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Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 135	Posted - 2013.07.03 00:50:00 - [61] - Quote I've played about 4-5 games today.... I can second that for some reason scouts seem to move forward more slowly than previously, but strafe speed does seem faster as well. Additionally, while movement is across the board smoother I've also noticed some choppiness during CQC fights, but nothing unbearable. The hit detection is much improved, and it seems much easier to kill me now, as expected, but also my own hit detection seems improved. I've started to play a bit more cautiously and seem to be doing okay, with my lowest KDR in today's game of .5 (which for me, is just below my average) and a few games on the order of 1, with the highest being 8 kills / 8 deaths. From my own experience playing today I think I can adapt to this. I think the smoothness and hit detection will help CCP balance things, and now that some of this is fixed (or, improvements are being made) maybe we can see a return to higher speed levels for scouts in the future, as speed nerfs hopefully won't be needed to solve hit detection issues. I guess I can live with this. And fighting in the snow is fun. Dodging mass drivers is not. And there are a few maps where I feel like I'm fighting on dirt covered in popcorn butter... everything is this weird powdery yellow. Cool.... Alien....
Spec Ops Cipher Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 115	Posted - 2013.07.03 09:05:00 - [62] - Quote Still bad today. One good player on the enemy team can kill you every time. A duvolle Ar does 40 damage per bullet, until 50 ish metres. That's before damage mods and proficiency.
Dust Project 514 Dust Evo 514 78	Posted - 2013.07.03 09:14:00 - [63] - Quote Scouts need a speed or shield or armor or all of the above buffed. I can't play as a scout anymore without dying faster than ever before. It's completely unenjoyable.
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 410	Posted - 2013.07.03 09:22:00 - [64] - Quote Her Nibs wrote: XeroTheBigBoss wrote: Spec Ops Cipher wrote: Scouts now move slower (bug, not design I think), and are really easy to kill. I'm having trouble achieving anything in this suit atm, dying ridiculously fast as usual, but it happens every spawn. Any other scouts finding their suits a lot worse than they were yesterday? Got to used to being Barry Allen huh? Didn't think it would ever end did ya? :) This isn't DCUO and I shouldn't have to feel like I am shooting at a hero/villian using Super Speed trait. I am in a female Amarr dropsuit. Have a look at how they walk in the War Room...kinda like a robot. I lost my wiggle. OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!! Kinda of blowing it out of.... are you writing a letter to ccp?
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 410	Posted - 2013.07.03 09:27:00 - [65] - Quote I've always been a stealth scout. But Getting "caught" never meant instant death. Now getting caught behind enemy lines means lasting just long enough for the guys friends to show up, and finish me off. He ain't gonna get close to me, not with my shotty and smg. and I ain't gonna get close to him since my low HP means almost instant death. So I dodge, till his buddies show up. sucks.
The Robot Devil BetaMax. CRONOS. 501	Posted - 2013.07.03 09:31:00 - [66] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Apparently I'm looking at a 9 hour download so I can't check Wow my download only lasted about 10 minutes .
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 31	Posted - 2013.07.03 09:31:00 - [67] - Quote Well for some weird reason CCP nerfed scouts hard with uprising 1.0. And the current patch makes things even worse. Especially the Gallente Scout was hitted hard (crappy racial Bonus, Loosing a High Slot on Proto and unusable Armor mods due to high requirements) and i could go on. Its really pointless to spec into scouts right now
Synther Bix R.I.f.t 42	Posted - 2013.07.03 09:34:00 - [68] - Quote I'm not a scout but i'm posting in behalf of a scout, probably the best scout we have in our corp and he says the movement speed has changed. He even boosted his speed up to 10.12 (or something like that) and he still feels like he moves slower.
Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 227	Posted - 2013.07.03 09:36:00 - [69] - Quote Yeah.. Something is going on with my scout suit and I don-¦t like it.. Jumping is all messed up among other things..
Rogue Saint Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse 48	Posted - 2013.07.03 09:49:00 - [70] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: The Scout Registry will continue to be updated regularly. We have collected Uprising 1.1 statistics for 83 scouts. I'll keep track of exactly how hard each of us has been hit by Uprising 1.2. Plummeting statistics will make for sound debate. Not that anyone cares, but I'll quit the game before I abandon the Scout Suit and our Scout Community. I'm hoping that an upcoming "Rapid-Fire Update" makes things better for us sooner rather than later. CCP has shown us little love, but they are responsive to their player base, and I'll give 'em a fair chance before throwing in the towel. - Shotty GoBang This char (a scout) is not in the registry, but agree with Spec Ops and Shotty, my scout normally has a balanced KDR (10/10), but since the update I'm seriously going negative now (2/17 in my last match). I get that the new fall-off of guns is chewing my meagre shield/armour whilst evading/running, but there is definitely something else going on (speed?). I've been up against Shotty and Bob McCobb in my assault class char and notice I can blap those guys easier now. My scout is by no means as good as others, but its become a completely flank/hide/hack/run char without even attempting to get kills. Yes I do "feel" slower too. Please CCP, save the scout, we love our skinny suits.

Chilled Pill Pro Hic Immortalis 102	Posted - 2013.07.03 09:54:00 - [71] - Quote Will give the update a day or two more before I throw my hand in here.
Karazantor Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 39	Posted - 2013.07.03 09:54:00 - [72] - Quote Have scouts been nerfed again, in another way (a fair bit of it is ranting by one guy, but if true probably justified): https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=91396&find=unread I saw no notes on this particular 'update', so can this be confirmed/denied by CCP as something that was meant to happen?
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 711	Posted - 2013.07.03 09:57:00 - [73] - Quote Psh, you all got complacent with poor hit detection and bullets just vanishing Now that thats fixed its some huge conspiracy of them nerfing you guys and not just you having been used to the bad mechanics It works both ways, went and played some other games for a while, got used to the decent aiming, came back to Dust and seemed all I was able to do was get assists
GRIM GEAR The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 3	Posted - 2013.07.03 10:27:00 - [74] - Quote 1.2 is not that bad the only major change for scout suits is the fact that projectiles don't magically drop off and disappear anymore, which can be deadly when you're running away in a scout suit. I've also noticed if you're under fire and you run around a corner that the damage is delayed a bit as you take damage whilst you're out of sight. Also when you're stamina runs out you cant use the little bit off stamina to sprint as it replenishes. All in all +1 for ccp
Spec Ops Cipher Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 115	Posted - 2013.07.03 10:50:00 - [75] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Psh, you all got complacent with poor hit detection and bullets just vanishing Now that thats fixed its some huge conspiracy of them nerfing you guys and not just you having been used to the bad mechanics It works both ways, went and played some other games for a while, got used to the decent aiming, came back to Dust and seemed all I was able to do was get assists Assault rifles now do 110% damage up to 50m. Snipers now do 90% damage and 175% to the head, used to be 100% and 195%. Flaylocks still prettymuch 1HK scouts. WE have suffered a speed nerf, strafing is only 7% faster in scouts than assaults. We have next to no HP and all dampening skills and modules have no effect whatsoever.
OZAROW A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 46	Posted - 2013.07.03 11:20:00 - [76] - Quote Its the endurance! You can't run an jump, you can't deak n dodge, you run out of gas you get stuck standing still waiting to run again but now theirs a delay or something it's friggin horrible I'm so choked! I bought booster an played every damn day to finally get a wicked killing machine for over 20 kills a match with knives an now nothingg! I don't even think I got 10 kills in a match I barely went positive! Every weapon I have is close range except faylock thank god. Proficiency Knives -trash-proficiency shotty- crap-proto scout-paper-endurance an cat mods - crap Frigging pissed straight up!
Spec Ops Cipher Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 116	Posted - 2013.07.03 11:27:00 - [77] - Quote OZAROW wrote: Its the endurance! You can't run an jump, you can't deak n dodge, you run out of gas you get stuck standing still waiting to run again but now theirs a delay or something it's friggin horrible I'm so choked! I bought booster an played every damn day to finally get a wicked killing machine for over 20 kills a match with knives an now nothingg! I don't even think I got 10 kills in a match I barely went positive! Every weapon I have is close range except faylock thank god. Proficiency Knives -trash-proficiency shotty- crap-proto scout-paper-endurance an cat mods - crap Frigging pissed straight up! I know exactly what you mean, its more difficult to move about fluidly, we have to stop a lot more often. It's really annoying me and causing so many deaths. I'm skilling into the flaylock now, I didn't before because it is OP, but I'm pretty annoyed about being borderline useless in PC and even some pubs now.
Spec Ops Cipher Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 116	Posted - 2013.07.03 11:28:00 - [78] - Quote First post updated.
grunt party BetaMax. CRONOS. 4	Posted - 2013.07.03 16:22:00 - [79] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Psh, you all got complacent with poor hit detection and bullets just vanishing Now that thats fixed its some huge conspiracy of them nerfing you guys and not just you having been used to the bad mechanics It works both ways, went and played some other games for a while, got used to the decent aiming, came back to Dust and seemed all I was able to do was get assists just because your are good at one game doesn't mean your good at all games and will people stop bitching about poor hit detection i never had a real problem with that last build but this build i shot a heavy twice with a shotty took them down to 40 hp the next 4 shots all hit and did nothing then another shot gunner came in shot him 1st shot did nothing again 2nd killed him i also had a go with a flayloc on my alt and it wasn't splashing any one so don't say hit detection is fixed it blatlently isn't
Spec Ops Cipher Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 120	Posted - 2013.07.03 18:36:00 - [80] - Quote Temporay Fix- FLAYLOCK. Using the Aur core, I just pulled 24 - 1 running with my squad. UP + OP = OP. Flaylock needs a nerf, and scouts still need a buff. If you are a scout using a flaylock, stop for a game, use something else, then tell me how you're doing.

Bob Teller The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 9	Posted - 2013.07.03 18:56:00 - [81] - Quote Ferren Devarri wrote: Unpronounced run speed advantage Same Scan radius Lowest HP -> high chance of being 1-shotted by snipers, charge weapons, and shotguns Least number of slots Lowest fitting space No points for spotting/scanning assists No points for destroying enemy deployables Why the F would anyone run a light fit? If you want a sniper, get a caldari medium or caldari logi for more damage amps. If you want utility/support, any medium will do better If you just want to kill sh*t, get a heavy and a HMG If you want to go anywhere in a jiffy, call a free LAV If you want to stay out of the way and spot, quit. You aren't contributing. Light suits have the best run/walk/strafe speed,best stamina,best shield regen,best shield regulation,best scan precision/profile.It's not the suit that is the problem,it's that most players dont play it right.
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 52	Posted - 2013.07.03 19:08:00 - [82] - Quote Bob Teller wrote: Light suits have the best run/walk/strafe speed,best stamina,best shield regen,best shield regulation,best scan precision/profile.It's not the suit that is the problem,it's that most players dont play it right. run - not fast enough for us to get out of hot zones walk/strafe - not fast enough for us to effectively dodge fire shield regen/regulation - doesn't matter since they get wiped out in 1-2 seconds (2 seconds for someone who is a bad shot) scan precision/profile - Which would be nice if passive scan wasn't broken
Spec Ops Cipher Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 121	Posted - 2013.07.03 19:22:00 - [83] - Quote All profile dampening and passive scanning skills and modules do not work atm. Tested last build and retested yesterday, all suits scan equally well, regardless of the numbers, and can pick up anyone, regardless of dampening.
BARDAS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 31	Posted - 2013.07.03 19:24:00 - [84] - Quote Well if you are a Playstation Plus member Battlefield 3 is now FREE to download and play. Never got into it but will be taking a break from Dust to give it a try. Hopefully, something is done to fix/buff Scouts in the meantime. Toodles. http://www.joystiq.com/2013/07/01/battlefield-3-free-on-playstation-plus-this-week/
mollerz Minja Scouts 574	Posted - 2013.07.03 19:25:00 - [85] - Quote i hate when heavies get the jump on me. luckily, many of those dudes shoot as soon as they see anything moving, so it mostly gives me a chance to escape.
Aythadis Smith The Generals EoN. 29	Posted - 2013.07.03 20:41:00 - [86] - Quote Personal thought, the sprint increase and hit detection kinda hurt the scout the most. I was breaking even or going belligerent with it. Now, negative. Even if I sneak for a kill, dead before I can exit. With the sprint speed, most side to side and I can't even keep the cross hairs on it. Even with sensitivity at 100
xLTShinySidesx Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 455	Posted - 2013.07.03 21:05:00 - [87] - Quote Yep, the scout is still dead... Feels like I have about 17ehp... And now with 1.2 my suit feels slower which makes it even worse.
Aythadis Smith The Generals EoN. 29	Posted - 2013.07.03 21:41:00 - [88] - Quote Every other suit feels faster, scout feels like I'm dragging bricks and a heavy.
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 54	Posted - 2013.07.03 21:42:00 - [89] - Quote Aythadis Smith wrote: I was breaking even or going belligerent with it. Now, negative. Ironically enough, my k/dr is going to be doing better now. I've stopped my usual scout activities of running behind enemy lines, dropping uplinks, and hacking stuff and transitioned to being a full-time sniper.
Niuvo The Phoenix Federation 55	Posted - 2013.07.03 22:02:00 - [90] - Quote The best thing now is to adapt, take off the scanning modules and run something else. Play even more carefully. I'm doing the same as a scout, meaning there hasn't been an improvement in mechanics. Please adapt with the light frame/scout.



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