Not really I hardly notice the difference when forge gunning an armor drop ship or a shield dropship.

OMFG..........IWS just QUIT already. You are so f***ing irrelevant it actually makes me physically ill everytime you type/speak. You aren't a presence ingame, you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to just about ANYTHING, and what little "Information" you provide is often misinformation & regurgitated misdirection. You are CCPs f***ing lap dog..... Whatever BS PR Spindig they fecal toss your way you immediately gobble it down & drool out the leftovers for the "Community".

From a Tactical Standpoint you often only see the Size/Shape of the Avatar before an Engagement. You then decide to Shoot or Run based upon the presented Scenario. The Color of the Suit & details of the "Skin" are often the last thing on your mind in a heated firefight, you simply Fight or Flight. And if you had enough time to stare at the Nipple Rings or Crotch Curvature of a Dropsuit for "Tactical Purposes" then you probably had enough time to ADS & read the Analysis/Scan of the ACTUAL DATA, which is far more informative as it contains all of the Data you need at a glance (& is extremely simple to add in).

Placeholders are hardly expensive.... You slap a Color (Or don't, who cares) on a Dural Suit & give it Stats & Slots, a Name, & an Skill Node to sink SP into & viola, new f***ing Dropsuits. Modeling is not needed so the Art Department can take their sweet ass time playing Dress-up or making New Models for New Content (MTAC, Jet, etc) & then play the Crayola Game w/ the Skins afterwards. I mean....are you seriously this dunce & blind of a Fanboy Pet that you defend this POS excuse??? I take it as yes....you are.

Placeholders allow for there to be room to breathe while the Community enjoys Critiquing & Metagaming the **** out of their new toys. Stat Balancing can be done @ a proper pace w/ more Community Involvement as we will have gained experience with the Synergies berween the Variants, thus allowing better informed Balancing Discussions at an accelerated pace. What we have now is a Logistical mess with no Balance while slow trickles of New Suits are thrown into the mix. Commando Suit, Pilot Suit, Weapons, hell even Modules & Equipment that are NEW are being introduced.....yet the Core Variants are left on the backburner.

This now excessively elongates the Balancing Duration & forces a significant chunk of the already burnt-out Community to remain Spec'd into something that is so far off of their chosen Career Path only to retain relevance on the Battlefield. Anyone who hoardes SP for 3 Years, remaining at the bottom of the "Food Chain" & being barred from Competitive Play, still clinging onto "Hope" as they live to be PUBstomped while eagerly awaiting their desired Fitting to be made.....is a Masochistic Blind Fanboy Freerunner. So not only do these ignoramus not contribute to the Developers/Producers/Directors/Etc. (& if they do...they are further gone mentally for Paying to Wait). they also attemp to derail Valuable Discussions by claiming those who don't follow their Mantra of what they call "Patience" to be deserving of wasting their SP.

So not only will introducing Placeholders, promptly followed by a Respec, be significantly more Cost Effective in the long run.....it also frees up Developmental Effort/Time that may further focus on Core & Balancing, allows a feeling of Near-Completion/Variety which boosts Community Morale & Player Retension, prevents a feeling of immediate need for Respec & Reinbursement in the future, & generally enables more valuable Well-Informed Discussions now rather than "SoonGäó". But what the hell do I know.....I haven't had my nasal cavity so far up the rectal orifice that I can smell last week's dinner :P

Not really I hardly notice the difference when forge gunning an armor drop ship or a shield dropship.

OMFG..........IWS just QUIT already. You are so f***ing irrelevant it actually makes me physically ill everytime you type/speak. You aren't a presence ingame, you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to just about ANYTHING, and what little "Information" you provide is often misinformation & regurgitated misdirection. You are CCPs f***ing lap dog..... Whatever BS PR Spindig they fecal toss your way you immediately gobble it down & drool out the leftovers for the "Community".

From a Tactical Standpoint you often only see the Size/Shape of the Avatar before an Engagement. You then decide to Shoot or Run based upon the presented Scenario. The Color of the Suit & details of the "Skin" are often the last thing on your mind in a heated firefight, you simply Fight or Flight. And if you had enough time to stare at the Nipple Rings or Crotch Curvature of a Dropsuit for "Tactical Purposes" then you probably had enough time to ADS & read the Analysis/Scan of the ACTUAL DATA, which is far more informative as it contains all of the Data you need at a glance (& is extremely simple to add in).

Placeholders are hardly expensive.... You slap a Color (Or don't, who cares) on a Dural Suit & give it Stats & Slots, a Name, & an Skill Node to sink SP into & viola, new f***ing Dropsuits. Modeling is not needed so the Art Department can take their sweet ass time playing Dress-up or making New Models for New Content (MTAC, Jet, etc) & then play the Crayola Game w/ the Skins afterwards. I mean....are you seriously this dunce & blind of a Fanboy Pet that you defend this POS excuse??? I take it as yes....you are.

Placeholders allow for there to be room to breathe while the Community enjoys Critiquing & Metagaming the **** out of their new toys. Stat Balancing can be done @ a proper pace w/ more Community Involvement as we will have gained experience with the Synergies berween the Variants, thus allowing better informed Balancing Discussions at an accelerated pace. What we have now is a Logistical mess with no Balance while slow trickles of New Suits are thrown into the mix. Commando Suit, Pilot Suit, Weapons, hell even Modules & Equipment that are NEW are being introduced.....yet the Core Variants are left on the backburner.

This now excessively elongates the Balancing Duration & forces a significant chunk of the already burnt-out Community to remain Spec'd into something that is so far off of their chosen Career Path only to retain relevance on the Battlefield. Anyone who hoardes SP for 3 Years, remaining at the bottom of the "Food Chain" & being barred from Competitive Play, still clinging onto "Hope" as they live to be PUBstomped while eagerly awaiting their desired Fitting to be made.....is a Masochistic Blind Fanboy Freerunner. So not only do these ignoramus not contribute to the Developers/Producers/Directors/Etc. (& if they do...they are further gone mentally for Paying to Wait). they also attemp to derail Valuable Discussions by claiming those who don't follow their Mantra of what they call "Patience" to be deserving of wasting their SP.

So not only will introducing Placeholders, promptly followed by a Respec, be significantly more Cost Effective in the long run.....it also frees up Developmental Effort/Time that may further focus on Core & Balancing, allows a feeling of Near-Completion/Variety which boosts Community Morale & Player Retension, prevents a feeling of immediate need for Respec & Reinbursement in the future, & generally enables more valuable Well-Informed Discussions now rather than "SoonGäó". But what the hell do I know.....I haven't had my nasal cavity so far up the rectal orifice that I can smell last week's dinner :P

Are... you comparing killing a DS to giving heavies a shield variant? >_>

To be fair, we don't have an armor OR shield variant, we have a hybrid that you can tip in one direction or the other (unless you went sentinel lmfao).

I shield tank my heavy and it's pretty nasty.

Yeah I wished they would swap sentinel and commando suit bonuses they seem to fit each other a hell lot better.

Yeah I wished they would swap sentinel and commando suit bonuses they seem to fit each other a hell lot better.

Quick Question about shield tanking a heavy do you use a extender and energizer or just two extenders?

Yeah I wished they would swap sentinel and commando suit bonuses they seem to fit each other a hell lot better.

I propose we give commando's to the medium frames, and just bump them ol' logis up to heavies. It fits the single heavy philosophy, because we only have to have one variant: the caldari. BOOM. Now logi's are fixed, commandos are where they belong, and all is well in no one gives a ****'s ville.

Sarcasm aside, I wish they would scrap basically all the bonuses they have and completely rethink them, nothing feels valuable or unique enough to actually care in most cases.

From IronWolfSaber on IRC:

GG Heavies - we cost too much for them to care about.

I see the Commandos as specialty soldiers able to adapt to the situations in the battlefield

minnesota?

I see Commandos as something that look better on paper than they do in practice, and currently serve no more useful role than mobile AV specialists. (actually, they honestly can't even do that, because who AVs without AV grenades? O.o) The Commando is an SP sink hole through and through :/ ) They'd make halfway descent redline snipers at least.

You're welcome to test it out on the battlefield, my basic Heavy frame vs your Commando. I'll bring my AR, you bring...whatever. Bring friends. I probably won't, but the more the merrier

Hmmm... give me a little bit of time...

it cost ccp 1 million dollars per placeholder which they have to pay sony because Sony owns the system, btw the pilot placeholders are costing ccp alot because they are still there. so they are begging sony to remove them so they don't have to pay for them. well this is what goes off in my mind anyways and probably has some truth because PS2 has everything i as a vehicle user wanted and still have balance. Sony will smite everyone! run for the hills. to bad PS2 is only on PC because mines not that great but hey it only cost 400$.

So let me get this straight:

CPM Tried to get place-holders - got told to eff off - so stopped bringing it up? Regardless of CCP's position it should be hammered the importance of those place holders. You fail as our reps when you give into CCP's fail-logic of "Too much work and money."

I have an idea - take away all the suits variants and put them in the same boat as heavy and watch them be humbled by "Sorry too cost effective" and "Sorry - we don't think it would balance current game."

I'm sure people will just throw money left and right at CCP over it.

Like I said if I had to pick between fighting for placeholders or fighting for new suits I rather fight for getting new heavy suits out. Because CCP cannot stomp on that at all because it is on their to do list. Where as placeholders have been stomped down on and I am not willing to refight that. Now if CCP said like we're getting racial MMCs out before racial heavies I would certainly throw a tantrum then as MCCs are not gameplay objects yet.

I'd just like to be clear that I don't want placeholders.

I want the suits.

And if CCP aims to make me wait another half a year to get them, then they best DAMN make sure they refund the racial SP for Heavy and Scout suits when their racial variants are released.

I'd just like to be clear that I don't want placeholders.

I want the suits.

And if CCP aims to make me wait another half a year to get them, then they best DAMN make sure they refund the racial SP for Heavy and Scout suits when their racial variants are released.

Changing their colors is expensive? Bro, I could do it on Paint.

Item creation and then removal is probably more expensive.

Is it even confirmed that the only thing that holds heavies back is the art department?

To put placeholders into the game we first need them to be essentially finished in design apart from art and i haven't seen anything that suggests that.

Item creation and then removal is probably more expensive.