and everyone and their mom "adapted" and used them. it was nerfed and is much less common. Now the flaylock (aka Godlock) is OP and everyone has one or 2 of these because they are "adapting" and using this OP exploit as well. Whats going to happen next? its going to get nerf hammered and useless, ccp is very good at patterens and not so good at "adapting" to what the players want in balance. So, in conclusion, if you adapt in Dust514, you will get screwed over and wont want to play in that class or maby even at all if you cant respec out of it. Dust needs to "adapt" to its own mistakes and poor gameplay and allow respecs |
Ana Mosity
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
35
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Posted - 2013.07.07 19:35:00 -
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Changes will always happen. Tweaks will always be made because people will always cry nerf and say someone else has it better.
The only people that may ever deserve a respec are heavies. Not because of the guns, but because they literally have one choice when it comes to proto heavy suits.
The weird thing is, a lot of you crying are those that tell new players to man up and deal with the proto stomping. Yet when you feel slightly put out you start crying just as loud only with a bigger sense of smug and entitlement.
Other than, I say stfu and just deal with your choice. |
xLTShinySidesx
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
461
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Posted - 2013.07.07 19:40:00 -
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Yes!! |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
428
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Posted - 2013.07.07 19:41:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:The faster a player gets sp...the faster that player will lose intrest and stop playing dust. The grind aspect is what keeps many players around.
lol. sure it does. Up a bit AFTER GRIND IS SLOWED DOWN
Thanks to 3x sp event. after it's over.. watch the numbers slip back down. Korean mmo loves the grind, but korean mmo aren't FPS. |
BARDAS
DUST University Ivy League
49
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Posted - 2013.07.07 19:47:00 -
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I'm always down for some x3 SP action. Though I do believe there should be AUR only respec with a two week to a month cool down period. The price should also be set somewhat high to discourage repeat use. I'm thinking $10 or $20. Makes good business sense as well. |
Exmaple Core
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
461
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Posted - 2013.07.07 19:48:00 -
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Ana Mosity wrote:Changes will always happen. Tweaks will always be made because people will always cry nerf and say someone else has it better.
The only people that may ever deserve a respec are heavies. Not because of the guns, but because they literally have one choice when it comes to proto heavy suits.
The weird thing is, a lot of you crying are those that tell new players to man up and deal with the proto stomping. Yet when you feel slightly put out you start crying just as loud only with a bigger sense of smug and entitlement.
Other than, I say stfu and just deal with your choice. if it really was "our choices" than yes, i would completly agree with you but it is not just our choices. you just said it yourself, "changes will always happen" and that means YOUR spec is always being messed with. When ppl speced into mass driver, lazer, hmg, any kind of tank or dropship, D tac, they were content untill CCP nerfed them to uselessness. They were changed from what they skilled into them to be, having a decent weapon and then being nerfed to nonfactor is not what ppl signed up for, that is deception at its highest form. You spec into something that is useable, it gets nerfed and you are a nonfactor and dont want to play dust anymore. is that how it should be? is that fair? expescially for the heavy classes, they were promised change and new stuff but instead the HMG gets nerfed, they get no promised gear but everyone else does, and then the one thing heavys get is the pitful, worthless comando. is that fair? cuz this situation can easily happen to other classes. it already has to tanks. Lost the sagaris and surya in Uprising, plus got nerfed, got the equally as useless enforcer tanks, infaintry gets buff to AV, gets more AV weapons, and tanks are told they get pilot suit but dont get it. how bout that, that fair too? would you wanna play like that? nah, what class is next thats gona be screwed over? on a pretty good role on making players gaming experience hell so why not stop. Respecs would solve this promblem |
Ana Mosity
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
35
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Posted - 2013.07.07 19:52:00 -
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If respecs became common occurrences you could then say, why even have skill points or skill trees? Since people could just change whenever.
Sorry, but I don't think people should get them unless it's a seriously major change. Not just a nerf, buff or whatever else. |
Exmaple Core
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
461
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Posted - 2013.07.07 19:57:00 -
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Ana Mosity wrote:If respecs became common occurrences you could then say, why even have skill points or skill trees? Since people could just change whenever.
Sorry, but I don't think people should get them unless it's a seriously major change. Not just a nerf, buff or whatever else.
damn dude, i jus gave actual evidence, facts, that supports my arguement and your jus like "no, i wont let your proof prove to me your right. your wrong." Gonna try and counter point me any? lol cuz respecs dont have to be a common occurance, they could be like once every 6 months, twice a year, something reasonable because yes, if there was respecs there would be a such thing as too many respecs. This way ppl wont be able to skill into whatever they want when they want but can still escape the ****** balancing issuies CCP is having |
Th3rdSun
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
408
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Posted - 2013.07.07 20:00:00 -
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Honestly,I don't really even care anymore.Respec,3x SP,what difference does it really make? The player count is so low that it has no real impact if we get respecs or not.
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