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Foxhound Elite
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
223
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Posted - 2013.07.03 17:53:00 -
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I have yet to hear a response this year about what you propose to do with dropships. It's very frustrating. |
hackerzilla
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
23
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Posted - 2013.07.03 17:54:00 -
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Foxhound Elite wrote:I have yet to hear a response this year about what you propose to do with dropships. It's very frustrating. :3 |
Daedric Lothar
Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION
839
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Posted - 2013.07.03 17:58:00 -
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Foxhound Elite wrote:I have yet to hear a response this year about what you propose to do with dropships. It's very frustrating.
CCP is dedicated to dropship play, thats why they gave you faster RDVs to avoid. They wanted to make sure there was enough challenge for you. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
4313
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Posted - 2013.07.03 18:00:00 -
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Can we please not ever mention that word again? Thank you.
You don't understand how upset I am to have had to turn in my pilots license. The only viable way to play DS right now is to either constantly hoof it on ground to make up for ship losses, be part of a corp that doesn't mind you wasting their ISK, and flying an ADS.
I think the ADS is just ridiculous in terms of the DS philosophy anyways. It's the cheap way to give us an aerial attack vehicle without actually giving us an aerial attack vehicle. Having 4 passenger slots instead of 2 ensures that the already underwhelming logi ships get pushed even further down the totem pole, since you can still act as a troop transport (while getting their quicker to boot)
With whispers of Bomber Dropships in the works, it is abundantly clear that CCP has completely disconnected from the idea of fitting them into proper roles and has instead adopted the idea of using them as placeholders for things that should have their own models, flight mechanics, and skill trees. |
RoundEy3
Metal Mind Industries
155
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Posted - 2013.07.03 18:06:00 -
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I'm pretty sure the drop ship is considered a single use disposable item. It's up there with dixie cups. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
2169
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Posted - 2013.07.03 18:14:00 -
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I take issue withthis threads title, it assumes CCP cared in the first place. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
4316
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Posted - 2013.07.03 18:15:00 -
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gbghg wrote:I take issue withthis threads title, it assumes CCP cared in the first place. Lamp posts |
Judy Maat
Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire
121
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Posted - 2013.07.03 18:18:00 -
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I turned down my pilot licence too.. Soon Soon.. well it's been 3/4 of a year since I even read the word Dropship from a Dev.. |
Foxhound Elite
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
226
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Posted - 2013.07.03 18:19:00 -
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I have posted countless threads about dropship issues and I have yet to have CCP involve themselves in one. You'd think aerial vehicles, let alone vehicles in general would be a core element of gameplay. This distinguishes us from games like Call Of Duty, where a 'run-and-gun' style of play is profound. Dust is following that path, giving us no leverage with vehicle roles, primarily the dropship. |
CPL Bloodstone
Neanderthal Nation Public Disorder.
102
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Posted - 2013.07.03 18:20:00 -
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CCP Blam doesn't like them so no love for you! I dropped ADS like a bad habit once i got my respec. However, for your sake, i hope they give you guys some love! |
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Skihids
Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION
1686
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Posted - 2013.07.03 18:21:00 -
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Anymore? How about "ever"?
There are quite a few ex-pilots who have given up hope of the dropship getting a true tactical role anytime soon.
CCP keeps messing around with variations on the gunship without giving it sufficient defense to fill the role while ignoring any logistical mission. Spherically ranged scanners don't work well in the air, MCRU's still don't pay WP's, Shield Transport modules are too finicky to use and pay no WP's.
I think all this is more a symptom of CCP not knowing what role they want vehicles to play in the game compounded with a complete and total lack of any tactical or strategic play. There is no benefit to winning any match other than PC so objectives are only important to the degree that they serve as a locus of battle where you can find more red dots to shoot in the face.
I don't see dropships becoming valuable until we get a game mode that requires more than DPS to win, a mode where transport actually matters. |
Aisha Ctarl
The Generals EoN.
389
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Posted - 2013.07.03 18:22:00 -
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They care about dropships the same amount they care about armor tanking. |
RoundEy3
Metal Mind Industries
157
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Posted - 2013.07.03 18:23:00 -
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soon /so-Pon/Adverb 1.In or after a short time: "he'll be home soon", "DUST514 will work soon" 2.Early: "it was too soon to know".
Synonyms shortly - early - presently - anon - before long - DUST 514
I had no clue this was indeed the definition all along!
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Foxhound Elite
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
226
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Posted - 2013.07.03 18:33:00 -
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waiting for a response about this, seeing as I've invested time, aurum, SP .. primarily into dropships to aid my corp members but have to rely on other methods to help them as dropships are only good for elevating yourself within a certain window, before you get shot down like a pheasant during hunting season. |
Skihids
Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION
1687
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Posted - 2013.07.03 18:40:00 -
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Foxhound Elite wrote:waiting for a response about this, seeing as I've invested time, aurum, SP .. primarily into dropships to aid my corp members but have to rely on other methods to help them as dropships are only good for elevating yourself within a certain window, before you get shot down like a pheasant during hunting season.
Did you do that before you got on the forums, or did you do that in spite of all the dropship feedback threads over the past six months? |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
141
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Posted - 2013.07.03 18:42:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Can we please not ever mention that word again? Thank you.
You don't understand how upset I am to have had to turn in my pilots license. The only viable way to play DS right now is to either constantly hoof it on ground to make up for ship losses, be part of a corp that doesn't mind you wasting their ISK, and flying an ADS.
I think the ADS is just ridiculous in terms of the DS philosophy anyways. It's the cheap way to give us an aerial attack vehicle without actually giving us an aerial attack vehicle. Having 4 passenger slots instead of 2 ensures that the already underwhelming logi ships get pushed even further down the totem pole, since you can still act as a troop transport (while getting there quicker to boot)
With whispers of Bomber Dropships in the works, it is abundantly clear that CCP has completely disconnected from the idea of fitting them into proper roles and has instead adopted the idea of using them as placeholders for things that should have their own models, flight mechanics, and skill trees.
don't undock it if you can't afford to lose it. |
Foxhound Elite
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
226
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Posted - 2013.07.03 18:48:00 -
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low genius wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Can we please not ever mention that word again? Thank you.
You don't understand how upset I am to have had to turn in my pilots license. The only viable way to play DS right now is to either constantly hoof it on ground to make up for ship losses, be part of a corp that doesn't mind you wasting their ISK, and flying an ADS.
I think the ADS is just ridiculous in terms of the DS philosophy anyways. It's the cheap way to give us an aerial attack vehicle without actually giving us an aerial attack vehicle. Having 4 passenger slots instead of 2 ensures that the already underwhelming logi ships get pushed even further down the totem pole, since you can still act as a troop transport (while getting there quicker to boot)
With whispers of Bomber Dropships in the works, it is abundantly clear that CCP has completely disconnected from the idea of fitting them into proper roles and has instead adopted the idea of using them as placeholders for things that should have their own models, flight mechanics, and skill trees. don't undock it if you can't afford to lose it.
This isn't EVE. It's an FPS. That's like saying "Don't wear proto gear if you're afraid of dying". |
Skihids
Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION
1687
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Posted - 2013.07.03 18:51:00 -
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Foxhound Elite wrote:low genius wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Can we please not ever mention that word again? Thank you.
You don't understand how upset I am to have had to turn in my pilots license. The only viable way to play DS right now is to either constantly hoof it on ground to make up for ship losses, be part of a corp that doesn't mind you wasting their ISK, and flying an ADS.
I think the ADS is just ridiculous in terms of the DS philosophy anyways. It's the cheap way to give us an aerial attack vehicle without actually giving us an aerial attack vehicle. Having 4 passenger slots instead of 2 ensures that the already underwhelming logi ships get pushed even further down the totem pole, since you can still act as a troop transport (while getting there quicker to boot)
With whispers of Bomber Dropships in the works, it is abundantly clear that CCP has completely disconnected from the idea of fitting them into proper roles and has instead adopted the idea of using them as placeholders for things that should have their own models, flight mechanics, and skill trees. don't undock it if you can't afford to lose it. This isn't EVE. It's an FPS. That's like saying "Don't wear proto gear if you're afraid of dying".
That may have been sarcasm.
There's a reason all insurance policies exclude acts of war. |
Serimos Haeraven
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
91
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Posted - 2013.07.03 19:18:00 -
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I think nearly all of us here understand the issues we face with dropships, I can pretty much look at everyone here and recognize who's a common pilot who voices their concerns on this forums and who isn't, because it has been that much of an issue. Although, i still fly ADS's and Eryx's to this day even though i still have to go on ground sometimes to make enough money to buy another... :( |
Foxhound Elite
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
226
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Posted - 2013.07.03 20:54:00 -
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can we get some sliver of hope to keep us going through these dark and turbulent times, devs? |
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DS 10
G I A N T EoN.
513
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Posted - 2013.07.03 20:57:00 -
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Since Uprising dropped, I've been trying to convince people to just stop using dropships, but pilots are stubborn. I've taken out dropship after dropship called in by the same person.
For what it's worth, I'm a FG specialist, and I'm all for a Dropship HP buff. 1 shot to take out 100k+ ISK dropships is a little absurd. Basic should be 2 shots. It's to the point where I'm genuinely surprised when a dropship survives a hit. |
Felix Faraday
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
96
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Posted - 2013.07.03 21:00:00 -
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Foxhound Elite wrote:I have yet to hear a response this year about what you propose to do with dropships. It's very frustrating.
They've said several times things they are thinking about doing to dropships to help pilots out.
They just don't actually plan on ever doing anything about it.
Maybe next year, if you're still playing. |
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar
Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
53
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Posted - 2013.07.03 21:34:00 -
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dropships need another highpower/lowpower slot and the pg/cpu to use said slot the damage output is fine they just need a hp buff or fitting buff |
Felix Faraday
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
97
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Posted - 2013.07.03 22:12:00 -
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Just jumped into my ADS. Flew around a bit, killed a tank, got double tapped by a redline tank before I could react. This guy was so deep in his redline I could barely see him on the ground, and on a perfect hill he could just roll behind to avoid swarms. New spot too, first time I've seen a tank there.
Total flight time, maybe 3 min.
I don't see how Dropships are viable, even with a health buff, when we have these tanks able to fire away at us with absolutely no risk.
Whatever. I'll play the 3x SP event to see if something can catch my interest, but I think I'm done.
Why put a role and vehicle in this game when you are just going to completely ignore it. I don't get it. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
2170
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Posted - 2013.07.03 22:59:00 -
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We need the reactive deflection shield, been trying it out with the saga II. that thing is insane, crappy cooldown time though. |
darkiller240
INGLORIOUS-INQUISITION
25
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Posted - 2013.07.04 08:18:00 -
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Iv Wasted Millions Of SP To transport snipers to hight places Completely Worth it -_- Dropships Are Transports. Transports are Sposed To Be Heavy. In there description it says , 'Transport Troops Under Fire' Last i Checked i got shot down by 2 Railgun shots They should have an extreme Heath Buff |
Judge Rhadamanthus
Kapow Heavy Industries
206
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Posted - 2013.07.04 08:48:00 -
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I share the frustration in this thread. But while these are dark times I think that perseverance is important. Even though we lose isk and provide fun for others rather than ourselves there is a future here to plan for.
Aerial vehicles make battlegrounds more dynamic. They add new tactical play styles and keep set battles on fixed maps from playing out in the same way every time. I'm putting a video together to show this; as dropships, while limited now, do provide a function and do help a team. Even if it's not killing.
If we want large dynamic battles then we need aircraft. the solution to dropships is not to abandon effort but to report issues clearly and maturely to CCP. If we stop flying then how will they really know how to balance? Stopping and waiting won't help. We need to keep at it.
For hope read back over the comments. If this was an AR or mass driver thread there would be CAPS and rage and !!!one one one!!!!!!!!one..... but the tone is more one of lost hope and disappointment, this shows that there are people who want dropships, and later jets, to be a force. So you will still see me up there. And i'll make sure CCP can read about the issues and difficulties I find; here (well in the feedback section). |
richiesutie 2
Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS.
79
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Posted - 2013.07.04 08:51:00 -
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if i ever get another respec im gonna spec into ads' so they arn't a lost hope as well as fighters |
really unknown one
Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2013.07.04 13:56:00 -
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bump |
Foxhound Elite
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
232
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Posted - 2013.07.04 14:17:00 -
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redline railgun tank two shotted my logistics class dropship bringing in a full load of infantry to the fight, only to end up in flames and me recieving -75 Eryx Destruction and 2x -50 kills.
Thanks, CCP! |
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