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calisk galern
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Posted - 2013.07.04 17:27:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:Ares 514 wrote: , i just hope that next time you do a 3x event you remember to start it on Wednesday and avoid these issues entirely. There is no reason to create the confusion that this event caused and the potential for bugs which drains your resources that could be better spent on other items by just thinking ahead. Lesson learned.... right?
source?
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Poplo Furuya
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.04 17:27:00 -
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Jaqen Morghalis wrote:DRDEEZENUTSZ TWOpointo wrote:Vickers S Grunt wrote:Man walks in to a shop and asks for loaf of bread
Shopkeeper says "Hey this is your lucky day if u buy 1 loaf i will give u 2 more totally free "
Man inspects free bread " This is outrageous one of these free loafs has 1 slice missing !!! i will never shop here again !!" Then storms out of shop knocking over bread display and kicking door open on way out .
Shopkeeper looks at mess shakes head and says " Hu ! i guess that's the last free bread i ever give away " No it's more like the free breed is spoiled And he takes and gets sick. Did you get sick from the lack of bonus SP? Is this something I should be concerned about? This could be serious! Do I need a vaccination? This analogy is like an energetic person going into a tire shop and demanding they sell them something to dull their vivacity. |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
1341
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Posted - 2013.07.04 17:28:00 -
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On the topic of SP...
Rollover SP would've been great for those unable to cap this week... Just sayin' |
Altina McAlterson
Not Guilty EoN.
606
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Posted - 2013.07.04 17:29:00 -
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Here's how I see the situation and I'm curious to understand exactly where the disconnect is what I'm thinking and what everyone else has been thinking because every time I tried to understand what people thought was going on the more confused I got.
So as I see it the weekly cap is 190,400 SP. On Wednesday if earned that much SP you would hit the soft cap and earn 1 SP per WP up to 1,000 SP. On Thursday the weekly cap would be increased from 190,400 to 571,200 SP. At this point there is no "remainder" or anything else. There's simply more SP to be earned before you hit the cap. Same as if you don't cap out in a single day and come back the next day. You continue earning SP until you hit the cap, it's just that simple. So no matter what day you earned the SP, how much you got this day vs that day or whether or not the rate has been tripled yet or not makes absolutely no difference. The absolute maximum every player will earn before hitting the soft cap is 571,200 SP. So would someone explain how you could possibly "lose" SP by playing on Wednesday?
And as for the "multiplying" or "adding" thing I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about at all. The only thing being multiplied is the amount of SP you get per WP (maybe time in match as well, don't know and doesn't matter). For example after hitting the soft cap you have to earn at least 1,000 WP to earn the full 1,000 SP. During the triple SP event you would only have to earn 334 WP to earn 1,000 SP since 334 x 3 = 1,002.
And I'm assuming that it wouldn't make a difference whether they started on Wednesday or Thursday is because all they were doing is changing those two values. However, those values most likely occur several times in the game's code and interact with multiple aspects of the software. One of those interactions was overlooked or entered incorrectly or already contained an unnoticed bug that is causing the behavior we're seeing. Or maybe each instance on those values needed to be changed manually and one got missed or entered incorrectly.
So anyway, that's just how I see this whole situation and the reason I feel like I'm on a different page than a lot of players. |
Rupture Reaperson
Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.04 17:31:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:the sad thing is... this rewards the people who dont want to play their game and punishes those who do.
its like a trifecta of fail.
I expected no less regarding this... and I just find it hilarious now.
I hope they fix it... I would expect a fix sometime on downtime saturday or sunday.
They wont take the servers offline, it'll affect all the eve players who are home on the 4th playing.. so no way we're seeing a fix today. That why I only played A game just to see what was the whole new patch was about gonna pop a booster on staurday and chillax, FYI I dont like the current headshot sound, last one was better. |
Noc Tempre
Internal Error.
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Posted - 2013.07.04 17:36:00 -
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Nin Ker wrote:Yes.
You are all bitching about not getting x3 today because you grinded out the weekly cap yesterday. Am I right?
True CCP said one thing, but so many people predicted exactly this would happen but people took on the grind yesterday. Rather than wait a mere 24 hours.
Did I miss anything?
Funny how people feel entitled even though this is all free.
It's not free if you paid money to take advantage of it. You may have no right to complain but I certainly do. |
calisk galern
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Posted - 2013.07.04 17:40:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:Here's how I see the situation and I'm curious to understand exactly where the disconnect is what I'm thinking and what everyone else has been thinking because every time I tried to understand what people thought was going on the more confused I got.
So as I see it the weekly cap is 190,400 SP. On Wednesday if earned that much SP you would hit the soft cap and earn 1 SP per WP up to 1,000 SP. On Thursday the weekly cap would be increased from 190,400 to 571,200 SP. At this point there is no "remainder" or anything else. There's simply more SP to be earned before you hit the cap. Same as if you don't cap out in a single day and come back the next day. You continue earning SP until you hit the cap, it's just that simple. So no matter what day you earned the SP, how much you got this day vs that day or whether or not the rate has been tripled yet or not makes absolutely no difference. The absolute maximum every player will earn before hitting the soft cap is 571,200 SP. So would someone explain how you could possibly "lose" SP by playing on Wednesday?
And as for the "multiplying" or "adding" thing I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about at all. The only thing being multiplied is the amount of SP you get per WP (maybe time in match as well, don't know and doesn't matter). For example after hitting the soft cap you have to earn at least 1,000 WP to earn the full 1,000 SP. During the triple SP event you would only have to earn 334 WP to earn 1,000 SP since 334 x 3 = 1,002.
And I'm assuming that it wouldn't make a difference whether they started on Wednesday or Thursday is because all they were doing is changing those two values. However, those values most likely occur several times in the game's code and interact with multiple aspects of the software. One of those interactions was overlooked or entered incorrectly or already contained an unnoticed bug that is causing the behavior we're seeing. Or maybe each instance on those values needed to be changed manually and one got missed or entered incorrectly.
So anyway, that's just how I see this whole situation and the reason I feel like I'm on a different page than a lot of players.
i'll try to explain it again then.
As mentioned by you the standard weekly cap is 190,400 sp. with this event the target cap for the week is to be set at 571,200. This is exactly triple the standard weekly cap
So let's say I earned 90400 sp on Wednesday bringing my remaining sp to earn for the week down to 100k sp.
what should of occured as per the devs comments is as follows 380800 sp should of been added to our caps. bringing the total sp remaining to 480800sp
instead the 100k was tripled bringing the remaining sp total to 300k.
hopefully you can follow this logic so far.
so now let's step back to immediately after Wednesdays reset.
I now have 190,400 sp cap remaining
multiplied by 3 which is what occured
190400 x 3 = 571,200sp which is the weekly target
additive results is as follows
190400 + 380800 = 571,200sp which again is the weekly target.
as you can see if done after the patch their is no chance for the problem to occur, and we can look at the previous triple sp event to see that no problem occurred during that event, when applied immediately after down time. |
Magewarlord
HavoK Core RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.04 17:44:00 -
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dust dev wrote:
#111 Posted: 2013.07.04 14:09 | Report Like 11
Guys, we'll make sure you won't lose out on SP because of this. Please don't resort to ranting or shouting. We'll get it resolved. |
NomaDz 2K
Internal Error.
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Posted - 2013.07.04 17:44:00 -
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Still gaining a max of 1500 sp no 3x sp still |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
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Posted - 2013.07.04 17:45:00 -
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NomaDz 2K wrote:Still gaining a max of 1500 sp no 3x sp still
it doesn't increase the post game results.
it does in fact make it easier to get 1500sp though.
if you get 500wp you will still get 1500sp post game. |
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NomaDz 2K
Internal Error.
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Posted - 2013.07.04 17:49:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:NomaDz 2K wrote:Still gaining a max of 1500 sp no 3x sp still it doesn't increase the post game results. it does in fact make it easier to get 1500sp though. if you get 500wp you will still get 1500sp post game.
Its BS and u know it. " Triple SP Event
Starting on July 4 and ending on July 10, we will be hosting a Triple Skill Point Event for all players who log in to play. During the event period your skill point cap will be tripled and your skill booster bonuses are stacked with the triple skill point reward. DonGÇÖt miss out on this great opportunity to earn extra skill points and get that level 5 skill that youGÇÖve been training for.
Here's some details on the Triple SP event that you will want to know:
The weekly SP cap will reset on Wednesday, July 3rd as usual after DT. If you hit your weekly in the first day then you will still be eligible for the extended SP cap for the event on Thursday." |
calisk galern
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Posted - 2013.07.04 17:52:00 -
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NomaDz 2K wrote:calisk galern wrote:NomaDz 2K wrote:Still gaining a max of 1500 sp no 3x sp still it doesn't increase the post game results. it does in fact make it easier to get 1500sp though. if you get 500wp you will still get 1500sp post game. Its BS and u know it. " Triple SP Event Starting on July 4 and ending on July 10, we will be hosting a Triple Skill Point Event for all players who log in to play. During the event period your skill point cap will be tripled and your skill booster bonuses are stacked with the triple skill point reward. DonGÇÖt miss out on this great opportunity to earn extra skill points and get that level 5 skill that youGÇÖve been training for. Here's some details on the Triple SP event that you will want to know: The weekly SP cap will reset on Wednesday, July 3rd as usual after DT. If you hit your weekly in the first day then you will still be eligible for the extended SP cap for the event on Thursday."
I'm just telling you how it operated last time we had this event, and it's not a bug it's intentional.
the weekly cap is increased by 3x, not each individual games cap.
past that we do in fact still earn triple sp in the games, but only up to our caps. |
Bob Teller
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.07.04 17:53:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:Bob Teller wrote:Flyingconejo wrote:Bob Teller wrote:Was it that hard not to play for 1 day? Was it that hard to make the 3x SP event start on Wednesday? Because that was the easiest path, and would have prevented this situation. Not everyone visits the forums or reads newsletters, so not everyone was aware that the event even existed, much less when it was supposed to start. And by the way, some of us have PC matches we have to attend. On the same note, was it that hard to just respec everyone at the same time a month and a half ago? I'm sorry, but it seems as if CCP loves to make things complicated for itself and us, just for the sake of it. Most of the people complaining about it caped out yesturday,,,so i'm gonna take a wild guess and say most of these persons are try hards that are very aware of what is going on the forums.They played 12 hours yesturday and now the nerd rage is coming,hide your childrens!!!! if you read it most of the people in this thread didnt cap out yesterday and maybe got anywhere from 40-150k sp yesterday, a rare few are the tryhards. its the tryhards that diddnt play yesterday Ok,,,lets be honest please,if you just played a bit yesturday,you dont lose much sp and it should not matter to you.Of course try hards played 12 hours yesturday(like you probably did) to get their(free)190k sp.So yeah... |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
695
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Posted - 2013.07.04 17:55:00 -
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lol... i told you so. LMAO. im sooooooo happy to see all of this. also hey ccp eterne i really hate the signing at the bottom so why start now the another ccp dev is doing? and to everyone else thanks for the laughs, it brighten my day to see all the tears. |
T4K3RoftheSOUL
Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack
22
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Posted - 2013.07.04 18:07:00 -
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You know, I really felt this game was going to be great. But, CCP. ITS A FCUKING CATASTROPHIC FAIL. I had high hopes. It will get better. Wrong. You nerf everything, then people btich and complain so you buff it back. You promise 3x so and didn't come through as promised. Yes you are working on it but, myself, as a gamer that had such high hopes for the game feel as if you have had enough time and going to step back from the game until you get your shti figured out. |
mollerz
Minja Scouts
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Posted - 2013.07.04 18:08:00 -
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ladwar wrote:lol... i told you so. LMAO. im sooooooo happy to see all of this. also hey ccp eterne i really hate the signing at the bottom so why start now that another ccp dev is doing? and to everyone else thanks for the laughs, it brighten my day to see all the tears.
really? wow.
I guess it's the little things, right? phew. Thanks for making me feel grateful I have so much in my life that is rewarding my day isn't made by people being unhappy about their entertainment.
A girl or boyfriend might do you some good. But you'll have to ditch the horrible perosnality or no one will like you |
Kinky Burrito
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
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Posted - 2013.07.04 18:09:00 -
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ladwar wrote:lol... i told you so. LMAO. im sooooooo happy to see all of this. also hey ccp eterne i really hate the signing at the bottom so why start now that another ccp dev is doing? and to everyone else thanks for the laughs, it brighten my day to see all the tears.
Here we see the nasty little bitter troll in its natural habitat. Note the glee we see from its little victories on the forums, no doubt compensating for its lack of victories in game. |
KING SALASI
MAJOR DISTRIBUTION
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Posted - 2013.07.04 18:09:00 -
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This thread was funny good read while i ate some food. Just a thought you dudes need to go outside or something. Why in the hell would grind for one day lol, knowing triple SP is coming? Well im going outside to take in some sun.
Peace |
Enyalius God
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.07.04 18:10:00 -
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Here is the official response and calm down
Hello,
Thank you for contacting DUST 514 Customer Support.
If you hit the cap on Wed, then from after Thu downtime, you could still earn SP as part of Triple SP week event. Your weekly SP gain will not reset again on Thu but added to the SP you earned on Wed.
Without boosters, the total amount of SP you could earn is 571,200 SP.
For more information about this, please see the link below.
http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/07/weapons-free-with-dust-514-events-in-july-and-august/
If you have any additional questions or matters we can assist with, please let us know.
Best Regards, GM Avantgarde CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | DUST 514 |
jamstar saa187
Imperial Populicide Legion Alpha Wolf Pack
18
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Posted - 2013.07.04 18:10:00 -
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for all of the people debating the logic behind the start time for this event (Wednesday vs. Thursday):
to be fair, if CCP was thinking about it, they should have started this event on Wednesday, IMHO. yeah i get that they wanted to get the 4th July crowd, and have like a mini event to honour the USA's holiday (i guess), but if they thought it through they would realise that a player who has the 4th off to play most likely has the evening/night of the 3rd to play/grind through the SP also (as like, there's no work on the 4th to go to), hence creating a greater likelihood of what we are seeing today.
again, it sucks for you guys who's out of pocket (for boosters, AUR weapons etc.) and time spent. i hope CCP is keeping a log of these mishaps, and ensures that these problems remain a one off.
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calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
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Posted - 2013.07.04 18:10:00 -
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T4K3RoftheSOUL wrote:You know, I really felt this game was going to be great. But, CCP. ITS A FCUKING CATASTROPHIC FAIL. I had high hopes. It will get better. Wrong. You nerf everything, then people btich and complain so you buff it back. You promise 3x so and didn't come through as promised. Yes you are working on it but, myself, as a gamer that had such high hopes for the game feel as if you have had enough time and going to step back from the game until you get your shti figured out.
meh I'm upset at it, but I'm not that mad.
seriously it's just a simple mistake that will be resolved tomorrow(( maybe..... )), it could and should of been resolved as soon as the mistake was noticed, and this is honestly going to screw some people over, but really it's just another small annoyance. |
Kinky Burrito
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
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Posted - 2013.07.04 18:14:00 -
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KING SALASI wrote:This thread was funny good read while i ate some food. Just a thought you dudes need to go outside or something. Why in the hell would grind for one day lol, knowing triple SP is coming? Well im going outside to take in some sun.
Peace
Maybe because some of us have lives and don't get to pick and choose which days we get to sit around and play video games all day? We have jobs, friends, significant others. You know, things you might have one day. |
Shrapnels
The Order 1886
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Posted - 2013.07.04 18:17:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:i added more links with even MORE confirmation from blues that this wouldnt happen
hahahahaha SUCKER !!!!!!!!!!
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GVGISDEAD
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2013.07.04 18:17:00 -
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It not an extraordinary circumstance anymore. Since CCP is an expert at fixing 1~2 things and breaking the mechanics of 10+. |
Altina McAlterson
Not Guilty EoN.
606
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Posted - 2013.07.04 18:24:00 -
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Shrapnels wrote:
........and yeah 150 x 3 is actually 450
? |
Noc Tempre
Internal Error.
2073
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Posted - 2013.07.04 18:37:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:calisk galern wrote:what?
how do you plan to track the sp earned by the players already at the cap?
what if today was the only day some players had to play and thus get sp?
sucks to be them? This is unfortunately a problem I'm not sure we'll be able to do much about other than apologize. I'll see if we can do anything for those folks, but I can't promise anything.
And what about Booster refunds? Not everyone needs a week to cap. |
Altina McAlterson
Not Guilty EoN.
606
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Posted - 2013.07.04 18:42:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:
i'll try to explain it again then.
As mentioned by you the standard weekly cap is 190,400 sp. with this event the target cap for the week is to be set at 571,200. This is exactly triple the standard weekly cap
So let's say I earned 90400 sp on Wednesday bringing my remaining sp to earn for the week down to 100k sp.
what should of occured as per the devs comments is as follows 380800 sp should of been added to our caps. bringing the total sp remaining to 480800sp
instead the 100k was tripled bringing the remaining sp total to 300k.
hopefully you can follow this logic so far.
so now let's step back to immediately after Wednesdays reset.
I now have 190,400 sp cap remaining
multiplied by 3 which is what occured
190400 x 3 = 571,200sp which is the weekly target
additive results is as follows
190400 + 380800 = 571,200sp which again is the weekly target.
as you can see if done after the patch their is no chance for the problem to occur, and we can look at the previous triple sp event to see that no problem occurred during that event, when applied immediately after down time.
I'm not following your logic because it's actually nonsense. You're saying that earning 90,400 SP when the cap is 190,400 leaves you 100,000 more to go which is fine.
But then you add 380,800 to the cap which is technically what you are doing since you've increased it by that amount. But then you add how much SP you had remaining with the previous cap to the amount that you just increased the cap by. Which I have no idea what that is or what it means.
If you have 90,400 SP and the cap is 571,400 that leaves 481,000 SP left before you hit the cap. Could you explain exactly why you think it isn't that?
I've got nothing else to do at the moment and I really do enjoy a good debate but honestly trying to sort out what you meant with the arithmetic and multiplication is just too much for volunteer work so I'll just leave it here. |
chill amarr
Austrian Tactical Hacker Corp
1
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Posted - 2013.07.04 18:43:00 -
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lolz ,now ive get no tripple sp anymore so theres maybe some hope 4 my 'lost' sp today... |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
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Posted - 2013.07.04 18:45:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:
If you have 90,400 SP and the cap is 571,400 that leaves 481,000 SP left before you hit the cap. Could you explain exactly why you think it isn't that?
I've got nothing else to do at the moment and I really do enjoy a good debate but honestly trying to sort out what you meant with the arithmetic and multiplication is just too much for volunteer work so I'll just leave it here.
because the total weekly cap is 571200sp not 571400sp |
We are 138
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.07.04 18:49:00 -
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Damn it all. |
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