DUST Search - If you played yesterday you lost SP we were lied to

calisk galern wrote:

i'll try to explain it again then.

As mentioned by you the standard weekly cap is 190,400 sp. with this event the target cap for the week is to be set at 571,200. This is exactly triple the standard weekly cap

So let's say I earned 90400 sp on Wednesday bringing my remaining sp to earn for the week down to 100k sp.

what should of occured as per the devs comments is as follows 380800 sp should of been added to our caps. bringing the total sp remaining to 480800sp

instead the 100k was tripled bringing the remaining sp total to 300k.

hopefully you can follow this logic so far.

so now let's step back to immediately after Wednesdays reset.

I now have 190,400 sp cap remaining

multiplied by 3 which is what occured

190400 x 3 = 571,200sp which is the weekly target

additive results is as follows

190400 + 380800 = 571,200sp which again is the weekly target.

as you can see if done after the patch their is no chance for the problem to occur, and we can look at the previous triple sp event to see that no problem occurred during that event, when applied immediately after down time.


Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 9 post(s)
Altina McAlterson Not Guilty EoN. 599	Posted - 2013.07.04 12:39:00 - [1] - Quote You weren't lied to, they screwed something up. They'll fix it. EDIT: For the DEV team: I capped out yesterday and today I am getting 3 SP per WP but I still max out at 1,000 just like normal. Just so you know.
Altina McAlterson Not Guilty EoN. 600	Posted - 2013.07.04 13:04:00 - [2] - Quote I'm still capped out at the moment and maxing out at 1,500 SP per match so it's most definitely broken.
Altina McAlterson Not Guilty EoN. 601	Posted - 2013.07.04 13:40:00 - [3] - Quote Sir kill2119 wrote: derp No one cares.
Altina McAlterson Not Guilty EoN. 603	Posted - 2013.07.04 15:11:00 - [4] - Quote Kinky Burrito wrote: Nin Ker wrote: Yes. You are all bitching about not getting x3 today because you grinded out the weekly cap yesterday. Am I right? True CCP said one thing, but so many people predicted exactly this would happen but people took on the grind yesterday. Rather than wait a mere 24 hours. Did I miss anything? Funny how people feel entitled even though this is all free. It is not free. They use a free to play business model. If they accept money from people, it is NOT A FREE GAME. In fact, if you were to run boosters every month, it actually costs more to play this game than EVE. And yet it can be played without paying any money for it? But it still isn't free? 'Tis Gypsy magic I say!
Altina McAlterson Not Guilty EoN. 603	Posted - 2013.07.04 15:54:00 - [5] - Quote Spycrab Potato wrote: Chances Ghost wrote: thy need to take the server offline, rollback to what things were at downtime, then just run a script to add 380k to everyones bonus sp its simple, its easy but if they dont take the servers offline soon its going to be harder and harder to do the longer they wait MIght I say this is the easiest, simplest fix I have seen somebody purpose. Absolute Idiom II wrote: Hey CCP, you know if you had just added 380,800 (2x 190,400) to everyone's SP cap, rather than doing a 3x remainder you never would have had this issue? TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Instead of multiplying the cap, why not just add to it? Flat increase for all. I have no idea what you guys are talking about with this adding and multiplying thing or talking about remainders. And for the first post wouldn't the simplest solution be to just change the value of the weekly cap? It'd be pretty sweet if a DEV could confirm this because I really want to know for curiosity's sake but I'm betting this had nothing to do with what day the event started. It matters for people that have capped out since they wouldn't have had the chance to but I'm guessing it wouldn't have prevented the issues the rest of the players are having. I could be completely wrong about it, that's just how I assumed this would work.
Altina McAlterson Not Guilty EoN. 603	Posted - 2013.07.04 15:58:00 - [6] - Quote DRDEEZENUTSZ TWOpointo wrote: Lunamaria Hawkeye wrote: Sorry for you guys, but u have no one to blame but yourselves for trusting something CCP said. Hopefully you all learn from this. Well I hit my cap yesterday and told me that it wouldn't hurt me but it did so it's there fault. Which probably has something to do with why they are fixing it.
Altina McAlterson Not Guilty EoN. 604	Posted - 2013.07.04 16:23:00 - [7] - Quote calisk galern wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: calisk galern wrote: just reset everyone cap...clean the slate 600k cap reset and be done with it.... Wouldn't that just reward the dirty no-life gits that capped yesterday while shafting the rest of us? everyone who played yesterday gets punished, punishing players for playing your game is stupid, if people played more then others good for them. I got about 50k sp yesterday just from casually playing and i'm being punished as much as anyone else. I don't really care what happens I just want it fixed immediately. Not going to happen and by demanding it be fixed immediately you sound like an ass. It was a mistake and it can't be undone. You're not being 'punished', so don't start that garbage. You know exactly where you can stick that nonsense so go ahead and cram it on in there. Callidus Vanus wrote: This could all have been avoided by simply starting the 3x event on the Wednesday when the cap reset -_- Really? Are you sure about that? Really, really sure about it? Not saying you're wrong or right. But you and everyone else that keeps saying that is talking out of their ass because none of you know anything about it.
Altina McAlterson Not Guilty EoN. 606	Posted - 2013.07.04 16:37:00 - [8] - Quote calisk galern wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Callidus Vanus wrote: This could all have been avoided by simply starting the 3x event on the Wednesday when the cap reset -_- If it was a bug, then it probably wouldn't have made any difference and we would still have this discussion. the bug is here because the multiplied our remaining instead of adding the total. if it was Wednesday our total would of been at max and the problem would not of occurred. Source?
Altina McAlterson Not Guilty EoN. 606	Posted - 2013.07.04 17:20:00 - [9] - Quote Ares 514 wrote: , i just hope that next time you do a 3x event you remember to start it on Wednesday and avoid these issues entirely. There is no reason to create the confusion that this event caused and the potential for bugs which drains your resources that could be better spent on other items by just thinking ahead. Lesson learned.... right? source?
Altina McAlterson Not Guilty EoN. 606	Posted - 2013.07.04 17:29:00 - [10] - Quote Here's how I see the situation and I'm curious to understand exactly where the disconnect is what I'm thinking and what everyone else has been thinking because every time I tried to understand what people thought was going on the more confused I got. So as I see it the weekly cap is 190,400 SP. On Wednesday if earned that much SP you would hit the soft cap and earn 1 SP per WP up to 1,000 SP. On Thursday the weekly cap would be increased from 190,400 to 571,200 SP. At this point there is no "remainder" or anything else. There's simply more SP to be earned before you hit the cap. Same as if you don't cap out in a single day and come back the next day. You continue earning SP until you hit the cap, it's just that simple. So no matter what day you earned the SP, how much you got this day vs that day or whether or not the rate has been tripled yet or not makes absolutely no difference. The absolute maximum every player will earn before hitting the soft cap is 571,200 SP. So would someone explain how you could possibly "lose" SP by playing on Wednesday? And as for the "multiplying" or "adding" thing I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about at all. The only thing being multiplied is the amount of SP you get per WP (maybe time in match as well, don't know and doesn't matter). For example after hitting the soft cap you have to earn at least 1,000 WP to earn the full 1,000 SP. During the triple SP event you would only have to earn 334 WP to earn 1,000 SP since 334 x 3 = 1,002. And I'm assuming that it wouldn't make a difference whether they started on Wednesday or Thursday is because all they were doing is changing those two values. However, those values most likely occur several times in the game's code and interact with multiple aspects of the software. One of those interactions was overlooked or entered incorrectly or already contained an unnoticed bug that is causing the behavior we're seeing. Or maybe each instance on those values needed to be changed manually and one got missed or entered incorrectly. So anyway, that's just how I see this whole situation and the reason I feel like I'm on a different page than a lot of players.

Altina McAlterson Not Guilty EoN. 606	Posted - 2013.07.04 18:24:00 - [11] - Quote Shrapnels wrote: ........and yeah 150 x 3 is actually 450 ?
Altina McAlterson Not Guilty EoN. 606	Posted - 2013.07.04 18:42:00 - [12] - Quote calisk galern wrote: i'll try to explain it again then. As mentioned by you the standard weekly cap is 190,400 sp. with this event the target cap for the week is to be set at 571,200. This is exactly triple the standard weekly cap So let's say I earned 90400 sp on Wednesday bringing my remaining sp to earn for the week down to 100k sp. what should of occured as per the devs comments is as follows 380800 sp should of been added to our caps. bringing the total sp remaining to 480800sp instead the 100k was tripled bringing the remaining sp total to 300k. hopefully you can follow this logic so far. so now let's step back to immediately after Wednesdays reset. I now have 190,400 sp cap remaining multiplied by 3 which is what occured 190400 x 3 = 571,200sp which is the weekly target additive results is as follows 190400 + 380800 = 571,200sp which again is the weekly target. as you can see if done after the patch their is no chance for the problem to occur, and we can look at the previous triple sp event to see that no problem occurred during that event, when applied immediately after down time. I'm not following your logic because it's actually nonsense. You're saying that earning 90,400 SP when the cap is 190,400 leaves you 100,000 more to go which is fine. But then you add 380,800 to the cap which is technically what you are doing since you've increased it by that amount. But then you add how much SP you had remaining with the previous cap to the amount that you just increased the cap by. Which I have no idea what that is or what it means. If you have 90,400 SP and the cap is 571,400 that leaves 481,000 SP left before you hit the cap. Could you explain exactly why you think it isn't that? I've got nothing else to do at the moment and I really do enjoy a good debate but honestly trying to sort out what you meant with the arithmetic and multiplication is just too much for volunteer work so I'll just leave it here.