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Cat Merc Oculus Felis 1657	Posted - 2013.07.04 03:39:00 - [1] - Quote Why on earth would you give it less range and 100 less DPS than a normal AR... It just doesn't make sense.
Rogatien Merc Ill Omens EoN. 280	Posted - 2013.07.04 03:40:00 - [2] - Quote Yup.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1323	Posted - 2013.07.04 03:43:00 - [3] - Quote It needs to serve its time as a crap weapon to make up for the CreoDron Breach's of the dark times.
Cat Merc Oculus Felis 1657	Posted - 2013.07.04 03:45:00 - [4] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: It needs to serve its time as a crap weapon to make up for the CreoDron Breach's of the dark times. lol I remember that. It was a dark time indeed...
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 223	Posted - 2013.07.04 03:49:00 - [5] - Quote If the TAC and breach AR swapped damage and clip size with the TAC given its prenerf RoF they would be perfectly balanced and would match their weapon descriptions.
Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 169	Posted - 2013.07.04 03:53:00 - [6] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: It needs to serve its time as a crap weapon to make up for the CreoDron Breach's of the dark times. lol I remember that. It was a dark time indeed... dark only for those who didnt use them. :P pew pew pew
Cat Merc Oculus Felis 1658	Posted - 2013.07.04 03:56:00 - [7] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: If the TAC and breach AR swapped damage and clip size with the TAC given its prenerf RoF they would be perfectly balanced and would match their weapon descriptions. TAC AR is perfect as is. It does what it's supposed to do, I really don't see the issue with it.
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 223	Posted - 2013.07.04 04:00:00 - [8] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: If the TAC and breach AR swapped damage and clip size with the TAC given its prenerf RoF they would be perfectly balanced and would match their weapon descriptions. TAC AR is perfect as is. It does what it's supposed to do, I really don't see the issue with it. Read the breach AR weapon description and the TAC description. I'm on vacation so if 1.2 changed the descriptions then my bad.
Cat Merc Oculus Felis 1660	Posted - 2013.07.04 04:14:00 - [9] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: If the TAC and breach AR swapped damage and clip size with the TAC given its prenerf RoF they would be perfectly balanced and would match their weapon descriptions. TAC AR is perfect as is. It does what it's supposed to do, I really don't see the issue with it. Read the breach AR weapon description and the TAC description. I'm on vacation so if 1.2 changed the descriptions then my bad. I see. But I don't think giving the TAR 51 damage is a good idea...
Sgt Buttscratch G I A N T EoN. 333	Posted - 2013.07.04 04:20:00 - [10] - Quote only used 1 once, every other AR variant outclasses it, I think the LR might have it beat..

Croned C0NTRA UNIT 31	Posted - 2013.07.04 04:21:00 - [11] - Quote A lot of people have already stopped using TARs, especially when you have an advanced Scrambler Rifle for cheaper than an advanced TAR. There's no need to run it into the ground. It'd be 10 times worse than the breach currently is, and that's saying something.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 717	Posted - 2013.07.04 04:23:00 - [12] - Quote It desperately needs a range buff, otherwise its passable, not ideal but passable
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 1772	Posted - 2013.07.04 04:24:00 - [13] - Quote Sgt Buttscratch wrote: only used 1 once, every other AR variant outclasses it, I think the LR might have it beat.. Thats a stretc- .....well, now that I think about it...
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 407	Posted - 2013.07.04 04:24:00 - [14] - Quote The problem with the breach ARs isn't any of it's attributes,it's the price. Basically,the only way to use a breach AR is something similar to a shotty.It's devastating up close and in CQC against most types,but the CreoDron is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay overpriced (77k+,really?!!!) for it's limitations.That's why you don't see that many of them on the battlefield anymore. If the CreoDron Breach were even 1/3 the cost,bringing it down to around 50k,that would make way more sense,considering it's limited use and abilities.
Cat Merc Oculus Felis 1663	Posted - 2013.07.04 04:25:00 - [15] - Quote Croned wrote: A lot of people have already stopped using TARs, especially when you have an advanced Scrambler Rifle for cheaper than an advanced TAR. There's no need to run it into the ground. It'd be 10 times worse than the breach currently is, and that's saying something. Scrambler rifles overheat, TAR's don't. Trust me, the TAR is still effective, it's just QQ from people who used it when it was ridiculos.
Cat Merc Oculus Felis 1663	Posted - 2013.07.04 04:26:00 - [16] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: It desperately needs a range buff, otherwise its passable, not ideal but passable Range buff and +50 DPS for each variant.
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 224	Posted - 2013.07.04 04:26:00 - [17] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: stlcarlos989 wrote: If the TAC and breach AR swapped damage and clip size with the TAC given its prenerf RoF they would be perfectly balanced and would match their weapon descriptions. TAC AR is perfect as is. It does what it's supposed to do, I really don't see the issue with it. Read the breach AR weapon description and the TAC description. I'm on vacation so if 1.2 changed the descriptions then my bad. I see. But I don't think giving the TAR 51 damage is a good idea... 51 damage but with the prenerf RoF which was 700+ rpm (I don't remember the exact number) and keeping its range it would be a medium damage AR with good RoF and long range. Giving the breach the TAC's current damage would make it a high range low RoF weapon with short range and a small clip mag if those are also switched. Both weapon's would be in their respective niche matching the descriptions that CCP wrote.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 717	Posted - 2013.07.04 04:30:00 - [18] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Delta 749 wrote: It desperately needs a range buff, otherwise its passable, not ideal but passable Range buff and +50 DPS for each variant. Oh god that would start a storm of people crying unlike any heard before I love the idea
Croned C0NTRA UNIT 31	Posted - 2013.07.04 04:30:00 - [19] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Croned wrote: A lot of people have already stopped using TARs, especially when you have an advanced Scrambler Rifle for cheaper than an advanced TAR. There's no need to run it into the ground. It'd be 10 times worse than the breach currently is, and that's saying something. Scrambler rifles overheat, TAR's don't. Trust me, the TAR is still effective, it's just QQ from people who used it when it was ridiculos. Imagine double Scrambler Rifles on a commando suit. Never an overheat, uncountered damage. If only the commando could actually fit anything worth crap. 27 PG on the standard, really? Anyways, the overheat on the Scrambler Rifle is basically its equivalent to the TAR's small clip size.
Cat Merc Oculus Felis 1665	Posted - 2013.07.04 04:32:00 - [20] - Quote Croned wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Croned wrote: A lot of people have already stopped using TARs, especially when you have an advanced Scrambler Rifle for cheaper than an advanced TAR. There's no need to run it into the ground. It'd be 10 times worse than the breach currently is, and that's saying something. Scrambler rifles overheat, TAR's don't. Trust me, the TAR is still effective, it's just QQ from people who used it when it was ridiculos. Imagine double Scrambler Rifles on a commando suit. Never an overheat, uncountered damage. If only the commando could actually fit anything worth crap. 27 PG on the standard, really? Anyways, the overheat on the Scrambler Rifle is basically its equivalent to the TAR's small clip size. Only I can switch mag, sprint, switch weapons, whatever. In addition to taking damage from the overheat, you can't do anything but bunnyhope and hope for the best. I tried both, TAR is just better.

Sgt Buttscratch G I A N T EoN. 333	Posted - 2013.07.04 04:32:00 - [21] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Croned wrote: A lot of people have already stopped using TARs, especially when you have an advanced Scrambler Rifle for cheaper than an advanced TAR. There's no need to run it into the ground. It'd be 10 times worse than the breach currently is, and that's saying something. Scrambler rifles overheat, TAR's don't. Trust me, the TAR is still effective, it's just QQ from people who used it when it was ridiculos. TAR is back to working how it should, It's not meant for run'n'gun or cqc, it's designed for a support role, offering your squad some precise and nasty hits from better range. Same for the burst, if you know how and when to use that gun, it's immensley powerful, use it wrong and its tripe. variations
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 27	Posted - 2013.07.04 04:34:00 - [22] - Quote Sgt Buttscratch wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Croned wrote: A lot of people have already stopped using TARs, especially when you have an advanced Scrambler Rifle for cheaper than an advanced TAR. There's no need to run it into the ground. It'd be 10 times worse than the breach currently is, and that's saying something. Scrambler rifles overheat, TAR's don't. Trust me, the TAR is still effective, it's just QQ from people who used it when it was ridiculos. TAR is back to working how it should, It's not meant for run'n'gun or cqc, it's designed for a support role, offering your squad some precise and nasty hits from better range. Same for the burst, if you know how and when to use that gun, it's immensley powerful, use it wrong and its tripe. variations i saw you in a skirmish today tried to kill you but got an assist
Cat Merc Oculus Felis 1665	Posted - 2013.07.04 04:34:00 - [23] - Quote Sgt Buttscratch wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Croned wrote: A lot of people have already stopped using TARs, especially when you have an advanced Scrambler Rifle for cheaper than an advanced TAR. There's no need to run it into the ground. It'd be 10 times worse than the breach currently is, and that's saying something. Scrambler rifles overheat, TAR's don't. Trust me, the TAR is still effective, it's just QQ from people who used it when it was ridiculos. TAR is back to working how it should, It's not meant for run'n'gun or cqc, it's designed for a support role, offering your squad some precise and nasty hits from better range. Same for the burst, if you know how and when to use that gun, it's immensley powerful, use it wrong and its tripe. variations Burst has the issue of hit detection. Rarely do all bullets connect, unless the target is standing still. If it was better then man this weapon would be awesome.
Tuna the Fish The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 63	Posted - 2013.07.04 04:43:00 - [24] - Quote I've been having pretty good success with hipfiring the breach AR. Maybe the breach is supposed to be a hipfire/CQC specialty weapon (in spite of what the description is)?
Cat Merc Oculus Felis 1666	Posted - 2013.07.04 04:51:00 - [25] - Quote Tuna the Fish wrote: I've been having pretty good success with hipfiring the breach AR. Maybe the breach is supposed to be a hipfire/CQC specialty weapon (in spite of what the description is)? You had success because your enemy sucks. A normal AR would beat it simply for the fact that it has 100 more DPS.
Tuna the Fish The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 63	Posted - 2013.07.04 05:08:00 - [26] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Tuna the Fish wrote: I've been having pretty good success with hipfiring the breach AR. Maybe the breach is supposed to be a hipfire/CQC specialty weapon (in spite of what the description is)? You had success because your enemy sucks. A normal AR would beat it simply for the fact that it has 100 more DPS. Actually, I've been holding my own against protos (whether or not they are sucky protos, who can say). The normal AR wouldn't help much the way I'm using the breach (which is not the same way I would use a normal AR). The lower fire rate and tighter hip spread makes it more controllable, so I can bob and weave while landing hits more easily. I'm just wondering if it is supposed to be a CQC weapon, or if it's just broken to the point where it's not usable otherwise.
Cat Merc Oculus Felis 1671	Posted - 2013.07.04 05:10:00 - [27] - Quote Tuna the Fish wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Tuna the Fish wrote: I've been having pretty good success with hipfiring the breach AR. Maybe the breach is supposed to be a hipfire/CQC specialty weapon (in spite of what the description is)? You had success because your enemy sucks. A normal AR would beat it simply for the fact that it has 100 more DPS. Actually, I've been holding my own against protos (whether or not they are sucky protos, who can say). The normal AR wouldn't help much the way I'm using the breach (which is not the same way I would use a normal AR). The lower fire rate and tighter hip spread makes it more controllable, so I can bob and weave while landing hits more easily. I'm just wondering if it is supposed to be a CQC weapon, or if it's just broken to the point where it's not usable otherwise. Its supposed to be a CQC weapon. But CQC weapon are supposed to give you high fire rate low damage, so that a missed shot doesn't reduce your total DPS as much as from lets say a burst AR would.
Sgt Buttscratch G I A N T EoN. 333	Posted - 2013.07.04 05:11:00 - [28] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Sgt Buttscratch wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Croned wrote: A lot of people have already stopped using TARs, especially when you have an advanced Scrambler Rifle for cheaper than an advanced TAR. There's no need to run it into the ground. It'd be 10 times worse than the breach currently is, and that's saying something. Scrambler rifles overheat, TAR's don't. Trust me, the TAR is still effective, it's just QQ from people who used it when it was ridiculos. TAR is back to working how it should, It's not meant for run'n'gun or cqc, it's designed for a support role, offering your squad some precise and nasty hits from better range. Same for the burst, if you know how and when to use that gun, it's immensley powerful, use it wrong and its tripe. variations Burst has the issue of hit detection. Rarely do all bullets connect, unless the target is standing still. If it was better then man this weapon would be awesome. As i said when used correct, which is a well positioned, objective guard. even fatties drop fast.
dustwaffle Ill Omens EoN. 144	Posted - 2013.07.04 05:17:00 - [29] - Quote Confirming the breach is a bit weak in its current state. Tried it as a counter to the pre-nerf TAR. Was OK at close range and rubbish at anything beyond that. However, the standard AR was still better even at close range. My findings Short range: AR > Breach > TAR Short-Medium: AR > Breach > TAR Medium: AR > TAR > Breach Medium-Long: TAR > AR > Breach Long: TAR >>>> AR >>>>>>>>>> Breach Burst AR lies between AR and TAR in the above.
Tuna the Fish The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 63	Posted - 2013.07.04 05:22:00 - [30] - Quote I'm going to try using a standard AR hipfire style and see how I do.



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