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OZAROW
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
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Posted - 2013.07.03 01:12:00 -
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I kno no one other than scouts will care about this post but guys like me have dedicated over 12 million sp to things like a proficiency shotgun (1.5 mill aprox)that got a huge nerf for months now somewhat useable, profile damping that periodically works ( almost 1 million sp) nova knives proficiency that has horrible hit detection(almost 2 mill) , then a ton in endurance ( which I heard got beat up bad on patch) just to invest another2 mill or so into kinetics,then I find out the new shield mod is free an only 6 point less then complex(so there's that), over a million in faylock to pick up the slack in the other weapons ( which from forum stomping will probably be toast soon, then you have the mini proto racial suit (2.5 mill) that has hardly any CPU /pg even at lv 4 for both( another couple mill). Now I hear, everyone moves slower, stamina an jumping sucks, scouts are totally choked an re specing into other suits due to slaughter an getting shot more to the slowness , what is the point of this ccp? I like this game for this suit only, not many other games you can custom an scout kill like this. So I need to know is it really that bad as a scout now? Are there plans to fix stamina an jumping, knives, more CPU pg, or even making the mini a meta 7 for proto like everything else in the game? I mean at max you might get 450 hp(least in game, proto scout has less than my dragonfly assault 600 hp) I mean come on, us scouts have been patient but this is stupid as hell if it's true. I haven't even logged on due to what I've read plus been busy today but when I do is it gonna be a face palm moment? Can we petition a fix? Any solution s? I don't wanna quit scout or the game but I want it to be worth the time I invested an the money. I understand nerfs an rolled wit the punches but now it sounds un usable |
Cat Merc
Oculus Felis
1572
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Posted - 2013.07.03 01:26:00 -
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****, this is another one of those wall of text posts. Can't you guys use the Enter button from once in a while? Please? |
KING CHECKMATE
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
144
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Posted - 2013.07.03 01:28:00 -
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OZAROW wrote:I kno no one other than scouts will care about this post but guys like me have dedicated over 12 million sp to things like a proficiency shotgun (1.5 mill aprox)that got a huge nerf for months now somewhat useable, profile damping that periodically works ( almost 1 million sp) nova knives proficiency that has horrible hit detection(almost 2 mill) , then a ton in endurance ( which I heard got beat up bad on patch) just to invest another2 mill or so into kinetics,then I find out the new shield mod is free an only 6 point less then complex(so there's that), over a million in faylock to pick up the slack in the other weapons ( which from forum stomping will probably be toast soon, then you have the mini proto racial suit (2.5 mill) that has hardly any CPU /pg even at lv 4 for both( another couple mill). Now I hear, everyone moves slower, stamina an jumping sucks, scouts are totally choked an re specing into other suits due to slaughter an getting shot more to the slowness , what is the point of this ccp? I like this game for this suit only, not many other games you can custom an scout kill like this. So I need to know is it really that bad as a scout now? Are there plans to fix stamina an jumping, knives, more CPU pg, or even making the mini a meta 7 for proto like everything else in the game? I mean at max you might get 450 hp(least in game, proto scout has less than my dragonfly assault 600 hp) I mean come on, us scouts have been patient but this is stupid as hell if it's true. I haven't even logged on due to what I've read plus been busy today but when I do is it gonna be a face palm moment? Can we petition a fix? Any solution s? I don't wanna quit scout or the game but I want it to be worth the time I invested an the money. I understand nerfs an rolled wit the punches but now it sounds un usable
I feel you pain. Time to play as something else brobro... |
zzZaXxx
The Exemplars Top Men.
38
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Posted - 2013.07.03 01:28:00 -
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OZAROW wrote:I kno no one other than scouts will care about this post but guys like me have dedicated over 12 million sp to things like a proficiency shotgun (1.5 mill aprox)that got a huge nerf for months now somewhat useable, profile damping that periodically works ( almost 1 million sp) nova knives proficiency that has horrible hit detection(almost 2 mill) , then a ton in endurance ( which I heard got beat up bad on patch) just to invest another2 mill or so into kinetics,then I find out the new shield mod is free an only 6 point less then complex(so there's that), over a million in faylock to pick up the slack in the other weapons ( which from forum stomping will probably be toast soon, then you have the mini proto racial suit (2.5 mill) that has hardly any CPU /pg even at lv 4 for both( another couple mill). Now I hear, everyone moves slower, stamina an jumping sucks, scouts are totally choked an re specing into other suits due to slaughter an getting shot more to the slowness , what is the point of this ccp? I like this game for this suit only, not many other games you can custom an scout kill like this. So I need to know is it really that bad as a scout now? Are there plans to fix stamina an jumping, knives, more CPU pg, or even making the mini a meta 7 for proto like everything else in the game? I mean at max you might get 450 hp(least in game, proto scout has less than my dragonfly assault 600 hp) I mean come on, us scouts have been patient but this is stupid as hell if it's true. I haven't even logged on due to what I've read plus been busy today but when I do is it gonna be a face palm moment? Can we petition a fix? Any solution s? I don't wanna quit scout or the game but I want it to be worth the time I invested an the money. I understand nerfs an rolled wit the punches but now it sounds un usable
Log on and try the new update before you QQ. I think strafe speed has been increased. Not sure. I almost went scout but am leaning towards Minmatar logi for the reasons you listed. Let us know if you find any positives after the update. |
Azura Sakura
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
175
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Posted - 2013.07.03 01:33:00 -
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I love scouts. They are like the solo gods, great flanking potential and so fast. Be fun to use with Mass Driver and shotgun. I have seen less of them as well. :( |
KING CHECKMATE
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
145
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Posted - 2013.07.03 01:34:00 -
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Azura Sakura wrote:I love scouts. They are like the solo gods, great flanking potential and so fast. Be fun to use with Mass Driver and shotgun. I have seen less of them as well. :(
PROTO LOGI CAL IS THE SOLO GOD. |
Azura Sakura
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
175
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Posted - 2013.07.03 01:36:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Azura Sakura wrote:I love scouts. They are like the solo gods, great flanking potential and so fast. Be fun to use with Mass Driver and shotgun. I have seen less of them as well. :( PROTO LOGI CAL IS THE SOLO GOD. :( proto logi cal don't receive no love from me |
Rogatien Merc
Ill Omens EoN.
267
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Posted - 2013.07.03 01:39:00 -
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the stealthy ccp stamina nerf hurts everyone else more than scouts IMO. which is a good thing. |
KING CHECKMATE
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
145
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Posted - 2013.07.03 01:42:00 -
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Azura Sakura wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Azura Sakura wrote:I love scouts. They are like the solo gods, great flanking potential and so fast. Be fun to use with Mass Driver and shotgun. I have seen less of them as well. :( PROTO LOGI CAL IS THE SOLO GOD. :( proto logi cal don't receive no love from me
Im gonna be honest. with so many people asking to fix ''aim'' i kind of predicted CCP making the game a little slower in order to help accomplish this. Thats why i started going Cal Logi before 1.2. Cal logi can run around with 750+HP, at 8+ Sprint speed, with 37.5 Profile , carry a proto weapon and a complex damage mod, AND Still be able to place drop uplinks ,remotes and nanohives. Scouts where dead as soon as chromosome was... |
Mac Dac
Wraith Shadow Guards
88
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Posted - 2013.07.03 01:44:00 -
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Ha you know were dieing pre 1.2 and this wil only speed up their extiction..... its mind of sad i actully wanted to be a scout once i start investing in dropsuits. there was a certain something about them that made me feel like were ninjas.
first the scouts then the heavys....... and you know what? you and your kind will be dissolved into the logi.
join us or perish. resistance is futile.
(everytime i see a scout thread im going to put that because its true...... dont want it to be, i like scouts, but its true.) |
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Azura Sakura
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
175
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Posted - 2013.07.03 01:46:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Azura Sakura wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Azura Sakura wrote:I love scouts. They are like the solo gods, great flanking potential and so fast. Be fun to use with Mass Driver and shotgun. I have seen less of them as well. :( PROTO LOGI CAL IS THE SOLO GOD. :( proto logi cal don't receive no love from me Im gonna be honest. with so many people asking to fix ''aim'' i kind of predicted CCP making the game a little slower in order to help accomplish this. Thats why i started going Cal Logi before 1.2. Cal logi can run around with 750+HP, at 8+ Sprint speed, with 37.5 Profile , carry a proto weapon and a complex damage mod, AND Still be able to place drop uplinks ,remotes and nanohives. Scouts where dead as soon as chromosome was... Holy **** lol. They can do all that! I'm just use to people having 700+ shield and running/strafing fast as ****. So crazy (x_x) |
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Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2013.07.03 01:47:00 -
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I love my scout even after todays update but I dont think I will go full racial proto only because I rush and attack I kill and I die adv works just fine for this style of play without the loss of isk profit I did go basic light frame proto but rarely use it
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Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
135
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Posted - 2013.07.03 01:49:00 -
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From my own experience there are definite changes (I have to take a look closer, I didn't notice any stamina nerfs during my games today) but as a scout I think I can adapt to this.
It feels as if I'm moving a bit slower forward, but faster in terms of strafing. My hits usually register which is nice, but I do die more easily to the shots of others.....
I don't know, overall not enough to make me quit the class and start funneling my points somewhere else. I haven't really 'spec'd' into scout suits yet though.... been running dragonfly only since open beta start. Now I've added militia minmitar light frame to the mix. But I feel your pain on the SP invested into the scout dampening, range, precision skills etc.... .and all the engineering/electronics just to fit some standard modules onto my suits with a drop uplink.... sheesh.
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Sollemnis Aelinos
89th Infantry Division
47
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Posted - 2013.07.03 01:50:00 -
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cloaking module= problem solved |
KING CHECKMATE
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
145
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Posted - 2013.07.03 01:52:00 -
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Matticus Monk wrote:From my own experience there are definite changes (I have to take a look closer, I didn't notice any stamina nerfs during my games today) but as a scout I think I can adapt to this.
It feels as if I'm moving a bit slower forward, but faster in terms of strafing. My hits usually register which is nice, but I do die more easily to the shots of others.....
I don't know, overall not enough to make me quit the class and start funneling my points somewhere else. I haven't really 'spec'd' into scout suits yet though.... been running dragonfly only since open beta start. Now I've added militia minmitar light frame to the mix. But I feel your pain on the SP invested into the scout dampening, range, precision skills etc.... .and all the engineering/electronics just to fit some standard modules onto my suits with a drop uplink.... sheesh.
You think you can adapt? Let me know how it goes when you face Proto Duvolle ARs with 1-2 Complex Damage mods and poficiency Lv5 AND YOU CANT RUN AWAY BECAUSE YOU ARE A TURTLE.
:3
BTW yeah im salty since i have my 7.5 mill dumped into scout....Good thing my last mil was spent towards cal logi, and this week is Triple SP week HEHE.... |
OZAROW
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
44
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Posted - 2013.07.03 01:56:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:****, this is another one of those wall of text posts. Can't you guys use the Enter button from once in a while? Please? Using a iPhone an the cursor sticks an it's as laggy as the game, my bad |
Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
135
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Posted - 2013.07.03 02:21:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote: You think you can adapt? Let me know how it goes when you face Proto Duvolle ARs with 1-2 Complex Damage mods and poficiency Lv5 AND YOU CANT RUN AWAY BECAUSE YOU ARE A TURTLE.
:3
BTW yeah im salty since i have my 7.5 mill dumped into scout....Good thing my last mil was spent towards cal logi, and this week is Triple SP week HEHE....
Yeah, I think I can hold on a while longer.
I've melted enough times to duvolles and imperial scrambler rifles w/ damage mods to know I can only take two shots.... I've learned long ago that to be seen = bad. To charge head on = bad. To get hit = bad.
Don't get me wrong, I die.... a lot. But then again, killing a proto scrub who isn't around their teammates for a revive feels oh, so good. So good..... it's worth dying 10 times a match, at 6k a suit....
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KING CHECKMATE
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
148
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Posted - 2013.07.03 02:23:00 -
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Matticus Monk wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote: You think you can adapt? Let me know how it goes when you face Proto Duvolle ARs with 1-2 Complex Damage mods and poficiency Lv5 AND YOU CANT RUN AWAY BECAUSE YOU ARE A TURTLE.
:3
BTW yeah im salty since i have my 7.5 mill dumped into scout....Good thing my last mil was spent towards cal logi, and this week is Triple SP week HEHE....
Yeah, I think I can hold on a while longer. ;) I've melted enough times to duvolles and imperial scrambler rifles w/ damage mods to know I can only take two shots.... I've learned long ago that to be seen = bad. To charge head on = bad. To get hit = bad. Don't get me wrong, I die.... a lot. But then again, killing a proto scrub who isn't around their teammates for a revive feels oh, so good. So good..... it's worth dying 10 times a match, at 6k a suit....
well its 10 times of feeling bad agains 1 time of feeling good. That math doesnt work for me....
BTW it might be fun for you, but my scout suit costs 130k ISK, and im not gonna be spending that much cash in something that doesnt work. I prefer using militia tanks than playing proto scout now... |
Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
135
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Posted - 2013.07.03 02:27:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Matticus Monk wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote: You think you can adapt? Let me know how it goes when you face Proto Duvolle ARs with 1-2 Complex Damage mods and poficiency Lv5 AND YOU CANT RUN AWAY BECAUSE YOU ARE A TURTLE.
:3
BTW yeah im salty since i have my 7.5 mill dumped into scout....Good thing my last mil was spent towards cal logi, and this week is Triple SP week HEHE....
Yeah, I think I can hold on a while longer. ;) I've melted enough times to duvolles and imperial scrambler rifles w/ damage mods to know I can only take two shots.... I've learned long ago that to be seen = bad. To charge head on = bad. To get hit = bad. Don't get me wrong, I die.... a lot. But then again, killing a proto scrub who isn't around their teammates for a revive feels oh, so good. So good..... it's worth dying 10 times a match, at 6k a suit.... well its 10 times of feeling bad agains 1 time of feeling good. That math doesnt work for me.... BTW it might be fun for you, but my scout suit costs 130k ISK, and im not gonna be spending that much cash in something that doesnt work. I prefer using militia tanks than playing proto scout now...
I hear you - if I was running proto it would be a major headache and a bit more stressful.... and I concede that if I was in PC I may need to have a medium build on the side if I couldn't make the scout work effectively in such an environment. But for my playstyle..... scouts all the way.
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zzZaXxx
The Exemplars Top Men.
38
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Posted - 2013.07.03 02:44:00 -
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Any thoughts on Minmatar Logi performing the scout's role perhaps a little better than the scout (if hacking is a priority)?
With a Complex Kinetic Catalyzer, Minmatar proto logi's sprint is equal to scout without it. Plus min logi is able ton++ fit 2 Complex DMs, 2 Complex SEs, Complex Profile Dampener, 2 Complex Ferroscale Plating, Flux grenades (for Remote Explosives), Nanohive, Core Flaylock, and one or two more equipment (i.e. remote explosives or active scanner). It also has the 5hp/s passive rep and hacking bonus. It's scan profile is lower than proto scout's and it has about 250 shields, 305 armor (upgrade skills to 3). Which one does the scout's job better?
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Krom Ganesh
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
49
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Posted - 2013.07.03 02:49:00 -
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Sollemnis Aelinos wrote:cloaking module= problem solved
But the cal logis will just add them to their fits as well |
Sollemnis Aelinos
89th Infantry Division
50
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Posted - 2013.07.03 02:52:00 -
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Krom Ganesh wrote:Sollemnis Aelinos wrote:cloaking module= problem solved But the cal logis will just add them to their fits as well
well hopefully ccp would be smart enough to make bonuses for scouts who uses them.
though to be honest, it would be more fair to the scouts if they were exclusive to that class only, it would be kinda funny to see a heavy stalking around with a forge gun with cloaking activated |
Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
345
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Posted - 2013.07.03 03:08:00 -
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I feel pain when I look opon my scout, remembering times when we were known as 'op' she has been neglected and beaten yet she survives.
One day the scout will rise again but until that day I shall continue to stand tall against the hurricane of assault 514. |
Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
173
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Posted - 2013.07.03 03:11:00 -
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[quote=Sinboto Simmons... but until that day I shall continue to stand tall against the hurricane of assault 514.[/quote]
Stand strong, brave Sinboto.
Your scoutly brothers are behind you, though they often wield knives .
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KING CHECKMATE
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
149
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Posted - 2013.07.03 03:12:00 -
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Sollemnis Aelinos wrote:cloaking module= problem solved
Until then... |
Zero Pryor
Gespenster Kompanie Villore Accords
0
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Posted - 2013.07.03 04:29:00 -
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I don't see what the problem is, I'm better than I was before now that the hit detection is better. And I don't feel like I'm slower or dying any faster either. But this might be because I run a proto scout with two complex speed mods... |
Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
136
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Posted - 2013.07.03 11:48:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:Any thoughts on Minmatar Logi performing the scout's role perhaps a little better than the scout (if hacking is a priority)?
With a Complex Kinetic Catalyzer, Minmatar proto logi's sprint is equal to scout without it. Plus min logi is able ton++ fit 2 Complex DMs, 2 Complex SEs, Complex Profile Dampener, 2 Complex Ferroscale Plating, Flux grenades (for Remote Explosives), Nanohive, Core Flaylock, and one or two more equipment (i.e. remote explosives or active scanner). It also has the 5hp/s passive rep and hacking bonus. It's scan profile is lower than proto scout's and it has about 250 shields, 305 armor (upgrade skills to 3). Which one does the scout's job better?
I think that the Minmatar logi would give a scout a good run for the money in terms of hacking efficiency. I'd definitely swap out a plate for a stamina mod though, preferably complex as the logi stamina is pretty low and the scout is all about mobility, especially during that initial rush for objectives.
I think I'd get annoyed with the jump height, stamina (which can be overcome with a few stamina modules), lack of a sidearm and bigger hit-box but if I had to choose a medium frame suit for a scout, I'd either go Minnie assault or Minnie logi. probably logi for versatility of EQ and low slots and the hacking bonus.
I'd definitely equip an active scanner as well.
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