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SoTa PoP Internal Error. League of Infamy 3188	Posted - 2013.07.06 06:36:00 - [1] - Quote From IronWolfSaber on IRC: Quote: cost effort would be too high to use place holders GG Heavies - we cost too much for them to care about.
Killar-12 Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 14	Posted - 2013.07.06 06:44:00 - [2] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: From IronWolfSaber on IRC: Quote: cost effort would be too high to use place holders GG Heavies - we cost too much for them to care about. Poor Heavie,s you definately should get some assistance from CCP. Side Note: have you tried the commando suit and if so how is it?
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 786	Posted - 2013.07.06 06:52:00 - [3] - Quote Ok when was the last time he said anything worthwhile in regards to the game?
First Prophet Jaguar Empire 227	Posted - 2013.07.06 06:53:00 - [4] - Quote It's hard to get them in a new patch because they're so heavy. The effort of lifting them costs too much.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 148	Posted - 2013.07.06 06:55:00 - [5] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: From IronWolfSaber on IRC: Quote: cost effort would be too high to use place holders GG Heavies - we cost too much for them to care about. Poor Heavies, you definately should get some assistance from CCP. Side Note: have you tried the commando suit and if so how is it? I'm using the Advanced Commando Suit and love it despite some stupidities with the pricing and racial bonus. Though I don't really consider myself a heavy.
Killar-12 Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 14	Posted - 2013.07.06 06:57:00 - [6] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Killar-12 wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: From IronWolfSaber on IRC: Quote: cost effort would be too high to use place holders GG Heavies - we cost too much for them to care about. Poor Heavies, you definately should get some assistance from CCP. Side Note: have you tried the commando suit and if so how is it? I'm using the Advanced Commando Suit and love it despite some stupidities with the pricing and racial bonus. Though I don't really consider myself a heavy. Any comments on good weapon combonations.
God Hates Lags Red Star. EoN. 18	Posted - 2013.07.06 07:01:00 - [7] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Killar-12 wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: From IronWolfSaber on IRC: Quote: cost effort would be too high to use place holders GG Heavies - we cost too much for them to care about. Poor Heavies, you definately should get some assistance from CCP. Side Note: have you tried the commando suit and if so how is it? I'm using the Advanced Commando Suit and love it despite some stupidities with the pricing and racial bonus. Though I don't really consider myself a heavy. Any comments on good weapon combonations? I'm liking my scrambler/mass driver combo. Kills bother shield and armor with impunity.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 148	Posted - 2013.07.06 07:17:00 - [8] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Killar-12 wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: From IronWolfSaber on IRC: Quote: cost effort would be too high to use place holders GG Heavies - we cost too much for them to care about. Poor Heavies, you definately should get some assistance from CCP. Side Note: have you tried the commando suit and if so how is it? I'm using the Advanced Commando Suit and love it despite some stupidities with the pricing and racial bonus. Though I don't really consider myself a heavy. Any comments on good weapon combonations? Personally I'm using the Laser Rifle/Assault Scrambler Rifle Combo. I'm a little stubborn when it comes to my Amarri gear, but I suppose if I skilled into some explosive weapon that'd be nice too. Anyways my main line of thought here is have a weapon for long range and one for mid range, avoid close range. It's been working pretty well for me.
Cody Sietz Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION 376	Posted - 2013.07.06 07:37:00 - [9] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Killar-12 wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: From IronWolfSaber on IRC: Quote: cost effort would be too high to use place holders GG Heavies - we cost too much for them to care about. Poor Heavies, you definately should get some assistance from CCP. Side Note: have you tried the commando suit and if so how is it? I'm using the Advanced Commando Suit and love it despite some stupidities with the pricing and racial bonus. Though I don't really consider myself a heavy. whats the bonus?
hooc roht Deep Space Republic Top Men. 210	Posted - 2013.07.06 07:40:00 - [10] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: From IronWolfSaber on IRC: Quote: cost effort would be too high to use place holders GG Heavies - we cost too much for them to care about. You really should not trust anything Iron Wolf says.

SoTa PoP Internal Error. League of Infamy 3190	Posted - 2013.07.06 07:42:00 - [11] - Quote hooc roht wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: From IronWolfSaber on IRC: Quote: cost effort would be too high to use place holders GG Heavies - we cost too much for them to care about. You really should not trust anything Iron Wolf says. I want to agree But he IS a cpm - who else can we trust? Fire this ***** guy and prove him wrong or prove him right and watch me quit this piece of ** game. Always thought it was balance to why we never got racial suits - shield tanks would be hard as hell to kill - but nope - CCP just doesn't want to work on it to save cash to fix what they broke on uprising. GG
Vane Arcadia ZionTCD 133	Posted - 2013.07.06 07:45:00 - [12] - Quote CCP Hates heavies - always has.
Killar-12 Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 14	Posted - 2013.07.06 07:51:00 - [13] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: hooc roht wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: From IronWolfSaber on IRC: Quote: cost effort would be too high to use place holders GG Heavies - we cost too much for them to care about. You really should not trust anything Iron Wolf says. I want to agree But he IS a cpm - who else can we trust? Fire this ***** guy and prove him wrong or prove him right and watch me quit this piece of ** game. Always thought it was balance to why we never got racial suits - shield tanks would be hard as hell to kill - but nope - CCP just doesn't want to work on it to save cash to fix what they broke on uprising. GG Actually, CCP's finances show that they are doing quite well. IWS is just an idiot, the only CPM's I listen to anymore are Kain and Hans. At times I think IWS has the IQ of a mentally handicapped child.
GET ATMESON NEW AGE EMPIRE The Family Syndicate 12	Posted - 2013.07.06 08:21:00 - [14] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: From IronWolfSaber on IRC: Quote: cost effort would be too high to use place holders GG Heavies - we cost too much for them to care about. Oooooooooooooooo SNAP. I'n not the only one who thinks this. HOLY ** I say the commando suit is NOT a heavy suit. Its total ** and it was just something for to say "OMG TWO LIGHT GUNS. To bad I'm not going to get it. cool idea" Let CCP keep working on assaults, logys, and AR. All they care about. I think everything was better on the range of guns before this stupid patch. Adding range on to all guns really screwed up the HMG. Once heavys get fired up they will start crying on forums. Ill be right besides all of them. I Think there won't be a new real heavy suit until uprising 1.999.... They did give a tease to the guns heavy's will be able to get but its all "TBA" Personally IDGA* about new guns. A shield suit would be so much better. I can wait on new guns. Saving some of this 3x EXP for the new suits to come. They wont give a respec for heavy's when they come out with new suits until ppl cry about it. Again I'll be right with them when it or if it happenes. Keep in mind. CCP treat heavy's like that annoying kid you dont care about but you give him something so they stop crying. I feel left out CCP. Were is are love All of your love is going to the assaults, logys and there guns. Give heavy's some love.
Xero The Mishima Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 10	Posted - 2013.07.06 08:35:00 - [15] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: From IronWolfSaber on IRC: Quote: cost effort would be too high to use place holders GG Heavies - we cost too much for them to care about. You guys have lots of health and super Gatling gun with a Kamehameha gun. How are you not loved?!?
Killar-12 Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 14	Posted - 2013.07.06 08:38:00 - [16] - Quote Xero The Mishima wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: From IronWolfSaber on IRC: Quote: cost effort would be too high to use place holders GG Heavies - we cost too much for them to care about. You guys have lots of health and super Gatling gun with a Kamehameha gun. How are you not loved?!? slow+short range=picked off from afar
Mechoj Nomreps Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 26	Posted - 2013.07.06 08:43:00 - [17] - Quote Xero The Mishima wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: From IronWolfSaber on IRC: Quote: cost effort would be too high to use place holders GG Heavies - we cost too much for them to care about. You guys have lots of health and super Gatling gun with a Kamehameha gun. How are you not loved?!? Yeah, harrassing scouts with a buffed lav and proto heavy outfit and still they are complaining
SoTa PoP Internal Error. League of Infamy 3193	Posted - 2013.07.06 08:43:00 - [18] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Xero The Mishima wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: From IronWolfSaber on IRC: Quote: cost effort would be too high to use place holders GG Heavies - we cost too much for them to care about. You guys have lots of health and super Gatling gun with a Kamehameha gun. How are you not loved?!? slow+short range=picked off from afar not to mention all the easy counters to armor + armor plates being trash. There's a reason we're crying for B-type suits back.
Xero The Mishima Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 10	Posted - 2013.07.06 08:50:00 - [19] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: Killar-12 wrote: Xero The Mishima wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: From IronWolfSaber on IRC: Quote: cost effort would be too high to use place holders GG Heavies - we cost too much for them to care about. You guys have lots of health and super Gatling gun with a Kamehameha gun. How are you not loved?!? slow+short range=picked off from afar not to mention all the easy counters to armor + armor plates being trash. There's a reason we're crying for B-type suits back. Do you even Dust bro?
SoTa PoP Internal Error. League of Infamy 3193	Posted - 2013.07.06 08:51:00 - [20] - Quote Xero The Mishima wrote: Do you even Dust bro? Probably not anymore. And are you really saying armor tanking infantry is viable? LOL

Xero The Mishima Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 10	Posted - 2013.07.06 09:01:00 - [21] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: Xero The Mishima wrote: Do you even Dust bro? Probably not anymore. And are you really saying armor tanking infantry is viable? LOL Lol just doin a little trolling :P I hated when I tried Gallente Assault.
SoTa PoP Internal Error. League of Infamy 3195	Posted - 2013.07.06 09:37:00 - [22] - Quote Remember guys - every time CCP fucks up they have to pay to fix it - which means less content for us. No reason for us to be upset - we should be happy they're fixing core mechanics that they help make worse so we can't get our content/place holders.
Tectonious Falcon Phaze O n e 646	Posted - 2013.07.06 09:38:00 - [23] - Quote I'm beyond caring at this point. CCP hates heavies and they will continue to makes us shittier until everyone is playing assault 514. Seriously, heavies are easily countered, scouts are easily countered, vehicles are easily countered, assaults are great and logis are basically better versions of assault.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 5648	Posted - 2013.07.06 09:56:00 - [24] - Quote As a stark reminder, Heavies are not the only people playing this game. There are so many other things to address for every play style of the game just about that just because one class doesn't have any love doesn't really mean it's underpowered or overpowered or not on the minds of the developer for adjustments. Dust 514 studio is not that large and time spend doing things purposely wrong the first time around is not an efficient use of staff and CCP would rather spend the resources right giving you guys the racial heavies instead 3 new suits that are amarr heavies. After all we seen how CCP has some difficulties pipelining removal of items in the past, no need to get plagued by more script accidents. As for placeholders, when recolored by their specializations and supposive race they're belonging too you're going to wind up with a bunch of guys looking the same on the battlefield and decisions you're making is getting you killed because you thought you saw the wrong shade of blue or green on a gallente sentinel and threw a flux grenade instead of something more appropriate. All and all, CPM had pushed for it (months ago) CCP basically said 'No, we rather to it right.' and left it at that while other things got focused on. Now it may be disheartening to see that there is no mention of new gear suits equipment or vehicles on the 6 month roadmap but CCP Wolfman basically said that new content hasn't been paused for the roadmap so the chances of seeing new things is definitely there when they're ready and it can be anything from new guns to new suits including the missing racials. Afterall things like these can fall under balancing, which itself on the roadmap itself. And btw, go ahead and continue to sell your fantasy CCP hates heavies, you're going to be sorely disappointed.
First Prophet Jaguar Empire 231	Posted - 2013.07.06 09:59:00 - [25] - Quote SoTa_PoP: Ironwolf: I just told you cost effort would be too high to use place holders for heavies.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 5648	Posted - 2013.07.06 10:01:00 - [26] - Quote First Prophet wrote: SoTa_PoP: Ironwolf: I just told you I like hay and corn. Fix'ed
Tectonious Falcon Phaze O n e 646	Posted - 2013.07.06 10:55:00 - [27] - Quote If CCP likes heavies, then why we're we the only frame size to not get racial variants?
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2533	Posted - 2013.07.06 11:03:00 - [28] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: And btw, go ahead and continue to sell your fantasy CCP hates heavies, you're going to be sorely disappointed. "Disappointed"?... no no, being disappointed would require people to care and have hope for anything. At this point, more and more people are starting to give less of a **** for this game, and personally speaking, as a heavy, I am one of them. All well and good the core mechanics are being fixed, but hey, screw the heavies while we're at it. 1 SUIT, ONE SUIT for a whole year of closed beta / open beta / release, and no word on another one. lol... what a joke.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1141	Posted - 2013.07.06 11:34:00 - [29] - Quote I think the idea with placeholders was to put in the skill framework using the current suit. People talked about coloring them this way or that, and that sort of thing IS extra work. It's coming up with some sort of scheme to set apart heavies as different races before the suits all exist. That's bad. That is a waste of time. I was thinking that the code to load the given models/textures would be put in the game, but everywhere it asks for the model/texture... load the exact same pre-existing suit. No extra work, just the code that will be there later, with the commands pointing to the pre-existing file. I think a little same-ness in heavy/light appearance is fine in the service of earlier access to skills.
SoTa PoP Internal Error. League of Infamy 3197	Posted - 2013.07.06 12:06:00 - [30] - Quote Zeylon Rho wrote: I was thinking that the code to load the given models/textures would be put in the game, but everywhere it asks for the model/texture... load the exact same pre-existing suit. No extra work, just the code that will be there later, with the commands pointing to the pre-existing file. I think a little same-ness in heavy/light appearance is fine in the service of earlier access to skills. This is what we pretty much assumed would be happening soon - apparently we were wrong to hope.



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