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zzZaXxx
The Exemplars
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Posted - 2013.07.01 00:07:00 -
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With just the standard active scanner I can see who and what is in the 90 degree, 100 meter area ahead of me (other than proto scouts and those using sensor dampeners). That intel is not only fun to see but can very useful, whether attacking or defending a position. And that's just the standard one. The proto level has an interesting variety of options, such as one that scans at 28dB and keeps enemies marked for 25 seconds! And another one that scans to 200 meters at a 90 degree angle and marks for 8 seconds! And they give this intel to your whole squad!
These are extrememly useful! Not to mention fun to use. Yet I've only been tagged by one once in all the times I've played. Why don't people use them more? I've just been using one for a day and already find it to be invaluable. |
Balzich Rotaine
Rotaine Shipping Inc
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Posted - 2013.07.01 00:12:00 -
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No one uses it Because it is a support item and most people only care about their kd. |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.01 00:13:00 -
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Balzich Rotaine wrote:No one uses it Because it is a support item and most people only care about their kd.
Pretty much this. Why help the team when helping yourself helps you out so much more? |
zzZaXxx
The Exemplars
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Posted - 2013.07.01 00:14:00 -
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Balzich Rotaine wrote:No one uses it Because it is a support item and most people only care about their kd.
Wow I think you nailed it. Such a shame. They need to give teams some kind of incentive to win matches (and drawback to not winning.) |
Mac Dac
Wraith Shadow Guards
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Posted - 2013.07.01 00:16:00 -
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most people worry more about survivibility in a fire fight rather then be hidden from scanners. So the only people who use them are mainly support role types and sneaky scouts. |
Azura Sakura
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
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Posted - 2013.07.01 00:18:00 -
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Balzich Rotaine wrote:No one uses it Because it is a support item and most people only care about their kd.
No. No one uses it because you get no WP for using it. |
zzZaXxx
The Exemplars
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Posted - 2013.07.01 00:20:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Balzich Rotaine wrote:No one uses it Because it is a support item and most people only care about their kd. Pretty much this. Why help the team when helping yourself helps you out so much more?
Right! You get more SP, ISK, and get higher on your leaderboards by focusing on KDR at the expense of everything else. Of course nanohives, injectors, and links give you warpoints too, but the scanner doesn't. So it's odd man out.
If you care about your team winning (and you're talking to your squadmates, who are getting the intel) you'll strongly consider using it though. Another example of why there needs to be some incentive to winning matches. |
Poplo Furuya
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.01 00:21:00 -
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They're wonderful pieces of kit. The T3 Quantum is a quick wide area scan at 36dB that tags for 15 seconds.
Main issue is that there's some rounds it doesn't work at all. Godzilla could be wrecking up the place 10 feet away and it wouldn't be able to scan him.
Only about a fifth of the time though. Outside of those instances it's golden. Still trying to nail down a cause for it but so far not been able to find anything I can begin to link to it fizzling. |
LuckyLuke Wargan
HavoK Core
RISE of LEGION
184
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Posted - 2013.07.01 00:21:00 -
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The Swarm launcher has a similar stigma too, depite the fact that advance levels can be very deadly... I miss my AV fit... |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
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Posted - 2013.07.01 00:21:00 -
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Because everything you can see with your scanner I can see with my eyes unassisted
Now if it lit up enemies like the enemy locator grenade in Metal Gear it would be drastically more useful |
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zzZaXxx
The Exemplars
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Posted - 2013.07.01 00:22:00 -
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Azura Sakura wrote:Balzich Rotaine wrote:No one uses it Because it is a support item and most people only care about their kd. No. No one uses it because you get no WP for using it.
Unbelievable that so much of the player base ignores it because they're fixated on WP like pavlovian dogs. |
Mac Dac
Wraith Shadow Guards
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Posted - 2013.07.01 00:23:00 -
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Azura Sakura wrote:Balzich Rotaine wrote:No one uses it Because it is a support item and most people only care about their kd. No. No one uses it because you get no WP for using it.
which pretty much means its not very benefitcial to the grind only for real support oriented players. |
zzZaXxx
The Exemplars
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Posted - 2013.07.01 00:26:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Because everything you can see with your scanner I can see with my eyes unassisted
Now if it lit up enemies like the enemy locator grenade in Metal Gear it would be drastically more useful
No offense but you're either full of **** or have no idea what you're talking about. :) You can't see through walls or onto roofs and you cant make every enemy in range show up as a red dot on the minimap and a red chevron on the screen. |
Mac Dac
Wraith Shadow Guards
84
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Posted - 2013.07.01 00:28:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Because everything you can see with your scanner I can see with my eyes unassisted
Now if it lit up enemies like the enemy locator grenade in Metal Gear it would be drastically more useful
you can scan through walls and always see that player for the set time. |
Poplo Furuya
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
116
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Posted - 2013.07.01 00:31:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Because everything you can see with your scanner I can see with my eyes unassisted
Now if it lit up enemies like the enemy locator grenade in Metal Gear it would be drastically more useful
Don't need LoS to scan. 100m range at 60-¦ covers a massive amount of ground, lights up enemies on both radar and HUD via chevrons for the duration.
You're not too far away from claiming wall hacks have no practical utility. |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
399
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Posted - 2013.07.01 00:32:00 -
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As a stealth scout I don't approve of this thread. |
zzZaXxx
The Exemplars
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Posted - 2013.07.01 00:32:00 -
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Mac Dac wrote:Azura Sakura wrote:Balzich Rotaine wrote:No one uses it Because it is a support item and most people only care about their kd. No. No one uses it because you get no WP for using it. which pretty much means its not very benefitcial to the grind only for real support oriented players.
True. It take so damn long to get to that proto suit you're dreaming of (especially without boosters) that it's hard to fault players for focusing on getting maxing their WP. This is an FPS, not EVE. It shouldn't take so much grind to get to a point where you've got the fit you want and can compete on an even plane with high SP players. Even with boosters it takes too long. Hopefully they'll at least give us another 3x SP weekend soon, so newbros have a chance to catch up some. |
zzZaXxx
The Exemplars
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Posted - 2013.07.01 00:33:00 -
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Surt gods end wrote:As a stealth scout I don't approve of this thread.
LOL right? Even though I think the game would be a lot more interesting with more AS use, the silver lining is that until then I'll have the advantage. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
5511
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Posted - 2013.07.01 00:34:00 -
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I don't like how few equipment slots I have left though these days. |
TEBOW BAGGINS
Greatness Achieved Through Training
EoN.
634
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Posted - 2013.07.01 00:36:00 -
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i fit a vehicle active scanner, or 2, on my "pa'TROLL car" |
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zzZaXxx
The Exemplars
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Posted - 2013.07.01 00:37:00 -
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Mac Dac wrote:most people worry more about survivibility in a fire fight rather then be hidden from scanners. So the only people who use them are mainly support role types and sneaky scouts.
Knowing where the enemy is attacking from and how many there are, not to mention tracking them as they move, is very important for survivability. |
Poplo Furuya
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
116
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Posted - 2013.07.01 00:38:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I don't like how few equipment slots I have left though these days.
Heh, know what you mean. If there are so many useful options that 4 equipment slots feels limited it's a good thing though.
Can't wait for ewar. Might fall into the domain of scouts more than logis, though. |
Azura Sakura
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
161
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Posted - 2013.07.01 00:38:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:Mac Dac wrote:most people worry more about survivibility in a fire fight rather then be hidden from scanners. So the only people who use them are mainly support role types and sneaky scouts. Knowing where the enemy is attacking from and how many there are, not to mention tracking them as they move, is very important for survivability.
Yeah I totally agree with you. |
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Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.01 00:39:00 -
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I actually use them on a couple of my scout fits
I scan before I hack but theres a 50% chance it doesnt work in skirmish
but I do see myself going to advanced lvl with them
when the bugs are worked out |
negative49er
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
32
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Posted - 2013.07.01 00:42:00 -
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the only reason i can't use it is because of the requirements
I'm in a mimnatar suit and it got low pg and cpu
want to use it |
Bones McGavins
TacoCat Industries
342
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Posted - 2013.07.01 00:44:00 -
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Nobody uses it because its buggy and unreliable. I think it is 100% broke in Skirmish. It seems to work fine in Ambush though.
But yeah, anyone who used it likely gave up after the 10th time a heavy popped around the corner they just scanned. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
691
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Posted - 2013.07.01 00:46:00 -
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Poplo Furuya wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Because everything you can see with your scanner I can see with my eyes unassisted
Now if it lit up enemies like the enemy locator grenade in Metal Gear it would be drastically more useful Don't need LoS to scan. 100m range at 60-¦ covers a massive amount of ground, lights up enemies on both radar and HUD via chevrons for the duration. You're not too far away from claiming wall hacks have no practical utility.
Yeah, and floating your cross hairs over an enemy gives the same effect even through walls
Its a cool piece of gear but it severely lacks when you can get the same effect without it |
Arx Ardashir
Imperium Aeternum
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Posted - 2013.07.01 00:47:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:
Unbelievable that so much of the player base ignores it because they're fixated on WP like pavlovian dogs.
How else are my minions going to earn the recruiter awards for me? |
zzZaXxx
The Exemplars
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Posted - 2013.07.01 00:48:00 -
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negative49er wrote:the only reason i can't use it is because of the requirements
I'm in a mimnatar suit and it got low pg and cpu
want to use it
Yeah it requires a commitment of resources, similar to drop uplinks, and it can be a pain to keep switching back to it via the radial menu. Imagine if CCP enabled us to access one equipment via weapon switch though! You could rapidly switch to it with no chance of accidentally selecting something else and keep using it at regular intervals. |
Doc Noah
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
164
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Posted - 2013.07.01 00:51:00 -
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I prefer not to rely on a piece of technology. We're given two pairs of eyes and ears, use it. |
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