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Crash Monster wrote:

TheGoebel wrote:

I know it seems like we're just complaining because we are upset children. Well us being upset children is mostly true. Never mind that.

This is hard to ignore -- it drives most other conversation out of the forums.

TheGoebel wrote:

The problem for me, and I maybe for the rest, is we made a reasonable argument based much discussion as well as providing mathematical proof of the issue.

We had been told on multiple occasions that this was an important issue to CCP and that the work we had done had been forwarded to the DEVS. Here's a link were I gathered some other lip service that we have received.

What makes you think the devs are not aware of our opinions on this matter?

TheGoebel wrote:

It's upsetting because I invested into this and was given false expectations. Its upsetting because I thought I was playing the game, not whining, not spamming, just showing support to the balance issue. Now that I know that doesn't work, why not try the whining and the spamming?

There are a lot of conflicting opinions on any particular issue. If CCP does not choose your opinion for implementation refer to your first point above. Yes, it is mostly true... and no, I don't mean to be directing that specifically at you. It's all over the forums every day.

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TheGoebel Kite Co. Couriers 19	Posted - 2013.07.04 19:27:00 - [1] - Quote Hey! Would you like to craft an incredibly intelligent argument for a game you love? Would that argument be a big part of making the game better and balanced? Well don't do it for CCP! They'll see it and forget it. https://twitter.com/lolerk53/status/352058561611837443
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 923	Posted - 2013.07.04 19:29:00 - [2] - Quote How the hell does he have the time to whine all over twitter and here at the same time?
TheGoebel Kite Co. Couriers 20	Posted - 2013.07.04 19:30:00 - [3] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: How the hell does he have the time to whine all over twitter and here at the same time? Skillz? Does it matter? He isn't the only one let down by these actions.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1346	Posted - 2013.07.04 19:31:00 - [4] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: How the hell does he have the time to whine all over twitter and here at the same time? Surely we stand in the presence of one who transcends time itself...
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 923	Posted - 2013.07.04 19:32:00 - [5] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Surely we stand in the presence of one who transcends time itself... Must be a violation of the clone laws involved here.
TheGoebel Kite Co. Couriers 20	Posted - 2013.07.04 19:32:00 - [6] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Crash Monster wrote: How the hell does he have the time to whine all over twitter and here at the same time? Surely we stand in the presence of one who transcends time itself... Honestly, this wasn't my expected response. I wanted marching in the streets. But the revelation of a time traveler in our mists is pretty cool too.
Jin Robot Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 1223	Posted - 2013.07.04 19:33:00 - [7] - Quote Who knows how big the litter was. Maybe there are 8 of him.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 923	Posted - 2013.07.04 19:34:00 - [8] - Quote TheGoebel wrote: Honestly, this wasn't my expected response. I wanted marching in the streets. But the revelation of a time traveler in our mists is pretty cool too. I hate to mix genres on you but "was this is not the drama you were looking for?" EDIT: Better with was in it.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. League of Infamy 535	Posted - 2013.07.04 19:35:00 - [9] - Quote He's just not a very good player. I'm hearing glowing reviews of the new plates. Some people are better at talking about things than actually doing them.
Xaviah Reaper Uptown.OTF Only The Famous 0	Posted - 2013.07.04 19:37:00 - [10] - Quote may i point out that issues related to skill points being placed into skills that have been changed for the worse, would be sorted with a simple respec system that players can use in-game. it would allow you to avoid new horrible module updates

TheGoebel Kite Co. Couriers 22	Posted - 2013.07.04 19:38:00 - [11] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: He's just not a very good player. I'm hearing glowing reviews of the new plates. Some people are better at talking about things than actually doing them. Please link reviews. I am not having much fun with them.
Cat Merc Oculus Felis 1707	Posted - 2013.07.04 19:39:00 - [12] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: He's just not a very good player. I'm hearing glowing reviews of the new plates. Some people are better at talking about things than actually doing them. Glowing reviews from Caldari. These plates are the best thing ever for shield tankers, but garbage for armor tankers. Well, except for that glitch in the math that makes them reduce the speed penalty that normal plates do.
TheGoebel Kite Co. Couriers 22	Posted - 2013.07.04 19:40:00 - [13] - Quote Xaviah Reaper wrote: may i point out that issues related to skill points being placed into skills that have been changed for the worse, would be sorted with a simple respec system that players can use in-game. it would allow you to avoid new horrible module updates I asked for a respec, they said I had to ask before the 31st, I explained that I didn't know they were going to kitten me until the 2nd. I don't have time travelling skillz.
Cat Merc Oculus Felis 1707	Posted - 2013.07.04 19:41:00 - [14] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: How the hell does he have the time to whine all over twitter and here at the same time? The point here is that I linked this thread weeks before Uprising 1.2. What happend? Caldari were buffed -_-
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 924	Posted - 2013.07.04 19:47:00 - [15] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Crash Monster wrote: How the hell does he have the time to whine all over twitter and here at the same time? The point here is that I linked this thread weeks before Uprising 1.2. What happend? Caldari were buffed -_- I know, I know, our forum comments are supposed to be relayed from our keyboards to the developers desks... but the Jovians hacked our comms and sent alternate instructions just for yuks.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 924	Posted - 2013.07.04 19:50:00 - [16] - Quote TheGoebel wrote: Xaviah Reaper wrote: may i point out that issues related to skill points being placed into skills that have been changed for the worse, would be sorted with a simple respec system that players can use in-game. it would allow you to avoid new horrible module updates I asked for a respec, they said I had to ask before the 31st, I explained that I didn't know they were going to kitten me until the 2nd. I don't have time travelling skillz. Honestly, I'm not getting any bonuses from anything this release... the scout has not seen a lot of love lately either. I don't really think subjecting everyone to my complaints day in and day out is the way to handle the situation.
Cat Merc Oculus Felis 1708	Posted - 2013.07.04 19:55:00 - [17] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Crash Monster wrote: How the hell does he have the time to whine all over twitter and here at the same time? The point here is that I linked this thread weeks before Uprising 1.2. What happend? Caldari were buffed -_- I know, I know, our forum comments are supposed to be relayed from our keyboards to the developers desks... but the Jovians hacked our comms and sent alternate instructions just for yuks. Actually, I gave it to mintchip and asked for it to be relayed to the developers. She said yes. So yeah, this SHOULD have been relayed to the developers :\
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 924	Posted - 2013.07.04 19:57:00 - [18] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Actually, I gave it to mintchip and asked for it to be relayed to the developers. She said yes. So yeah, this SHOULD have been relayed to the developers :\ I think you missed my point...
TheGoebel Kite Co. Couriers 22	Posted - 2013.07.04 19:59:00 - [19] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: I know, I know, our forum comments are supposed to be relayed from our keyboards to the developers desks... but the Jovians hacked our comms and sent alternate instructions just for yuks. Crash Monster wrote: Honestly, I'm not getting any bonuses from anything this release... the scout has not seen a lot of love lately either. I don't really think subjecting everyone to my complaints day in and day out is the way to handle the situation. I know it seems like we're just complaining because we are upset children. Well us being upset children is mostly true. Never mind that. The problem for me, and I maybe for the rest, is we made a reasonable argument based much discussion as well as providing mathematical proof of the issue. We had been told on multiple occasions that this was an important issue to CCP and that the work we had done had been forwarded to the DEVS. Here's a link were I gathered some other lip service that we have received. It's upsetting because I invested into this and was given false expectations. Its upsetting because I thought I was playing the game, not whining, not spamming, just showing support to the balance issue. Now that I know that doesn't work, why not try the whining and the spamming?
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 926	Posted - 2013.07.04 20:02:00 - [20] - Quote TheGoebel wrote: I know it seems like we're just complaining because we are upset children. Well us being upset children is mostly true. Never mind that. This is hard to ignore -- it drives most other conversation out of the forums. TheGoebel wrote: The problem for me, and I maybe for the rest, is we made a reasonable argument based much discussion as well as providing mathematical proof of the issue. We had been told on multiple occasions that this was an important issue to CCP and that the work we had done had been forwarded to the DEVS. Here's a link were I gathered some other lip service that we have received. What makes you think the devs are not aware of our opinions on this matter? TheGoebel wrote: It's upsetting because I invested into this and was given false expectations. Its upsetting because I thought I was playing the game, not whining, not spamming, just showing support to the balance issue. Now that I know that doesn't work, why not try the whining and the spamming? There are a lot of conflicting opinions on any particular issue. If CCP does not choose your opinion for implementation refer to your first point above. Yes, it is mostly true... and no, I don't mean to be directing that specifically at you. It's all over the forums every day.

TheGoebel Kite Co. Couriers 23	Posted - 2013.07.04 20:17:00 - [21] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: What makes you think the devs are not aware of our opinions on this matter? That's the frustrating part. If you follow the link provided before you'll see that the devs are aware. Are interested in resolving it but the don' t provide any information, when they did it was by accident. Crash Monster wrote: There are a lot of conflicting opinions on any particular issue. If CCP does not choose your opinion for implementation refer to your first point above. Yes, it is mostly true... and no, I don't mean to be directing that specifically at you. It's all over the forums every day. I like this, it got my brain goop moving. If I think my opinion is wrong and another option could be a better option, why would I stand behind my original opinion? On top of that we were told the modules in 1.2 were going to help solve the issue at hand (again see the post I linked above.) Since those modules really didn't solve the issue maybe I can intuit there is no issue. But then why was I told it was going to solve? Did the solve an issue I didn't know I had? Oh god! I'M TOO DEEP!
Cat Merc Oculus Felis 1713	Posted - 2013.07.04 20:21:00 - [22] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: TheGoebel wrote: I know it seems like we're just complaining because we are upset children. Well us being upset children is mostly true. Never mind that. This is hard to ignore -- it drives most other conversation out of the forums. TheGoebel wrote: The problem for me, and I maybe for the rest, is we made a reasonable argument based much discussion as well as providing mathematical proof of the issue. We had been told on multiple occasions that this was an important issue to CCP and that the work we had done had been forwarded to the DEVS. Here's a link were I gathered some other lip service that we have received. What makes you think the devs are not aware of our opinions on this matter? TheGoebel wrote: It's upsetting because I invested into this and was given false expectations. Its upsetting because I thought I was playing the game, not whining, not spamming, just showing support to the balance issue. Now that I know that doesn't work, why not try the whining and the spamming? There are a lot of conflicting opinions on any particular issue. If CCP does not choose your opinion for implementation refer to your first point above. Yes, it is mostly true... and no, I don't mean to be directing that specifically at you. It's all over the forums every day. >Opinions That thread gave them mathematical proof. Math isn't about opinions, this is fact, armor tanking is worse than shield tanking, no other way to put it.
TheGoebel Kite Co. Couriers 23	Posted - 2013.07.04 20:26:00 - [23] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: >Opinions That thread gave them mathematical proof. Math isn't about opinions, this is fact, armor tanking is worse than shield tanking, no other way to put it. That's another good point, I should say so cause I'm your alt. It wasn't based on experiences or discrepancies in game design theory. It was mostly just math.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 930	Posted - 2013.07.04 20:57:00 - [24] - Quote Spreadsheet nerds shouldn't design games.
Poplo Furuya Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 193	Posted - 2013.07.04 21:03:00 - [25] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: Spreadsheet nerds shouldn't design games. Exactly, CCP has no business being in game design.
TheGoebel Kite Co. Couriers 24	Posted - 2013.07.04 21:06:00 - [26] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: Spreadsheet nerds shouldn't design games. Ha Ha. I guess I agree? However when explaining the issue math is the only constant. We don't have the capability to draw a sample of players, test them on their experiences and then provide that as evidence. The best part of your comment is that according to you the forum is filled with whining children but those who don't whine but use logic to craft arguments are also wrong. I think you just don't like people.
Poplo Furuya Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 194	Posted - 2013.07.04 21:14:00 - [27] - Quote More seriously, maths is the fallback for hard analysis after getting a feel for things in the field. It's to explore initial impressions, try and get further insight and establish a hard case. Can also give rise to further insights that then can feed back into field testing. Hardly any of the 'spreadsheet nerds' have been operating from a disconnected ivory tower. Well, except maybe CCP? My earlier comment was a joke but hey, how many of those running the game have a standard no-priveleges account running to give 'em a perspective from ground level? Who knows.
Cat Merc Oculus Felis 1723	Posted - 2013.07.04 21:20:00 - [28] - Quote TheGoebel wrote: Crash Monster wrote: Spreadsheet nerds shouldn't design games. Ha Ha. I guess I agree? However when explaining the issue math is the only constant. We don't have the capability to draw a sample of players, test them on their experiences and then provide that as evidence. The best part of your comment is that according to you the forum is filled with whining children but those who don't whine but use logic to craft arguments are also wrong. I think you just don't like people. You just figured it out?
DeadlyAztec11 Max-Pain-inc 627	Posted - 2013.07.04 21:56:00 - [29] - Quote Haha-hahahahaha :D I applaud his commitment. Good day.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 932	Posted - 2013.07.04 22:27:00 - [30] - Quote TheGoebel wrote: I think you just don't like people. As well as that... we all have the windmills that we tilt against. Seriously though, seing as you are trying to counter my nonsense with reality, you will not find any issue of substance that seems to get a widespread consensus across the user base. I find it hard to imagine CCP picking sides instead of building the game they want and keeping an eye our for things they didn't notice (after the fact). Listening is not -- tell us how we should build the game we've got in our heads. Listening is, hey, we hear you, we made a big mistake, or a little one, and now we'll fix it. In this case, we're getting drops for things. Some will suit particular races and roles. This is going to go on for quite a while and whomever did not get what they personally want will QQ like a 7 year old for a while afterward. Often, these same folks will play the game in the new configuration and either change their mind or have a large bunch of folks that they are full of ****.



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