DUST Search - K/DR vs W/LR

hooc roht wrote:

KOBLAKA1 wrote:

the problem with dividing by SP is that unless you stop gaining it you will eventually reach almost zero which is inherently flawed
edit: division

agreed.

i guess after 10 million SP you should just use 10 million.

So if you have 15 million then just use 10

k/d / 10

also use how much SP you have spent.

If you have 5 million SP spent but have earned 6 million use 5 not 6.

The point of the ratio is negate any SP driven uber powers you have in a Kill per Death ratio.

You don't want to count those kills where a better player gets killed by you simply because you have more health and cause more damage do you?

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Seriously W/L or K/D as a better indicator?

Both are related and both are manipulable. If they have one that is high but another low then you should suspect something funny is going on.

If you see someone with a very high W/L but a low K/D it could mean they are good at sacrifice-winning...if you are looking for good squad/team member i would play a few matches with him and see what is up.

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Colonel Killar DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY 67	Posted - 2013.07.01 22:20:00 - [1] - Quote Which do you think is more important and why?
hooc roht Deep Space Republic 156	Posted - 2013.07.01 22:23:00 - [2] - Quote Colonel Killar wrote: Which do you think is more important and why? neither K/D / SP is the most important. Or W/L / SP which ever.
Rogatien Merc Ill Omens EoN. 207	Posted - 2013.07.01 22:24:00 - [3] - Quote hooc roht wrote: Colonel Killar wrote: Which do you think is more important and why? neither K/D / SP is the most important. Or W/L / SP which ever. You... suck at math.
KOBLAKA1 Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 158	Posted - 2013.07.01 22:26:00 - [4] - Quote the problem with dividing by SP is that unless you stop gaining it you will eventually reach almost zero which is inherently flawed edit: division
Colonel Killar DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY 68	Posted - 2013.07.01 22:42:00 - [5] - Quote hooc roht wrote: Colonel Killar wrote: Which do you think is more important and why? neither K/D / SP is the most important. Or W/L / SP which ever. Shut up hooc or i'll go all local chat on your candyass
Colonel Killar DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY 68	Posted - 2013.07.01 22:43:00 - [6] - Quote Seriously W/L or K/D as a better indicator?
hooc roht Deep Space Republic 157	Posted - 2013.07.01 22:47:00 - [7] - Quote KOBLAKA1 wrote: the problem with dividing by SP is that unless you stop gaining it you will eventually reach almost zero which is inherently flawed edit: division agreed. i guess after 10 million SP you should just use 10 million. So if you have 15 million then just use 10 k/d / 10 also use how much SP you have spent. If you have 5 million SP spent but have earned 6 million use 5 not 6. The point of the ratio is negate any SP driven uber powers you have in a Kill per Death ratio. You don't want to count those kills where a better player gets killed by you simply because you have more health and cause more damage do you?
Byozuma Kegawa Shining Flame Amarr Empire 137	Posted - 2013.07.01 22:53:00 - [8] - Quote Wins, losses, kills, deaths... who cares. What counts the most is WP. You could go 0-10 and lose but there's no saying you didn't try to win if your WP is 700+. You did all you could and that's all anyone can ask.
Rogatien Merc Ill Omens EoN. 209	Posted - 2013.07.01 22:59:00 - [9] - Quote hooc roht wrote: You don't want to count those kills where a better player gets killed by you simply because you have more health and cause more damage do you? Actually, I do. Cuz I spent my SP wisely and have played the game long enough to grind that SP. Cuz that's how the game works. Welcome to New Eden: Where more than your twitch skill matters. /shrug-for-honesty Your anti-SP agenda is really... weird... It's like going into some MMO and tell people that "they ain't ****... they didn't do that epic dungeon with a level 1 character they are such noobs" ... learn how the game works. After all, it's just a game.
Rogatien Merc Ill Omens EoN. 209	Posted - 2013.07.01 23:01:00 - [10] - Quote hooc roht wrote: KOBLAKA1 wrote: the problem with dividing by SP is that unless you stop gaining it you will eventually reach almost zero which is inherently flawed edit: division agreed. i guess after 10 million SP you should just use 10 million. So if you have 15 million then just use 10 k/d / 10 also use how much SP you have spent. If you have 5 million SP spent but have earned 6 million use 5 not 6. The point of the ratio is negate any SP driven uber powers you have in a Kill per Death ratio. You don't want to count those kills where a better player gets killed by you simply because you have more health and cause more damage do you? Quote: Seriously W/L or K/D as a better indicator? Both are related and both are manipulable. If they have one that is high but another low then you should suspect something funny is going on. If you see someone with a very high W/L but a low K/D it could mean they are good at sacrifice-winning...if you are looking for good squad/team member i would play a few matches with him and see what is up. High K/d low W/L = likely a lone wolf or squads with noobs. High W/L low K/D = likely a decent team support player or runs with people better than him.

Rogatien Merc Ill Omens EoN. 209	Posted - 2013.07.01 23:02:00 - [11] - Quote Byozuma Kegawa wrote: Wins, losses, kills, deaths... who cares. What counts the most is WP. You could go 0-10 and lose but there's no saying you didn't try to win if your WP is 700+. You did all you could and that's all anyone can ask. That said, you should really be learning to adjust tactics and trying to NOT die10 times... know when to GTFO... just sayin...
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 173	Posted - 2013.07.01 23:04:00 - [12] - Quote ISK/WP/D Ks are only significant to grunts.
Medic 1879 Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION 499	Posted - 2013.07.01 23:06:00 - [13] - Quote Most of it is pretty meaningless, W/L ratio is useful but playing solo has a tendency to throw you into a match that ends in defeat the second you arrive from time to time adding losses for battles unfought. (Oddly enough I have never jumped into a battle with 5 seconds left on the winning side for some reason.) K/D all well and good but there was a period of a few months where K/D wasn't tracked so people may have a k/d of say 3.5 but for those few months were regularly going 20+ kills 0 deaths or vise versa. Again throwing off the count. WP wasn't tracked either for a while. SP. Passive and amount of boosters determines SP total so boosters throws off the count. Also AFK'ing improves SP but requires no skill. I think the best indicator would have been WP/D if both had been counted before recently, this shows how much you actually get done per death. Good killers will have a high WP/D ratio as will good logi's however this may favour logi's over killers as they have a greater potential for WP also poor DS pilots who can be useful get little to no WP so would appear to be bad players on this scale when they might not be. Also as in every multi player game ever, Boosters (players boosting not SP boosters that is.) will always have amazing stats but usually terribad skills. Therefore the best indicator of skill is playing with someone and observing them.
Thumb Green THE STAR BORN Dark Taboo 162	Posted - 2013.07.01 23:08:00 - [14] - Quote I would say W/LR but with the game stacking teams and throwing people into matches that are almost over; W/LR is pretty much meaningless. With that said I would agree with Byozuma Kegawa that WP's is the most important but even that isn't completely accurate as that too can be affected by the game stacking teams & putting people in matches that are almost over. So, I'm forced to the conclusion that all the stats that the game tracks are useless.
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 717	Posted - 2013.07.01 23:36:00 - [15] - Quote WP's can be generated from both useful and useless actions, but are easily exploitable if you know how to go about it. Therefore attaining a large amount of WP's does not "prove" anything about your actual contribution, nor does it disprove anything. Kills directly disrupt the enemies efforts and directly lead towards victory. They are the only way to prove you were useful.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1769	Posted - 2013.07.01 23:41:00 - [16] - Quote They are both equally unimportant.

CCP Nullarbor C C P C C P Alliance 1599	Posted - 2013.07.01 23:50:00 - [17] - Quote WIN / ISK ratio. Get the job done with the best margins, it's just good business.

Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 116	Posted - 2013.07.01 23:57:00 - [18] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: WIN / ISK ratio. Get the job done with the best margins, it's just good business. Less Win/ISK More ISK Gain/ISK Lost But if your a CEO, I might say W/L
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 2110	Posted - 2013.07.01 23:58:00 - [19] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: WIN / ISK ratio. Get the job done with the best margins, it's just good business. This being an in game stat would be nice
5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak4 Expert Intervention Caldari State 10	Posted - 2013.07.01 23:59:00 - [20] - Quote Ratio does not matter. I go for MAXIMUM KILL (I usually top the chart with most kill and most death)

BMSTUBBY KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 293	Posted - 2013.07.01 23:59:00 - [21] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: WIN / ISK ratio. Get the job done with the best margins, it's just good business. AFK for the win, then.
Tharak Meuridiar The Empyrean Agency 107	Posted - 2013.07.02 00:07:00 - [22] - Quote WP / match No dynamic is perfect though. As logi it's possible to get a lot of WP without contributing a great deal and with dropships you can contribute a great deal without getting many WP. For ambush the best measure is (Kills - Deaths) / Match. So 20 kills and 10 deaths is far better than 3 kills and 0 deaths. And the ambushes played during the last week are far more important than those played since the character was made.

CCP Nullarbor C C P C C P Alliance 1607	Posted - 2013.07.02 00:08:00 - [23] - Quote BMSTUBBY wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: WIN / ISK ratio. Get the job done with the best margins, it's just good business. AFK for the win, then. touche.

Ofelia Softly Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2013.07.02 00:29:00 - [24] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: WIN / ISK ratio. Get the job done with the best margins, it's just good business. Which means if you die even once in an all proto fit you might as well quit the match.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 2110	Posted - 2013.07.02 00:30:00 - [25] - Quote Ofelia Softly wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: WIN / ISK ratio. Get the job done with the best margins, it's just good business. Which means if you die even once in an all proto fit you might as well quit the match. And not get paid at all? That's just stupid...
Ofelia Softly Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2013.07.02 00:31:00 - [26] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: Ofelia Softly wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: WIN / ISK ratio. Get the job done with the best margins, it's just good business. Which means if you die even once in an all proto fit you might as well quit the match. And not get paid at all? That's just stupid... Its more respectable than AFK'ing the rest of the match.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 2110	Posted - 2013.07.02 00:36:00 - [27] - Quote I simply don't see your logic behind it. the negative ISK would still be there, so now you're just stacking -ISK, while not gaining any wins, so when you do gain a win it's now 1W/ 1/-1000ISK. That's dumb, why don't you just play in a starter fit?
hooc roht Deep Space Republic 157	Posted - 2013.07.02 00:36:00 - [28] - Quote CCP Nullarbor wrote: WIN / ISK ratio. Get the job done with the best margins, it's just good business. .... Soooo.... Earning the least amount of ISK per win gets you a bigger number..... There really is truth when people say Devs don't even play their own game.
Major Lee High Battle Response Organizations 17	Posted - 2013.07.02 01:31:00 - [29] - Quote Stats are bogus. Not only were they broke for months, but people have abused things they can't do anymore etc. Unless they add in a Average from the last X amount of games/X amount of days they are just smoke screens and do not show the true potential of a player.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 2118	Posted - 2013.07.02 01:47:00 - [30] - Quote hooc roht wrote: CCP Nullarbor wrote: WIN / ISK ratio. Get the job done with the best margins, it's just good business. .... Soooo.... Earning the least amount of ISK per win gets you a bigger number..... There really is truth when people say Devs don't even play their own game. You forgot to count ISK lost genius, winning a 100 ISK while losing a 200 ISK protosuit puts you in the negatives.



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